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Minxy Girl

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Since 1996 we've had Elddis, Swift, Rapido, Rimor, Chausson MHs and Autocruise & Globecar PVCs
I suspect, as some others have said, that as it looks like a minibus on one side it doesn't meet the requirement for to be clearly identifiable as a camper/motorhome. Perhaps putting on some decals to say 'campervan' or similar would solve the problem and make it clear it is a camper and not a minibus which I assume it was when originally made.

This is the bit I think you are falling foul of as the graphics don't sufficiently differentiate it as a motor caravan.

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Lenny HB

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Wind out awning is fitted to nearside, see photo, it has an opening side window in the sliding door and an electric step that isn’t asked for but all adds with the decals to the Motorcaravan ambiance, short of taking the person away with us and cooking him a meal on our Deisel powered hob and microwave, I am flummoxed as to what I can do exempt I suppose I can have a ‘adventure before dementia’ sticker on the side, but that may be a ly as some days I think Dementia has already set in 🤪🤪🤪 View attachment 411395
DVLA must be blind, no way does that look like anything other than a Motorhome/camper.
 

Geo

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I can confirm from personal experience that the visual appearance is a hogwash explanation

Classify this vehicle for me if you can not the Mini I know thats a Car 18767757_10158800205700187_7838081928224765516_n.jpg

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The ironic thing is that the DVLA are saying that they are doing this as it how the police and other authorities would describe the van. During the lock down period how many vehicles looking like the OP's would be ignored by the police assuming it was not a campervan.
 

Minxy Girl

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Flat bed truck?

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Geo

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No point dragging it out as your all attuned to DVLA now
When I built it from a whit rose weekly shopping delivery thingy iw was just a van
in my infinite wisdom when i had finished I thought it looked like a recovery vehicle almost identical apart from age to my previous "Recovery" vehicle, I was wrong I sent in the request please re classify as a Recovery vehicle The reply I got was
Sorry this classification is not possible, the correct class is FLAT BED LORRY see new vt5 :doh:

I replied with these two pics and said I sent 4 of my employees and a visiting PC outside and said if wanted the recovery bringing in which one would you pick
I got exactly the same response even Plod said if reported it stolen as a flat bed, my recovery would not be on his radar i was fuming, that was 5 years ago its still a flatbed lorry
So Pleeeeeeese dont tell me it's a visual thing

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OP
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Assuming you are not using all the side windows, perhaps you could apply white sticky backed plastic/Fablon over the redundant windows to break up that long expanse of glass. This would make it less like a hotel bus and more like a campervan. The roof does not look particularly high, if you cannot stand up easily in the van that can cause a problem with DVLA.
Van is a High top with loads of headroom, thanks for the suggestion re. Breaking the window outline up with fablon, but I wanted the clean straight through glass look when I planned the conversion. I am not a lover of plastic caravan windows they are generally cheaply made and a security issue.
 
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I've just had the same result however I wasn't adding an extra window on one side for the sake of it and the roll out awning is an option even on high end campers so why is that a distinguishable feature? I have a Fiamma bike rack on the back of ours they still rejected it as a camper.

As for your conversion, it has all the features on the checklist as far as I can see and have no idea why they have rejected it.

It was interesting reading in the previous post about the speed limits and good to know I can get the foot down on the way to the continent however should probably knock a few mph off on the road back with all the booze I'm carrying!
 
OP
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The above link https://www.jerbacampervans.co.uk/motorcaravan-and-campervan-speed-limits/ states the below.....I wonder where has the highlighted text has came from and if correct has any relevance?

Just to confuse, the DVLA have a different definition of a motorcaravan (the classification under Body Type section D5 on your V5C Registration Certificate) which was of course updated in 2019 to include a fixed high top roof, an awning “bar” on both sides, motorcaravan style exterior graphic etc;
Not true, awning bar on either side ,not both sides.
 
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would the Police think it was a 17 seater minibus rather than a camper van ?
hich is why the police want to be able to tell at a glance whether a van is likely to be commercial or a camper van.
Can you explain to me where all these "police" are ? i've never seen a proper one only the doughnut men?
If we are talking off cameras ,they don't count as could be any one viewing .


Which plainly states under 3,05T national speed limit & with dvla's explanation

Great, but the OP vehicle is classed as a Van With Windows NOT a motor caravan.
If you’re happy that your campervan fulfils the description of “permanently installed equipment, the facilities which are reasonably necessary for enabling the vehicle to provide mobile living accommodation for its users”, then the national speed limits apply.

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Not true, awning bar on either side ,not both sides.
Well that’s what I thought too, as I certainly haven’t seen that in any of the DVLA documentation.

My point being if that was wrong in that link that was posted.....what else was wrong from that source.

As my original post....it’s a lottery who reviews your application on the day. 😤
 
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I have also recently tried to change the classification of my Citroen Relay from Van to Motor caravan and have had the same response in that it has been reclassified as a van with windows.

Whilst everyone is correct in that it doesn't alter the way you can you the vehicle it does impinge quite significantly on one issue which has not previously been raised.

My van is very close to the weight limit of 3500kg. Now that in itself is not a problem, per se, as it is based on the heavy duty chassis and running gear and therefore it can be re-plated to 3900 or 4200kg as a "paper exercise" without any equipment upgrades.

However, there is a problem... if it had been classified as a motor caravan then the re-plating is just a paper exercise. As it has been classified as a van with windows then it is still a commercial vehicle and if I want to re-plate it at a higher weight then it is subject to different rules. This means I would have to install tachograph and be subject to different speed limits plus driver hours limitations which obviously is too restrictive.

So, just a word of caution to those of you carrying out a conversion .... if you need to re-plate the van the classification of the van IS important!

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