Schengen possible relaxation rules (1 Viewer)

[flatpackchicken]

Good news possibly !!!!!! Maybe next year schengen will not be for us so we can stay longer for 6 months again and campsites can have many more UK campers during October November December too fingers crossed Hope Portugal does this too

 

[SpeedyDux]

Decision down to Brussels ... hmmm ... what chance that Spain will be allowed to have an exception. Nope, didn't think so.

 

[Al n Val]

never say never

and I personally think whatever Brussels decides, Spain will ultimately do what they want and allow us UK tourists to stay longer, its the economy they're thinking about

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[EuroTrotters]

never say never

and I personally think whatever Brussels decides, Spain will ultimately do what they want and allow us UK tourists to stay longer, its the economy they're thinking about

Yes, if Brussels say no, Spain will consider an alternative.

Just listening to a discussion on the radio in Spain.

 

[EuroTrotters]

Well it’s too far and warm for the Scottish, wales is more like a county of England anyway, and the Irish just go from Dublin so no one knows anyway!

Oh yes they do

 

[jumartoo]

A bit of wishful thinking here.

It's a Schengen rule, nothing to do with the EU (Brussels). The UK wasn't ruled by the 90/1980 was it??
(And, we, resident in Spain, would also benefit if it changed, but we're not holding our breath.)

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[Brains]

Decision down to Brussels ... hmmm ... what chance that Spain will be allowed to have an exception. Nope, didn't think so.

If Brussels can see it makes financial sense, then they may well go for it.
How about a 6 month EU visa for £50 ?

There are several issues: Will the entry be age related, should this be for the snowbirds only ?
(Earn no money, pay no tax)

One BIG issue will be if the UK can have 6 month visa's then why can't Ozzies or Yanks or Albanians etc. have them as well.?

Will it permit UK twenty-somethings to get a 6 month visa and do as they did before getting jobs pulling pints on the beach or cleaning ski chalets ?

There is also the other BIG issue, if the EU lets in the UK for a 6 month visa, what is the UK going to permit EU citizens to do in return ?

The EU needs to consider the overall picture, not just the future of a few hundred thousand extra visitors to the beaches of Spain

 

[EuroTrotters]

Since September. We have not had our passports scanned in Spain. Ports or airports.

What is the situation in Other EU countries ? Anyone ?

 

[jumartoo]

If Brussels can see it makes financial sense, then they may well go for it.
How about a 6 month EU visa for £50 ?

There are several issues: Will the entry be age related, should this be for the snowbirds only ?
(Earn no money, pay no tax)

One BIG issue will be if the UK can have 6 month visa's then why can't Ozzies or Yanks or Albanians etc. have them as well.?

Will it permit UK twenty-somethings to get a 6 month visa and do as they did before getting jobs pulling pints on the beach or cleaning ski chalets ?

There is also the other BIG issue, if the EU lets in the UK for a 6 month visa, what is the UK going to permit EU citizens to do in return ?

The EU needs to consider the overall picture, not just the future of a few hundred thousand extra visitors to the beaches of Spain

I reiterate, it's nothing to do with the EU (Brussels).

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[Brains]

I reiterate, it's nothing to do with the EU (Brussels).

Spanish tourism minister Fernando Valdes seems to think its down to what Brussels says, not Madrid.

 

[Al n Val]

Yes, if Brussels say no, Spain will consider an alternative.

Just listening to a discussion on the radio in Spain.

if you can please let us know what the outcome of that discussion was i'd appreciate it

my tunnel is booked for jan 8th and no return one as yet

thanks Al

 

[Arzedby]

If Brussels can see it makes financial sense, then they may well go for it.
How about a 6 month EU visa for £50 ?

There are several issues: Will the entry be age related, should this be for the snowbirds only ?
(Earn no money, pay no tax)

One BIG issue will be if the UK can have 6 month visa's then why can't Ozzies or Yanks or Albanians etc. have them as well.?

Will it permit UK twenty-somethings to get a 6 month visa and do as they did before getting jobs pulling pints on the beach or cleaning ski chalets ?

There is also the other BIG issue, if the EU lets in the UK for a 6 month visa, what is the UK going to permit EU citizens to do in return ?

The EU needs to consider the overall picture, not just the future of a few hundred thousand extra visitors to the beaches of Spain

As I understand it. EU visitors to UK do not need a visa and can stay for up to 6 months. None of this 90/180 malarkey. The 6 months I believe runs from each date of entry into the UK. I guess the UK is not spending time and energy trying to make things difficult so as to punish the EU. The easy thing for the EU to do would be to reciprocate, but then, as we have been told so often " leaving the EU must have consequences ".

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[Al n Val]

TBH with France already doing a 180 day tourist visa i'm shocked that Spain haven't jumped on the bandwagon before now.

But thinking about it they don't need to, because we cross into France, hightail it down to Spain and Portugal and no one knows where we are, then just come back, it doesn't interfere with the 90 days Shenghen doodah either.

 

[jumartoo]

Spanish tourism minister Fernando Valdes seems to think its down to what Brussels says, not Madrid.

It's nothing to do with Madrid, or Brussels, unless Spain pulls out of being in Schengen.

 

[EuroTrotters]

if you can please let us know what the outcome of that discussion was i'd appreciate it

my tunnel is booked for jan 8th and no return one as yet

thanks Al

It’s going to take time !

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[nicholsong]

I reiterate, it's nothing to do with the EU (Brussels).

You are correct in strict legal terms. I do not know the voting rules for Schengen.

Can countries that only voluntarily joined Schengen, i.e. those which were already EU Members before Schengen existed, not those who had to join when joining the EU under accession rules, and those that are non-EU like Norway, out vote the other members?

I also do not know who are the personnel actually administrating Schengen rules. It appears to an outsider that the Commission think they control Schengen.

 

[jumartoo]

As I understand it. EU visitors to UK do not need a visa and can stay for up to 6 months. None of this 90/180 malarkey. The 6 months I believe runs from each date of entry into the UK. I guess the UK is not spending time and energy trying to make things difficult so as to punish the EU. The easy thing for the EU to do would be to reciprocate, but then, as we have been told so often " leaving the EU must have consequences ".

That's becaise the UK could ALWAYS make its own rules, not being in Schengen.

 

[The Wino]

If Brussels can see it makes financial sense, then they may well go for it.
How about a 6 month EU visa for £50 ?

There are several issues: Will the entry be age related, should this be for the snowbirds only ?
(Earn no money, pay no tax)

One BIG issue will be if the UK can have 6 month visa's then why can't Ozzies or Yanks or Albanians etc. have them as well.?

Will it permit UK twenty-somethings to get a 6 month visa and do as they did before getting jobs pulling pints on the beach or cleaning ski chalets ?

There is also the other BIG issue, if the EU lets in the UK for a 6 month visa, what is the UK going to permit EU citizens to do in return ?

The EU needs to consider the overall picture, not just the future of a few hundred thousand extra visitors to the beaches of Spain

Why would they let in Brits to work in bars or work in ski chalets when we don't allow people from the EU to do the same here? The tourism visa would be a different matter as we allow 180 days here it's just making it reciprocal.

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[Solwaybuggier]

If this were to happen, I can’t see how it would help those of us who by choice travel to Spain through France?

 

[nicholsong]

It's nothing to do with Madrid, or Brussels, unless Spain pulls out of being in Schengen.

Judith

Your post and my #20 overlapped.

My understanding is that the original members of the EU, pre-Schengen joined voluntarily, unlike new members who had to sign up to Schengen to get EU access.

It would seem that an 'Old' member could leave Schengen.

However that member would cause a Schengen border, e.g. with France.

Geoff

 

[jumartoo]

You are correct in strict legal terms. I do not know the voting rules for Schengen.

Can countries that only voluntarily joined Schengen, i.e. those which were already EU Members before Schengen existed, not those who had to join when joining the EU under accession rules, and those that are non-EU like Norway, out vote the other members?

I also do not know who are the personnel actually administrating Schengen rules. It appears to an outsider that the Commission think they control Schengen.

No, I think that people think that the "Commission" control Schengen.

I think we may have had another crossover!

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[Al n Val]

If this were to happen, I can’t see how it would help those of us who by choice travel to Spain through France?

See my post 17

France have already given us permission to do exactly that, albeit at a cost of around 80 quid. They allow us to enter France and disappear for 9 months and stamp our passports when we leave via France

For me its worth it but i'd rather not have to pay anything tbh

 

[EuroTrotters]

See my post 17

France have already given us permission to do exactly that, albeit at a cost of around 80 quid. They allow us to enter France and disappear for 9 months and stamp our passports when we leave via France

For me its worth it but i'd rather not have to pay anything tbh

Very informative post you made and very useful .

 

[nicholsong]

No, I think that people think that the "Commission" control Schengen.

I think we may have had another crossover!

Or the Commission would like the people to think that - and maybe they have achieved that.

I think we are on the same wavelength.

The Commission would also like the EU Parliament to think the same as them.

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[Solwaybuggier]

See my post 17

France have already given us permission to do exactly that, albeit at a cost of around 80 quid. They allow us to enter France and disappear for 9 months and stamp our passports when we leave via France

For me its worth it but i'd rather not have to pay anything tbh

If France already has a similar visa scheme to the one Spain is now wanting, then surely either the EU/Brussels has approved or accepted it, or the French government have decided they don’t need approval? Or is the key difference that Spain is talking about indefinite stays?

 

[Shrimp]

Maybe if Spain gets a favourable nod some of the other countries will follow.
Cross everything and hope!

 

[jumartoo]

If France already has a similar visa scheme to the one Spain is now wanting, then surely either the EU/Brussels has approved or accepted it, or the French government have decided they don’t need approval? Or is the key difference that Spain is talking about indefinite stays?

France has always had a visa, as far as I'm aware. Spain, also as far as I'm aware, aren't yet talking about such a visa.

I may have missed something, but the latest I read from the Hugh Elliott, from the British embassy in Madrid, was that nothing is being discussed.

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[Al n Val]

If France already has a similar visa scheme to the one Spain is now wanting, then surely either the EU/Brussels has approved or accepted it, or the French government have decided they don’t need approval? Or is the key difference that Spain is talking about indefinite stays?

Not sure what France or whoever decided to do, its in our favour so thats all that matters to me tbh

it's a step forward and thats important to us, I said nearly 2 years ago that Spain are/would be missing our income and got shot down saying that don't need us, it seems they do, or discussions like what are happening now in Spain would not be taking place

Come on Spain I say, its better for you and me so i'm all over this now

 

[jumartoo]

Not sure what France or whoever decided to do, its in our favour so thats all that maters to me tbh

it's a step forward and thats important to us, I said nearly 2 years ago that Spain are/would be missing our income and got shot down saying that don't need us, it seems they do, or discussions like what are happening now in Spain would not be taking place

Come on Spain I say, its better for you and me so i'm all over this now

Please show where the discussions are taking place?

I also have an interest in this.

 

[Al n Val]

Please show where the discussions are taking place?

I also have an interest in this.

Surely its all in post no. 1

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