Show us your Angles Mort

[Ridgeway]

Our van weighs 3499.99kgs

I only need to add these signs if I add these signs

 

[gus-lopez]

Aren’t there supposed to be one each side on the front? Thinking about I I can’t see the point but......... just sayin.

4 if using in Uk as well.

Magnetic on doors and one held on with Velcro on the back.
Only have them as towing car and did not want to attract to much attention

Trailer requires one as well.

 

[Three Stars]

Why have you got the front one on the wrong side?

The law requires them to be on both sides at the front of the vehicle.

 

[Three Stars]

It would seem to be simple commonsense and courtesy to comply with local laws in any country you visit. Otherwise, why take the risk of being fined, being found to be partly at fault if you are involved in an accident, or being considered arrogant and reactionary? We frequently travel in France and don't take unnecessary risks or need any hassle with the authorities so we fitted the stickers and keep them on throughout the year. However, I have seen some stickers advertised on the internet that are smaller than the regulation size so be aware! Photos of our front stickers are attached. They came with instructions about exactly where to fit them.

 

[minesapint]

Considering the size of trucks, buses and motor homes, if a cyclist cannot see the afore mentioned and is stupid enough to ride up inside (right in Europe, left in UK) then I cannot see a sticker 6”x 3” ( guessing size) being effective in deterring them from doing it, also does having the sticker absolve the driver from blame and any resulting police or court action? I very much doubt it as governments seem hell bent on allowing cyclists to do as they please and place any blame on the driver of the vehicle

Maybe this cyclist should have a ""Pass Either Side"" sticker

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[2x2camper]

Maybe this cyclist should have a ""Pass Either Side"" sticker

Why can the tractor driver not decide what is the correct way to overtake?

 

[IRHP]

In the glovebox with the breathalyser, now they want snow chains, what’s next.

No legal requirement to carry a breathalyser in France now.

 

[Paulypaul]

What gets me is the amount of UK vans that have the rear sticker on the wrong side....since when has the offside rear of a right hand drive vehicle been a blind spot. If it is, you shouldn't be anywhere near a steering wheel.

 

[Bessy765]

I am afraid you are incorrect they should be placed on the rear on the side nearest the kerb. It is for when turning right the cyclist may get trapped between the vehicle and the kerb.

Non-compliance will result in a 4th class penalty fine (€135) that can be decreased or increased, associated with a loss of 1 to 6 points on the driving licence.




The stickers’ exact location (on both sides and the rear) is mandated by the new law.


The law was drafted in 2019, notified to the EC in July 2020 and passed in November 2020.


After an intervention by France’s trade body, the FNTR, a transition period has been agreed.


To allow operators time to comply a 12-month transition period has been agreed, during when it will be acceptable to have any visual indication of the presence of blind spots if the official stickers are not available.


The official signs must be 17 x 25cm and can be stickers, plates or vinyl as part of the livery.


Vehicles already fitted with side cameras are not exempt. All vehicles and trailers must have signs that must be between 0.9m-1.5m above ground level fitted:

• On the rear, on the right-hand side (French kerbside)
• On each side (left and right) between 0m-1m of the front, excluding glass surfaces
• On trailers, each side (left and right) between 0m-1m behind the kingpin (for semi-trailers) or the front body of other trailers.

 

[JockandRita]

I am afraid you are incorrect they should be placed on the rear on the side nearest the kerb. It is for when turning right the cyclist may get trapped between the vehicle and the kerb.

Non-compliance will result in a 4th class penalty fine (€135) that can be decreased or increased, associated with a loss of 1 to 6 points on the driving licence.




The stickers’ exact location (on both sides and the rear) is mandated by the new law.


The law was drafted in 2019, notified to the EC in July 2020 and passed in November 2020.


After an intervention by France’s trade body, the FNTR, a transition period has been agreed.


To allow operators time to comply a 12-month transition period has been agreed, during when it will be acceptable to have any visual indication of the presence of blind spots if the official stickers are not available.


The official signs must be 17 x 25cm and can be stickers, plates or vinyl as part of the livery.


Vehicles already fitted with side cameras are not exempt. All vehicles and trailers must have signs that must be between 0.9m-1.5m above ground level fitted:

• On the rear, on the right-hand side (French kerbside)
• On each side (left and right) between 0m-1m of the front, excluding glass surfaces
• On trailers, each side (left and right) between 0m-1m behind the kingpin (for semi-trailers) or the front body of other trailers.

All of the above re-affirms my belief, that the rules regarding Angles Mort were brought about for commercial vehicles exceeding 3500Kgs.

Cheers,

Jock.

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[Paulypaul]

I am afraid you are incorrect they should be placed on the rear on the side nearest the kerb. It is for when turning right the cyclist may get trapped between the vehicle and the kerb.

Non-compliance will result in a 4th class penalty fine (€135) that can be decreased or increased, associated with a loss of 1 to 6 points on the driving licence.




The stickers’ exact location (on both sides and the rear) is mandated by the new law.


The law was drafted in 2019, notified to the EC in July 2020 and passed in November 2020.


After an intervention by France’s trade body, the FNTR, a transition period has been agreed.


To allow operators time to comply a 12-month transition period has been agreed, during when it will be acceptable to have any visual indication of the presence of blind spots if the official stickers are not available.


The official signs must be 17 x 25cm and can be stickers, plates or vinyl as part of the livery.


Vehicles already fitted with side cameras are not exempt. All vehicles and trailers must have signs that must be between 0.9m-1.5m above ground level fitted:

• On the rear, on the right-hand side (French kerbside)
• On each side (left and right) between 0m-1m of the front, excluding glass surfaces
• On trailers, each side (left and right) between 0m-1m behind the kingpin (for semi-trailers) or the front body of other trailers.

Well blow me. I stand corrected but I'm not going to start on about cyclists and pedestrians should know better.
Some trailers won't be compatible to acceptvthe sticker 0m-1m behind the kingpin. On my trailer the sticker would be far too big.
It's a law by the sounds of it designed to capture commercial operators who will inevitably fail to comply in some way due to inpracticality.

 

[Bessy765]

 

[ChrisL]

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I looked at those when I was buying some for my trip, they were described as being for internal use only, attached to glass, obviously with the sign facing out. The reason given was the risk of damage to people or property should they become detached.

 

[JockandRita]

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Sorry, but as smart and tidy looking as they are, they wouldn't be for me either, at the risk of one flying off and injuring a motorcyclist, or going through someone's windscreen.
As well as the security of the interior load, as drivers, we are all responsible for the security of the external load, along with any fixtures/fittings.

Cheers,

Jock.

 

[Bessy765]

On the fronts ones the leading edge is curved in towards the body to prevent lift, and the rear one is not subject to drag. They have now covered some 11,000 thousand miles. The only precaution is too remove them periodically and wash and dirt and grit From around the suckers.

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[Paulypaul]

Apart from the implication of hurting someone or damaging someone else's vehicle if they fly off, I would be more worried about the damage to my own van if one flew off

 

[Bessy765]

The front ones have six suckers and take a bit of removing otherwise I would not be using them if I thought they may come loose.

 

[Roger J Holman]

In the spring we went to Europe; France, Switzerland, Italy, back to Switzerland, Germany, Belgium, France and home. Prior to leaving we dutifully applied our 'Angles Mort' signs, and felt absolute p******s. On the way through Germany we spent a night on a site, parked next to a French van. "Why have you got those signs up?" the owner asked, "They are only required on vehicles over 7M length, you are only 6.5M so you don't need them".

Needless to say, they came off smartly, and will not be replaced. Another example of the Brits over-reacting to perceptions of French regulations?

 

[Paulypaul]

The front ones have six suckers and take a bit of removing otherwise I would not be using them if I thought they may come loose.

But you never know really. Unless it's permanently affixed I don't trust anything not to come off. Had plenty of experience with bits of boats becoming detached at 56mph, that have been fixed for years.

 

[Bessy765]

It is not the length its the weight, we are 4500 kgs so mandatory, as stated in excess of 11,000 covered most for the long hops at 50/60 mph. On the first trip stopped a few times to check and they do take some pulling off.

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[GAVLAD]

In the glovebox with the breathalyser, now they want snow chains, what’s next.

That will be interesting fitting them at the side of the road in July

 

[minesapint]

Why can the tractor driver not decide what is the correct way to overtake?

Do you mean go over the top of the Lycra looney

 

[2x2camper]

Do you mean go over the top of the Lycra looney

Why is he a looney?

 

[minesapint]

Why is he a looney?

He is in the middle of the road blocking the tractor.

 

[2x2camper]

So why doesn't the tractor go round him if there is room in the other lane? But in reality you can't see from that photograph why the cyclist has taken up the position he has. May be there is something in front of the cyclist they are avoiding

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[minesapint]

So why doesn't the tractor go round him if there is room in the other lane? But in reality you can't see from that photograph why the cyclist has taken up the position he has. May be there is something in front of the cyclist they are avoiding

The tractor probably does not go round him as there is not enough room, and it would be doubtful if he could leave the new legal distance between the tractor and trailer and the bike, if he went by.
On the other hand the bike could simply go to the side and stop and let the working vehicle through.

 

[2x2camper]

The tractor probably does not go round him as there is not enough room, and it would be doubtful if he could leave the new legal distance between the tractor and trailer and the bike, if he went by.
On the other hand the bike could simply go to the side and stop and let the working vehicle through.

Or perhaps you just don't know but don't like cyclists.

 

[minesapint]

Or perhaps you just don't know but don't like cyclists.

i do not dislike cyclists, only the ones who go out of their way to be a pain. Almost as bad as the EU.

 

[2x2camper]

i do not dislike cyclists, only the ones who go out of their way to be a pain. Almost as bad as the EU.

But you give options on them without knowing the full circumstances though.

 

[minesapint]

But you give options on them without knowing the full circumstances though.

As you seem to do re drivers.

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