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Oct 31, 2012
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Hi everyone,
Never had this van weighed, since we got it about 18 months ago.It's a Pilote P650, 2016 Reg. 3500 Kg. Went to our local Tip, to have it weighed. Shock horror. 3660kg. !!! What I can't understand is, that the front axle weighed 1810 kg (Plated at 1850 Kg)
Rear axle 2220 Kg (Plated at 2000 Kg, just 22 kg over. Can any one tell me how I'm 160 Kg overloaded please?
Failing that, I'll just have to leave the wife at home.
P.S. Have started to remove crap out of the Garage already
 

Riverbankannie

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For a start, it’s French and they don’t seem to bother about weights. I guess it is also designed to take 4 as well !

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Dec 6, 2011
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Have I got the correct?
You were 1810 up front and 2220 rear, so to be legal

You really need to loose 220kgs over the rear to be within axle limit and 310kgs on the front to bring total down to 3500kgs.


That’s a tad more than the total of 3660 kgs

Something wrong there with the numbers or it’s worse than you think
 
Oct 12, 2009
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The figures you quote in your OP just do not equate, because if the front and rear axle weights are correct at 1810 and 2220 then they add up to 4030, not the total weight of 3660 that you quoted.

Please confirm the figures.

Maybe something wrong in the way it was weighed. What type of weighbridge was it?
 
Sep 18, 2016
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Just out of interest has anyone on this forum ever been stopped and asked to do a weight check on their Motorhome?

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Aug 18, 2014
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Just out of interest has anyone on this forum ever been stopped and asked to do a weight check on their Motorhome?
Yes stopped & weighed in France december 2019 near bordeaux. 800kgs under

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BillyS
Oct 31, 2012
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I have attached pics of the 2 plates under the Bonnet, which seems to suggest that the van is rated over 3509 Kg

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Sep 17, 2017
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I have attached pics of the 2 plates under the Bonnet, which seems to suggest that the van is rated over 3509 Kg

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It was built to take 3650kg. But been down plated. So it's registered and legal at 3500kg.

With a paper exercise, you can get it re-plated to 3650kg. Maybe even as high as 3850kg. As long as you have a C1 licence to drive it.

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suavecarve

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Theoretically your van is capable of carrying 3850 (the 2 axles maximum) but it is registered at 3500 kgs therefore if you cannot load the entirety above 3500 OR over the weight of each axle.

Uprating is easy if you have C1
 
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BillyS
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Lost my C1 due to Sleep Apnoea,and use a mask every night. Looking at the 2 pics of the plates under the Bonnet, there seems to be a difference of 150 Kg on the first 2 sets of figures as pressed out on the plates.
 
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BillyS
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Thank you all for your prompt replies. Much appreciated. Starting to make a little bit more sense now.

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Apr 26, 2015
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Lost my C1 due to Sleep Apnoea
All you have to do to retain your C1 is prove that you are compliant with therapy and it is effective. My CPAP machine records aponea events and usage to an SD card, there is software available to read the card and print reports. If your machine records to an SD card ask your sleep clinic to print off the last months data and submit that with a driver medical form for your C1 application. It'll take them awhile but you should get your C1 back.
 
Jul 24, 2009
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The plates show
1850 which is the max load on the front axle
2000 which is the max load on the rear axle
3500 which is the max weight on the combined axle

This means that if you have the 2000 max on the rear then you can only have 1500 on the front
If you have 1850 on the front then you can only have 1650 on the rear
In other words you can go up to the max on each axle provided that the total doesn't exceed 3500kg and you can have any variation of axle weights so long as you don't exceed 3500kg total.
 
Dec 6, 2011
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As has been said earlier if the weigh bridge showed 1810 front axle and 2220 rear axle then your total weight is 4030 kgs not 3660kgs.
You need to either get it weighed again or check that the figures have been read correctly.

By what you have stated you are 530kgs over weight of which 220 kgs of that is over the back axle.

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Feb 5, 2014
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As a first step, why not empty everything out and get it reweighed. You would then have a baseline value to work from.
Perhaps 3500kg would be enough?
Perhaps you need to upgrade it?

My Aclass is 3500kg and I am happy using it with just the two of us. Upgrading was going to involve larger wheels, suspension changes etc and I reckoned that we would stay at 3500.

Your choice

Go
 

lunarman

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The weighbridge ticket is shown on the OPs second thread here https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/shock-horror-continued-part-2.280990/

The ticket has 2 total weights 3660kg with driver and 3580kg without.
The ticket is also anotated with the rear axle weight of 2220kg on the 3580 weighing. Given this the front axle weight is 3580 - 2220 = 1360kg (without the driver)
On this (3560) weighing the vehicle is 80kg overweight without the driver and the rear axle is 220kg overweight. Adding the driver (80kg) the total overweight is 160kg the weight of the back axle will alter depending on the split of the additional weight front to back. So more than 220kg may need to be removed.
Were the wife and all other items when travelling e.g.food, clothes, water etc. in the van when weighed? If not then the potential overweight could be worse.
 
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The weighbridge ticket is shown on the OPs second thread here https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/shock-horror-continued-part-2.280990/

The ticket has 2 total weights 3660kg with driver and 3580kg without.
The ticket is also anotated with the rear axle weight of 2220kg on the 3580 weighing. Given this the front axle weight is 3580 - 2220 = 1360kg (without the driver)
On this (3560) weighing the vehicle is 80kg overweight without the driver and the rear axle is 220kg overweight. Adding the driver (80kg) the total overweight is 160kg the weight of the back axle will alter depending on the split of the additional weight front to back. So more than 220kg may need to be removed.
Were the wife and all other items when travelling e.g.food, clothes, water etc. in the van when weighed? If not then the potential overweight could be worse.

I'll stick it here to make things easier for everybody and put it the right way up 👍

as ChrisL says no need to loose your licence for sleep apnoea,my clinic sends a report to the doctors after I see them about every 18 months,print it off and send it with C1 application 👍

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Oct 7, 2013
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Just out of interest has anyone on this forum ever been stopped and asked to do a weight check on their Motorhome?
Yes. Several years we were pulled over on the A38 and weighed, tyres checked etc. the m/h was only three months old so tyres were perfect and we were under the total permitted weight.
 

Minxy

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It was built to take 3650kg. But been down plated. So it's registered and legal at 3500kg.

With a paper exercise, you can get it re-plated to 3650kg. Maybe even as high as 3850kg. As long as you have a C1 licence to drive it.
Theoretically your van is capable of carrying 3850 (the 2 axles maximum) but it is registered at 3500 kgs therefore if you cannot load the entirety above 3500 OR over the weight of each axle.

Uprating is easy if you have C1
That won't help though as even if he re-plates to 3650/3850 he will still be way over on the rear axle, the only 2 options are to lose a lot of weight to bring both axles within the permitted capacities as well as within the overall MAM, or add additional suspension (semi-air) on the rear along with the tyres for higher index ones if they aren't suitable for a heavier rear axle capacity, of course this will cost money but I certainly wouldn't want to be using it whilst the rear axle is way over it's maximum capacity, not only could it cause handling issues but may also affect braking ... or cause damage to the axle etc.
 

suavecarve

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That won't help though as even if he re-plates to 3650/3850 he will still be way over on the rear axle
You perhaps missed the bit "OR over the weight of each axle"

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lunarman

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Ive just been looking at the specified weights for the 2016 P650 it gives a payload of 670kg so he is 220kg over weight so has atleast 870kg of crap (his word not mine) makes you wonder whats in there. :LOL:

Might be a good idea to remove everything and go and weigh it with just himself and his wife to see how much crap he can put back.
 
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BillyS
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I am carrying 2 Dyu bikes (14" wheels) in the garage, at 19.5 Kg each, plus a Quest Pro 4 Pop up tent, weighing 12.5 Kg, plus an additional 30 Ltrs of water, 2x 25 mtr hook up cables (they weigh 6kg each) plus hoses, a tool box, 2 camping chairs and a lot of other stuff, like a small camping table, fold up stool, etc. It certainly adds up. Just by getting rid of the water, pop up tent, and 1 hook up cable, I will have got nearly 50 kg lighter. I just loaded it fully, with fuel, water, food etc just to see how much it weighs fully loaded. Now that I know what needs to come out, I have a better idea.
 

Minxy

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You perhaps missed the bit "OR over the weight of each axle"
I was specifically talking about the suggestion to uprate and didn't want to him to think that it would simply solve the problem.

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Minxy

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not to mention an ecoflow Pro, a g tech cordless vacuum cleaner, an extra cpap battery under the lift up bed.
Kitchen sink? :giggle:
 

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