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Do I need one on an empty rack going to France Spain and possibly Portugal

Thanks Paul
 
As Peter say`s,,,, best get one...

I know if an attachment sticks out/protrudes further than the original vehicle build, then yes..

But not sure what the extra is..
 
Yeah thanks I'll get onto Johns cross and get them to post to me pronto. Was going to order online tonight but wanna make sure I get it in time.

Thanks for replying
 
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old-mo said:
As Peter say`s,,,, best get one...

I know if an attachment sticks out/protrudes further than the original vehicle build, then yes..

But not sure what the extra is..
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Anything more than 1m front or back, or 330mm either side.
Although trying telling that to Johnny Halfwit and his overloaded brat-transporter. Saw one last week, a 5 series BMW estate with 5 bikes hanging off the back - you couldn't clearly see much of his lights, or his number plate.

The Fiamma warning sign can be used in any country except Italy, where it has to be of metal construction.
Although the standard Fiamma sign feels very flimsy - could be correx
 
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BUT !
As an aside you should now also carry TWO triangles !
 
but thanks to teknik155. I have got 3 triangles.

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If that rack is empty , can it not be folded up.. ?

then no need for warning board.
 
I am also of the understanding that you need 2 triangles. Not just Spain but generally across Europe. Don't know where I got it from and not sure if it is just a recommendation or if it is indeed a law. Anyway, I have 2 on board just in case.

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Is it not 2 triangles and a Hi-Vis for everyone in the vehicle in Spain.

Seem to remember that from driving to Valencia during the volcanic eruption several years ago.

Hymie
 
Requirements , Country by country here ..

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/overseas/countrybycountry.html


triangles in Spain .. also note spare tyre required..

  • Spare tyre – and the equipment to change the tyre or a tyre repair kit.

  •  Warning triangle - one warning triangle compulsory for foreign registered vehicles

    but carrying two is recommended as, in an accident/breakdown situation; local officials may impose a fine if only one is produced. Not required for two wheeled vehicles.


 
And a set of "Spare Bulbs" is not a legal requirement in Spain, Now.. (y)
 
does Spain require a kitchen sink?
ScotJimland said:
Spare tyre – and the equipment to change the tyre or a tyre repair kit.
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ScotJimland, does this mean a repair kit without a spare is OK?
 
Have we moved from Chevron boards to warning triangle.

I have read that they are required for an overhang BUT if you have a towbar bike rack with lighting and numberplate then it is not counted as an overhang and a board is not strictly necessary.

We always use the plastic one for France and Spain but have read that Italy require an aluminium board( £30 made by Italian company Fiamma ???)and that's expensive.

Can anyone confirm the definition of an overhang.

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CWH said:
does Spain require a kitchen sink?

ScotJimland, does this mean a repair kit without a spare is OK?
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I think a sink is optional.. :D

No idea if a repair kit is ok or not.. but somehow I doubt it... only one way to find out ;)
 
I ask because ours doesn't have a spare, just one of those inflators that injects a sealant - same as in our Audi - means you can keep travelling for a shortish distance at a lowish speed.
 
webby1 said:
Can anyone confirm the definition of an overhang.
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An overhang is any part of the vehicle or accessory protruding beyond the centre line of the rear axle.

There is maximum limit of 60% of the vehicles wheelbase.

ie: a 3mtr wheelbase will allow a maximum of 2mtrs rearwards of the rear axle centre line.

That 2mtrs includes bodywork and any accessory such as a towbar or bike rack.
 
Or......

overhang
the distance measured horizontally and parallel to the longitudinal axis of a vehicle between two transverse planes passing through the following two points—

(a)
the rearmost point of the vehicle exclusive of—

(i)
any expanding or extensible contrivance forming part of a turntable fire escape fixed to a vehicle;

(ii)
in the case of a motor car constructed solely for the carriage of passengers and their effects and adapted to carry not more than eight passengers exclusive of the driver, any luggage carrier fitted to the vehicle; and

(b)
(i)
in the case of a motor vehicle having not more than three axles of which only one is not a steering axle, the centre point of that axle;

(ii)
in the case of a motor vehicle having three axles of which the front axle is the only steering axle and of a motor vehicle having four axles of which the two foremost are the only steering axles, a point 110 mm behind the centre of a straight line joining the centre points of the two rearmost axles; and

(iii)
in any other case a point situated on the longitudinal axis of the vehicle and such that a line drawn from it at right angles to that axis will pass through the centre of the minimum turning circle of the vehicle.
 
webby1 said:
Have we moved from Chevron boards to warning triangle.

I have read that they are required for an overhang BUT if you have a towbar bike rack with lighting and numberplate then it is not counted as an overhang and a board is not strictly necessary.

We always use the plastic one for France and Spain but have read that Italy require an aluminium board( £30 made by Italian company Fiamma ???)and that's expensive.

Can anyone confirm the definition of an overhang.
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If you have towbar/light board that extends for bikes, motorbike ,etc; then there is no requirement for a board.as when outit is classed as the end of the vehicle. Here in Spain any additions like that, as well as bike racks, tow bars, etc; are all itemised on the log book otherwise they are not legal.
Even for foreign vehicles any bike rack on a car requires a lighting board complete with number plates. Even if they do not obscure the lights from behind the definition of obscured is when you move 30º to one or other side. You now cannot see the far side lights, whereas with a lighting board & plate all is good.
I Spain ,legally, nothing can stick out behind,even on a roof rack, without a sign board.Nothing can stick out past the wing mirrors & they absloutely hate anything overhanging in front.
The only signage board that is legal in Spain is a metal or aluminium one.This is due to degradation due to the sun of other materials. Normally they don't worry if you have a plastic one as anything is better than nothing , but if you get a jobsworth trafico then he will book you.
Triangle's. 2 are required in Spain ; it may say one's ok for foreigners but there are specific distances that the triangles must be placed when broken down & these differ depending on what type of road you are on. When on a single lane 2 direction road one has to be placed 50m behind & the other 50m in front !

The list of of obscure offences that can be dragged up is endless.:LOL:

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If I remember correctly in Spain you need two triangles on single carriageway one placed 20 metres front and rear on dual carriageway one placed 20 metres and one 40 metres at rear
 

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