Spain, Desperate to get us back !

[EuroTrotters]

So after refusing even second home owners and even some workers, with -NEGATIVE PCR Tests. Now Spanish Ministers are urging the UK Gov to put Spain own the Green List.

As a Home owner in Spain, I am disgusted by the way we have been treated by the Spanish authorities and the EU.

But let's see what happens.

Tourism minister: British tourists should be able to return to Spain from May 20 without PCR tests

Speaking after the weekly Cabinet meeting on Tuesday, Reyes Maroto pointed to the positive epidemiological data in the United Kingdom and expressed hopes that her country would soon be put on the “green list” of destinations

english.elpais.com

 

[David and Sally]

Portugal also begging Brits to come back. Maybe they and Spain will review the 90 day rule and tell the EU to get stuffed.

 

[olley]

Why, it's the 1-2 week package holiday makers they want.

 

[David and Sally]

Why, it's the 1-2 week package holiday makers they want.

And all the Brits who 'live' there (without residency) or over-winter. Must be a substantial contribution to their economy.

 

[gus-lopez]

As a Home owner in Spain, I am disgusted by the way we have been treated by the Spanish authorities and the EU.

In what way?
No one can enter who isn't a national or resident. You cannot 'enter' to collect your 'residencia' as you should have been living here as a resident .
Friend picked up a neighbour who is resident earlier this week. 8 on the plane & she said 9 were refused boarding . Look on the bright side the Aussies have 36,000 citizens they won't let back in.

Portugal also begging Brits to come back.

News to me? The tourist side might want them but the government is sticking to its"no 3rd country entries" in a report I read earlier today?

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[Guigsy]

Portugal also begging Brits to come back. Maybe they and Spain will review the 90 day rule and tell the EU to get stuffed.

Problem is, the 90 day rule is for the Schengen zone. If a country starts bending the rules, it threatens everyone else in the zone. I doubt they'd be prepared to rock the boat.

 

[Littlewheels]

As a Home owner in Spain, I am disgusted by the way we have been treated by the Spanish authorities and the EU.

We haven’t been treated to anything as far as l am aware! we have been completely ignored.
l cannot understand why the Spanish Government don’t realise the impact their inactivity will have on future investment in Spanish property this and B restrictions for the retirees in the time being able to spend there provides good reason in not investing.

 

[Littlewheels]

Portugal also begging Brits to come back. Maybe they and Spain will review the 90 day rule and tell the EU to get stuffed.

Bring it on and our prayers will be answered

 

[HarryML7]

I can’t see EU countries being very receptive if this is how the UK treats EU citizens. Yes she didn’t have a working visa but given the need to adhere to new rules she won’t be the last who crosses a UK/EU without knowing all the rules.

Marta, 24, was supposed to work as au pair in London. However, without a working visa, she was sent to the Colnbrook Immigration Removal Centre. Every personal belonging was seized, including her smartphone, "because they didn't want me to take pictures or videos: my window had bars, walls barbed wire. I was shocked. Another young woman from Tuscany told me she had been held there for 5 days". Dozens of EU citizens have reportedly suffered the same since January the 1st
LONDON. Before the 31st of December 31 2020, Italian and other European citizens could easily travel to the United Kingdom for work or leisure. However, after the concretisation of Brexit, one can be detained without a visa or the necessary documentation and held for several days as it has happened to dozens of Italians and EU citizens since January according to diplomatic sources to Repubblica, “burst into tears,” and live “a horrible nightmare.” Rule number one in the removal center: no photos nor videos. Cell phones are seized because British authorities “do not want images to be spread,” says in an exclusive interview with la Repubblica, Marta Lo Martire, a 24-year-old woman from the Puglia region and graduate at the Academy of Fine Arts in Verona. Marta tells us that just a few weeks ago, she was detained by British border authorities at Heathrow Airport, transferred in the middle of the night to the nearby “Colnbrook Immigration Removal Centre” (defined as a “prison” even by Google Maps), and deported with a flight to Milan the day after.

“Actually, it was the border agents at Heathrow who told me they were taking me to ‘prison,’ something I understood when I looked up the word in Google Translator, as I don't speak English well,” tells us Marta over the phone. “I couldn't make sense of it. I hadn't done anything wrong. I thought I had the correct documentation. Instead, I found myself surrounded by walls with barbed wire, windows with bars, huge security gates. It was a shock. Once inside, I burst into tears; it was inconceivable to me. They told me, ‘Don't worry, you're safe.’ But I was like, 'How can I be safe in a place like that?’”

Last January a Covid break-up was reported at Colnbrook center, which is located in Boris Johnson's costituency, Uxbridge. In 2015, a Guardian investigation informed that in this prison, ‘there are no windows, no wind. The men all suffer from mental health problems.’ In the United Kingdom, another ‘Immigration Removal Centre’ was under investigation for ‘negligence’ after the death of 34-year-old Oscar Lucky Okwurime, a Nigerian asylum seeker detained at Harmondsworth Removal Centre.

Marta's cousin, Giuseppe Pichierri, an Italian doctor and microbiologist working for NHS in the UK, who has been living in London for almost 15 years, is appalled by what happened: “We are furious and outraged, my English wife and father-in-law cannot understand what is happening to their country.” Pichierri tried to bail Marta out without success: “And yet we are resident citizens,” he explains to la Repubblica, “we are respectable citizens; they should have granted her bail, as they did with other people. Besides, we had spoken with Paul Scully, the Conservative MP for the London constituency where we live [and a Business minister], and they assured us there would be no problem”.

Not so. Giuseppe had sent his cousin Marta a letter signed by him to enter the UK as an au pair, welcoming her for some time in his family. Due to COVID and the suspension of tourism and leisure travel, non-residents could enter the UK only for work purposes in recent months. However, Marta had not applied for the required work visa. Giuseppe's letter gave reasons for travelling family reunification and an offer of work with the possibility of remuneration. Border authorities did not consider it sufficient according to the new rules approved by the Home Secretary of Boris Johnson’s cabinet, Eurosceptic ‘hawk’ Priti Patel. A daughter of refugees, she adopted an iron fist strategy against irregular immigration. In recent months, Patel has repeatedly said, “thanks to Brexit, there will be no more fast-tracks for Europeans, and the same rules will apply to them.”

Contacted by Repubblica on this issue of EU citizens detained at UK border, the Home Office's response was that “EU Citizens are our friends and neighbours and we want them to remain in the uk, which is why they have until 30th June to apply for the EUSS if they were resident in the UK before 31st December. For those who were not resident before this date, as the public expects, we require evidence of an individual's right to live and work in the UK. If an EU citizen is considering moving to the UK for work or study, we encourage them to check the requirements for applying for a visa – we have communicated this requirement in every EU country, translated information into EU languages, and have worked closely with FCDO and EU consulates to encourage EU member states to also communicate this to their citizens.”

The Home Office is not commenting on individual cases but when Repubblica asked about the reported conditions of these centres where EU citizens are detained, the Home Office pointed us to the information on Gov.UK on Detention Service Orders. However, Repubblica understands that the Home Office is urgently looking into such cases.

Until a few months ago, European citizens could travel freely to the United Kingdom. Few Italians or Europeans believed that, despite Brexit, they risked being sent to jail. But Marta tells us that’s exactly what happens if you don't have the right documentation. “On the morning of April 17, I left Brindisi, had a stopover in Milan, and arrived in London in the afternoon, where I thought I was going to stay with my cousins.”

And then what happened, Marta?

“They checked my papers, and I showed them my cousin's letter offering me an au pair position, specifying all the duties I had to perform. It was my first international trip; I tried to explain my cousin was my employer and that I would be staying with his family. But then they seized my suitcases and personal belongings, searched me, asked me questions, locked me in a small room under surveillance at the airport. Until 4 a.m.”

That’s when they took you to the removal center?

“Yes, because they told me I couldn’t stay in that small room at the airport for 24 hours. So, in the middle of the night, at 4 a.m., they transferred me to a room ‘with more facilities.’ Even though they later told me, ‘It's a prison’!’”

So the border authorities admitted it?

“Yes, Google Translator, through which we communicated, said ’prison.’”

Did it look like one?

“Yes, it did. Barbed wire atop the walls, bars on windows, and huge security gates... It was quite a shock. I couldn't get over it, 'I'm in prison!' I burst into tears. I asked the guards if I could see my cousin Giuseppe, even in their presence, because he speaks English very well. But initially, they said no.”

You couldn't call Giuseppe?

“No, because they seized my cell phone. They told me I couldn't keep my phone because it has a camera; they feared I might take videos or photos I could send outside. So they took it away from me. My cousin and family didn't know what happened to me. Later, they gave me an old phone without a camera. But there was no credit. I tried to recharge it, but I only had euros, and they only accepted pounds. So I called Giuseppe from the prison payphones, and that's how he was able to reach me.”

Did they seize all your possessions during your detention?

“Yes, everything. Suitcase, wallet, money, phone: they put all my belongings in sealed bags with my name on them. They asked me if I needed a change of clothes for the night.”

So did it actually look like prison?

“There is very little difference, although the authorities there do everything they can to put you at ease. But every step you take, a guard follows you. The doors are closed. And you get searched. I've lost count of how many times I got searched.”

Even when you were in the center?

“Yes, They searched me head to toe. They also took my fingerprints and pictures of me.”

What was the room like where you spent the night?

“Bars on windows, there were three beds in the room, but I was the only guest, then two desks and a security door with a small round window. I asked them to leave the door unlocked, as It would make me feel even worse. They agreed.”

How long did you spend in the center?

“I had a fortune in my misfortune because they found me a flight back to Italy the next day. I left on Sunday, April 18, at 7 p.m. I spent about 12 hours in the removal center. They escorted me until I sat on the plane to make sure I was deported. Just before boarding my flight, they finally gave me back my personal belongings, my suitcase, and my smartphone at the boarding gate. I got my passport back only after landing in Milan.”

Did you see other girls in Colnbrook women's wing where you were detained?

“There was another girl from Tuscany; I can't remember her name. I remember she too was 24 years old like me and had already been there for five days. She also didn't know why. She thought she had not been given a return flight right away because the return ticket cost more than what she had paid for.”

What state was the girl in?

“She spent four days on her own; then, on the fifth day, they brought two more girls. She told me the first few days she was going crazy; it was ‘a horrible nightmare’. Always alone, no contact, her cell phone had also been seized, and she couldn't remember her family members' phone numbers. She had to wait for them to find her.”

I guess you now have a deportation stamp on your passport.

“Yes, there is a Heathrow Airport stamp with the date and a cross over it.”

 

[Tanya_and_Mick]

For those UK’rs with residency; or supporting papers; Spain has been treating them well.

Every nine euros spent in Spain is typically a tourism spend. The UK contribution is typically just 1 euro of the nine.

Spain will again welcome the UK holiday maker; but it’s a myth that the UK’s contribution to the Spanish economy is more cherished / vital than any other country.

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[EuroTrotters]

I can’t see EU countries being very receptive if this is how the UK treats EU citizens. Yes she didn’t have a working visa but given the need to adhere to new rules she won’t be the last who crosses a UK/EU without knowing all the rules.

Marta, 24, was supposed to work as au pair in London. However, without a working visa, she was sent to the Colnbrook Immigration Removal Centre. Every personal belonging was seized, including her smartphone, "because they didn't want me to take pictures or videos: my window had bars, walls barbed wire. I was shocked. Another young woman from Tuscany told me she had been held there for 5 days". Dozens of EU citizens have reportedly suffered the same since January the 1st
LONDON. Before the 31st of December 31 2020, Italian and other European citizens could easily travel to the United Kingdom for work or leisure. However, after the concretisation of Brexit, one can be detained without a visa or the necessary documentation and held for several days as it has happened to dozens of Italians and EU citizens since January according to diplomatic sources to Repubblica, “burst into tears,” and live “a horrible nightmare.” Rule number one in the removal center: no photos nor videos. Cell phones are seized because British authorities “do not want images to be spread,” says in an exclusive interview with la Repubblica, Marta Lo Martire, a 24-year-old woman from the Puglia region and graduate at the Academy of Fine Arts in Verona. Marta tells us that just a few weeks ago, she was detained by British border authorities at Heathrow Airport, transferred in the middle of the night to the nearby “Colnbrook Immigration Removal Centre” (defined as a “prison” even by Google Maps), and deported with a flight to Milan the day after.

“Actually, it was the border agents at Heathrow who told me they were taking me to ‘prison,’ something I understood when I looked up the word in Google Translator, as I don't speak English well,” tells us Marta over the phone. “I couldn't make sense of it. I hadn't done anything wrong. I thought I had the correct documentation. Instead, I found myself surrounded by walls with barbed wire, windows with bars, huge security gates. It was a shock. Once inside, I burst into tears; it was inconceivable to me. They told me, ‘Don't worry, you're safe.’ But I was like, 'How can I be safe in a place like that?’”

Last January a Covid break-up was reported at Colnbrook center, which is located in Boris Johnson's costituency, Uxbridge. In 2015, a Guardian investigation informed that in this prison, ‘there are no windows, no wind. The men all suffer from mental health problems.’ In the United Kingdom, another ‘Immigration Removal Centre’ was under investigation for ‘negligence’ after the death of 34-year-old Oscar Lucky Okwurime, a Nigerian asylum seeker detained at Harmondsworth Removal Centre.

Marta's cousin, Giuseppe Pichierri, an Italian doctor and microbiologist working for NHS in the UK, who has been living in London for almost 15 years, is appalled by what happened: “We are furious and outraged, my English wife and father-in-law cannot understand what is happening to their country.” Pichierri tried to bail Marta out without success: “And yet we are resident citizens,” he explains to la Repubblica, “we are respectable citizens; they should have granted her bail, as they did with other people. Besides, we had spoken with Paul Scully, the Conservative MP for the London constituency where we live [and a Business minister], and they assured us there would be no problem”.

Not so. Giuseppe had sent his cousin Marta a letter signed by him to enter the UK as an au pair, welcoming her for some time in his family. Due to COVID and the suspension of tourism and leisure travel, non-residents could enter the UK only for work purposes in recent months. However, Marta had not applied for the required work visa. Giuseppe's letter gave reasons for travelling family reunification and an offer of work with the possibility of remuneration. Border authorities did not consider it sufficient according to the new rules approved by the Home Secretary of Boris Johnson’s cabinet, Eurosceptic ‘hawk’ Priti Patel. A daughter of refugees, she adopted an iron fist strategy against irregular immigration. In recent months, Patel has repeatedly said, “thanks to Brexit, there will be no more fast-tracks for Europeans, and the same rules will apply to them.”

Contacted by Repubblica on this issue of EU citizens detained at UK border, the Home Office's response was that “EU Citizens are our friends and neighbours and we want them to remain in the uk, which is why they have until 30th June to apply for the EUSS if they were resident in the UK before 31st December. For those who were not resident before this date, as the public expects, we require evidence of an individual's right to live and work in the UK. If an EU citizen is considering moving to the UK for work or study, we encourage them to check the requirements for applying for a visa – we have communicated this requirement in every EU country, translated information into EU languages, and have worked closely with FCDO and EU consulates to encourage EU member states to also communicate this to their citizens.”

The Home Office is not commenting on individual cases but when Repubblica asked about the reported conditions of these centres where EU citizens are detained, the Home Office pointed us to the information on Gov.UK on Detention Service Orders. However, Repubblica understands that the Home Office is urgently looking into such cases.

Until a few months ago, European citizens could travel freely to the United Kingdom. Few Italians or Europeans believed that, despite Brexit, they risked being sent to jail. But Marta tells us that’s exactly what happens if you don't have the right documentation. “On the morning of April 17, I left Brindisi, had a stopover in Milan, and arrived in London in the afternoon, where I thought I was going to stay with my cousins.”

And then what happened, Marta?

“They checked my papers, and I showed them my cousin's letter offering me an au pair position, specifying all the duties I had to perform. It was my first international trip; I tried to explain my cousin was my employer and that I would be staying with his family. But then they seized my suitcases and personal belongings, searched me, asked me questions, locked me in a small room under surveillance at the airport. Until 4 a.m.”

That’s when they took you to the removal center?

“Yes, because they told me I couldn’t stay in that small room at the airport for 24 hours. So, in the middle of the night, at 4 a.m., they transferred me to a room ‘with more facilities.’ Even though they later told me, ‘It's a prison’!’”

So the border authorities admitted it?

“Yes, Google Translator, through which we communicated, said ’prison.’”

Did it look like one?

“Yes, it did. Barbed wire atop the walls, bars on windows, and huge security gates... It was quite a shock. I couldn't get over it, 'I'm in prison!' I burst into tears. I asked the guards if I could see my cousin Giuseppe, even in their presence, because he speaks English very well. But initially, they said no.”

You couldn't call Giuseppe?

“No, because they seized my cell phone. They told me I couldn't keep my phone because it has a camera; they feared I might take videos or photos I could send outside. So they took it away from me. My cousin and family didn't know what happened to me. Later, they gave me an old phone without a camera. But there was no credit. I tried to recharge it, but I only had euros, and they only accepted pounds. So I called Giuseppe from the prison payphones, and that's how he was able to reach me.”

Did they seize all your possessions during your detention?

“Yes, everything. Suitcase, wallet, money, phone: they put all my belongings in sealed bags with my name on them. They asked me if I needed a change of clothes for the night.”

So did it actually look like prison?

“There is very little difference, although the authorities there do everything they can to put you at ease. But every step you take, a guard follows you. The doors are closed. And you get searched. I've lost count of how many times I got searched.”

Even when you were in the center?

“Yes, They searched me head to toe. They also took my fingerprints and pictures of me.”

What was the room like where you spent the night?

“Bars on windows, there were three beds in the room, but I was the only guest, then two desks and a security door with a small round window. I asked them to leave the door unlocked, as It would make me feel even worse. They agreed.”

How long did you spend in the center?

“I had a fortune in my misfortune because they found me a flight back to Italy the next day. I left on Sunday, April 18, at 7 p.m. I spent about 12 hours in the removal center. They escorted me until I sat on the plane to make sure I was deported. Just before boarding my flight, they finally gave me back my personal belongings, my suitcase, and my smartphone at the boarding gate. I got my passport back only after landing in Milan.”

Did you see other girls in Colnbrook women's wing where you were detained?

“There was another girl from Tuscany; I can't remember her name. I remember she too was 24 years old like me and had already been there for five days. She also didn't know why. She thought she had not been given a return flight right away because the return ticket cost more than what she had paid for.”

What state was the girl in?

“She spent four days on her own; then, on the fifth day, they brought two more girls. She told me the first few days she was going crazy; it was ‘a horrible nightmare’. Always alone, no contact, her cell phone had also been seized, and she couldn't remember her family members' phone numbers. She had to wait for them to find her.”

I guess you now have a deportation stamp on your passport.

“Yes, there is a Heathrow Airport stamp with the date and a cross over it.”

I’m at work. I will read that later !

For those UK’rs with residency; or supporting papers; Spain has been treating them well.

Every nine euros spent in Spain is typically a tourism spend. The UK contribution is typically just 1 euro of the nine.

Spain will again welcome the UK holiday maker; but it’s a myth that the UK’s contribution to the Spanish economy is more cherished / vital than any other country.

 

[Guigsy]

I’m at work. I will read that later !

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Yeah, a lot of British tourists visit Spain. But most of them just do weekend trips to Barcelona or a fortnight in Alicante. The 90 day rules only affect a tiny proportion. And people that are staying for long periods probably aren't burning through a couple of hundred Euros per day like you would on an annual holiday.

 

[Tanya_and_Mick]

I’m at work. I will read that later !

View attachment 496228

Yup, depending on the source, France still outstripped the UK by .7M; plus, of course, the visitors vs. spend stat' (in so called normal times) cuts the view on the 'importance cake'.

I think it was El Pais who did a finical review last year (unsure of their source) which broke down overseas country spend and the UK (if you believe the report) was not at the top of the tree.

TBH how do you really sample and accrue accurate spend data across all provinces that tells the real story...

But back to the OP, Spain seems to have been fair to persons who have aligned to the country residence requirements; rather than, "it'll never happen" and "my euro is so important I should not have to do x,y or z" and "I never had time to prepare" and "but we're British", etc, etc......

 

[gus-lopez]

Technically the Portugal problem is europe wide. The UK is classedas a 3rd country by the EU and is not on the list of 3rd countries allowed in at present.
The Portuguese don't know what to do as the champions league final has been moved to Oporto and 8k English fans have tickets and the spokesman said "this isn'tgoing to look good us having to turn them away at the airport. "
Theoretically the Spanish can't let anyone in or the French, either.

cannot understand why the Spanish Government don’t realise the impact their inactivity will have on future investment in Spanish property this and B restrictions for the retirees in the time being able to spend there provides good reason in not investing.

I have come across 3 English couples in the last 10 days ,all non residents,looking to buy houses?
A friend put his house close to me on the market Friday before last. English couple came on the Sunday transferred 10% deposit next morning.
How are they doing it I have no idea?

 

[jumar]

My word all these similar gripes are wearing a bit thin now.....Covid is causing major problems worldwide...FACT
Brexit...(shhhhhh) has come and gone FACT.
Spain Portugal and that other Schengen country beginning with F and ending in E are fishing for visitors...The Tourism sector is asking...Where are the tourists....however the Agricultural sector is just ploughing in the unsold produce and hope next year will be better......
Of course Tourism means employment...generating lots of money, I've said it before.... I'll say it again...the fortnightly family holiday.....the lads and lasses spend as much as you can weekend/ weeks bash....
Most of the apartment's on the resort where we live are empty of their owners....that's a Covid problem....not Brexit ..
Given time all will be well..until then adjust...Covid will be controlled and Brexit will be something of years past....and I might not even be here....that's how life works...

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[acropolis22]

I have come across 3 English couples in the last 10 days ,all non residents,looking to buy houses?
A friend put his house close to me on the market Friday before last. English couple came on the Sunday transferred 10% deposit next morning.
How are they doing it I have no idea?

There's nothing to stop people buying a house is there? As in "holiday home". The problems start when they want to ignore the 90/180 rule?

 

[gus-lopez]

There's nothing to stop people buying a house is there? As in "holiday home". The problems start when they want to ignore the 90/180 rule?

How do they get here when you cannot leave the UK?legally?
None were forthcoming coming when asked outright?

 

[jumartoo]

Martin has said above that Brit owners haven't been able to visit for a year or so, and that's correct, but it's not stopping other Brits buying (unseen) on our resort. Many apartments have been bought, by Brits, this year alone, and we personally know a couple of the buyers!!!

 

[Guigsy]

Martin has said above that Brit owners haven't been able to visit for a year or so, and that's correct, but it's not stopping other Brits buying (unseen) on our resort. Many apartments have been bought, by Brits, this year alone, and we personally know a couple of the buyers!!!

"Business trip"

 

[jumar]

"Business trip"

No, not even leaving the comfort of their UK armchair...buying via the internet... unseen...just click and buy...leave everything to the agent......

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[phase3begins]

I’m still not sure what the point of posting the huge Italian newspaper report was.
Someone tried to enter a country illegally and was returned to home country.
What should have been done, perhaps a chauffeur driven limousine to the Savoy?

 

[2657]

I’m still not sure what the point of posting the huge Italian newspaper report was.
Someone tried to enter a country illegally and was returned to home country.
What should have been done, perhaps a chauffeur driven limousine to the Savoy?

Perhaps the point is she wasn't attempting to enter the UK illegally, she had an offer of employment. Citizens of EU countries are allowed to enter the UK not only if they have a job offer but also to look for work prior to applying for a visa.

EU citizens arriving in UK being locked up and expelled

Europeans with job interviews tell of detentions and expulsions despite rules allowing non-visa holders to attend interviews

www.theguardian.com

 

[acropolis22]

How do they get here when you cannot leave the UK?legally?
None were forthcoming coming when asked outright?

Sorry, didn't twig you were querying their travel arrangements.

 

[phase3begins]

Perhaps the point is she wasn't attempting to enter the UK illegally, she had an offer of employment. Citizens of EU countries are allowed to enter the UK not only if they have a job offer but also to look for work prior to applying for a visa.

EU citizens arriving in UK being locked up and expelled

Europeans with job interviews tell of detentions and expulsions despite rules allowing non-visa holders to attend interviews

www.theguardian.com

both the article and the lady herself state that she did not have the necessary visa.

 

[gus-lopez]

both the article and the lady herself state that she did not have the necessary visa.

It is debatable if she needed a visa if it had been made clear in the letter of employment that she was family as , the same as here or any other EU state , family members can enter & be added to existing residency /obtain there own as beneficiary /right to reside ,etc.

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[EuroTrotters]

Yeah, a lot of British tourists visit Spain. But most of them just do weekend trips to Barcelona or a fortnight in Alicante. The 90 day rules only affect a tiny proportion. And people that are staying for long periods probably aren't burning through a couple of hundred Euros per day like you would on an annual holiday.

I never referred to any 90/180 day rule

 

[EuroTrotters]

Yup, depending on the source, France still outstripped the UK by .7M; plus, of course, the visitors vs. spend stat' (in so called normal times) cuts the view on the 'importance cake'.

I think it was El Pais who did a finical review last year (unsure of their source) which broke down overseas country spend and the UK (if you believe the report) was not at the top of the tree.

TBH how do you really sample and accrue accurate spend data across all provinces that tells the real story...

But back to the OP, Spain seems to have been fair to persons who have aligned to the country residence requirements; rather than, "it'll never happen" and "my euro is so important I should not have to do x,y or z" and "I never had time to prepare" and "but we're British", etc, etc......

And again...


“But back to the OP, Spain seems to have been fair to persons who have aligned to the country residence requirements; rather than, "it'll never happen" and "my euro is so important I should not have to do x,y or z" and "I never had time to prepare" and "but we're British", etc, etc......”

Not a statement or point I made.

 

[EuroTrotters]

Martin has said above that Brit owners haven't been able to visit for a year or so, and that's correct, but it's not stopping other Brits buying (unseen) on our resort. Many apartments have been bought, by Brits, this year alone, and we personally know a couple of the buyers!!!

UK citizens / residents were allowed in up until 22nd December.

 

[Coolcats]

And all the Brits who 'live' there (without residency) or over-winter. Must be a substantial contribution to their economy.

Of course and the same with the foreign nationals who contribute to the U.K. economy Most of London is owned by overseas investors as are our football stadiums rail networks, half of our water supplies are also owned by oversea companies. We cant afford to build our own nuclear powerstations without the french and Chinese most of our vehicle manufactures are not owned by U.K. investment looks like we have done some begging as well

this may not do us any favours as well

EU citizens arriving in UK being locked up and expelled

EU citizens arriving in UK being locked up and expelled

Europeans with job interviews tell of detentions and expulsions despite rules allowing non-visa holders to attend interviews

www.theguardian.com

 

[Guigsy]

I never referred to any 90/180 day rule

So Covid restrictions get lifted (hopefully soon). Anyone visiting Schengen will probably need a tourist visa, which is probably going to be easier than getting one for the US. What are people hoping will change after that?

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