Production of domestic and motorhome gas boilers to to end in twelve years time.

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You only have to walk the dog on a cold frosty morning to be aware that nearly every home is bellowing CO2 saturated water vapor from their CH boiler flue's. It is now rumored that the sales of gas boilers should be phased out by 2033 as part of efforts to cut greenhouse gas emissions which account for 17% of the UK's climate pollution.
I can understand the new build requirement where gas boilers will be replaced by low-carbon heating systems built after 2025 but what will be replacing the multi millions of existing boilers in homes and motorhomes by 2033 when domestic gas boilers will be phased out. It is only 12 years away it will never happen. Will it?

 

[Ivory55]

If there was less people then less boilers would be needed. Till then I am not interested.

 

[MC 55 FUN]

But what about people that don't have dogs to walk . . . . will they be aware too ? . . .

 

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But what about people that don't have dogs to walk . . . . will they be aware too ? . . .

The male gender will understand but not so sure about the others, heating to them is still a bit of a mystery as long as it is warm to get up to.

 

[Gromett]

You only have to walk the dog on a cold frosty morning to be aware that nearly every home is bellowing CO2 saturated water vapor from their CH boiler flue's. It is now rumored that the sales of gas boilers should be phased out by 2033 as part of efforts to cut greenhouse gas emissions which account for 17% of the UK's climate pollution.
I can understand the new build requirement where gas boilers will be replaced by low-carbon heating systems built after 2025 but what will be replacing the multi millions of existing boilers in homes and motorhomes by 2033 when domestic gas boilers will be phased out. It is only 12 years away it will never happen. Will it?

That was a recommendation from a committee. It is not government policy. I can't actually seeing it become policy either for the simple reason is that 2033 is only 8 years after 2025. How long does a boiler last? Someone who buys a new build with a gas boiler in 2024 probably won't be happy being forced to replace it in 2033.

I can see a compromise being that by 2035 no new gas boilers will be allowed in existing installations. That gives us 15 years to ramp up generation capacity.

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[CazPaul]

That was a recommendation from a committee. It is not government policy. I can't actually seeing it become policy either for the simple reason is that 2033 is only 8 years after 2025. How long does a boiler last? Someone who buys a new build with a gas boiler in 2024 probably won't be happy being forced to replace it in 2033.

I can see a compromise being that by 2035 no new gas boilers will be allowed in existing installations. That gives us 15 years to ramp up generation capacity.

9 years will be about right for the life of a gas boiler with the trash they churn out today.
Sisters gas boiler is well over 30 years old, the old chap who services it every year said please don't get a new one they are cheaply built rubbish.

 

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That was a recommendation from a committee. It is not government policy. I can't actually seeing it become policy either for the simple reason is that 2033 is only 8 years after 2025. How long does a boiler last? Someone who buys a new build with a gas boiler in 2024 probably won't be happy being forced to replace it in 2033.

I can see a compromise being that by 2035 no new gas boilers will be allowed in existing installations. That gives us 15 years to ramp up generation capacity.

Ramp up generation capacity and ramp down electrical unit cost. Using electricity to heat a home is at todays prices unaffordable for most home owners. Is there going to be a >50% giveaway by our generating cartels. Sorry I cant see this happening. Not to mention the huge hype in demand with EVs and domestic heating for starters.

 

[tonka]

Electric boilers and radiators...
Just search youtube.

My friend and his family own many properties themselves and run a company looking after a few hundred more for other people. Lots of the owners are already moving over when they refurb a property as it also save them the requirements for gas inspections.

We used to have a gas fire in our lounge, it was one of those flueless types and meant to very efficient.
When it was time to change I costed up the price of a replacement, fitting by an approved company plus ongoing service costs. In the end i bought a 2kw electric fire for £120 and to be honest it does the job for what we need. I can run that for years and years for what a replacement gas fire would have been.

 

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Electric boilers and radiators...
Just search youtube.

My friend and his family own many properties themselves and run a company looking after a few hundred more for other people. Lots of the owners are already moving over when they refurb a property as it also save them the requirements for gas inspections.

We used to have a gas fire in our lounge, it was one of those flueless types and meant to very efficient.
When it was time to change I costed up the price of a replacement, fitting by an approved company plus ongoing service costs. In the end i bought a 2kw electric fire for £120 and to be honest it does the job for what we need. I can run that for years and years for what a replacement gas fire would have been.

When the wife wants a bath does she take the electric fire with her, now that would be illegal in a bath room. OK she suffers a cold bathroom but will she settle for cold bath water too.

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[joe and sue]

As i keep asking, "Where is all of this electricity going to come from, and can the current infrastructure cope with the additional loading ?
Sorry for the pun
Joe

 

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As i keep asking, "Where is all of this electricity going to come from, and can the current infrastructure cope with the additional loading ?
Sorry for the pun
Joe

It is going to be a massive undertaking, local transformer upgrades alone will cost a fortune, not to mention the cable infrastructure. Hope this money tree still has some leaves.

 

[Richard n Ann]

Ground source, air to air and air to water AC is more efficient. Our AC runs at 1100w but outputs 3.5kw of heat

 

[MC 55 FUN]

What about those of us in the sticks with oil ( kerosene ) fuelled boilers ?

Are they included ?

 

[nicholsong]

It would be interesting if gas boilers in MHs were banned. What would be the alternative suggested by the authorities? Maybe diesel, at the same time as banning diesel ICE vehicles?

Or even more batteries in EV MHs to run the heating and up the requirements for charging and the weight of the MH?

Geoff

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[Gromett]

Ramp up generation capacity and ramp down electrical unit cost. Using electricity to heat a home is at todays prices unaffordable for most home owners. Is there going to be a >50% giveaway by our generating cartels. Sorry I cant see this happening. Not to mention the huge hype in demand with EVs and domestic heating for starters.

There is a big difference between using radiant or storage heaters using electricity and a heat pump.
The direct method of electrical heating requires 100% of the heat to come from electric.
With a heat pump you only need 1KWh per 4KWh of heat generated. It should in theory actually be cheaper to operate than an older gas boiler. However, they do need to work on bringing the price of the heat pumps down and improving the packaging.

 

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There is a big difference between using radiant or storage heaters using electricity and a heat pump.
The direct method of electrical heating requires 100% of the heat to come from electric.
With a heat pump you only need 1KWh per 4KWh of heat generated. It should in theory actually be cheaper to operate than an older gas boiler. However, they do need to work on bringing the price of the heat pumps down and improving the packaging.

And adapting it for use in flats and multi occupancy housing could make it an impossible dream. £££

 

[Snowbird]

Liverpool city council declared some time ago that Liverpool would be 100% carbon neutral by 2030. We took out the gas boiler and gas meter and fitted a woodburner which is classed as 100% carbon neutral and fitted 4kw of solar panels which not only cope with 100% of our electricity needs, but also supply hot water and give me a return on the feed in tariff. I know they are a bit slow dahn sarf but us northerners are well ahead of the game

 

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Luckily, I don’t think the change will happen very quickly. Change on the proposed scale is likely to swap one set of familiar problems with others, yet unknown.

If we are to use heat pumps, stealing heat from around us, I wonder how much that will impact on our surroundings?

 

[bilM]

replaced by low-carbon heating systems

So how will this low carbon heating systems work and what fuel will it use.

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[Snowbird]

So how will this low carbon heating systems work and what fuel will it use.

Electric....THEY have invested shed loads of money in wind farms and solar farms and now have so much electric THEY dont know what to do with it. One of the main reasons they are pushing everyone to buy an electric car. Once we are all on electric THEY will put the price up. Thats how THEY work.

 

[Reallyretired]

Luckily, I don’t think the change will happen very quickly. Change on the proposed scale is likely to swap one set of familiar problems with others, yet unknown.

If we are to use heat pumps, stealing heat from around us, I wonder how much that will impact on our surroundings?

Shouldnt make any difference, the heat you pump in will find its own way out through the inevitable heat loss, then you can pump it back in again.
Law of conservation of energy has not been repealed

 

[Swozer]

Luckily, I don’t think the change will happen very quickly. Change on the proposed scale is likely to swap one set of familiar problems with others, yet unknown.

If we are to use heat pumps, stealing heat from around us, I wonder how much that will impact on our surroundings?

1. the amount of heat we will steal is completely insignificant to the amount of energy in the earth/air
2. it will quickly escape from our homes back into the environment anyway

 

[Swozer]

Electric....THEY have invested shed loads of money in wind farms and solar farms and now have so much electric THEY dont know what to do with it. One of the main reasons they are pushing everyone to buy an electric car. Once we are all on electric THEY will put the price up. Thats how THEY work.

Also hydrogen produced from the spare electricity from renewables (aka "green hydrogen"), which can be part fed into new hydrogen-ready gas boilers (I think mix of 80% natural gas; 20% H?).

 

[Swozer]

All this will happen. In the same way that we moved away from coal and town gas and chimneys in the sixties/seventies.

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[Gromett]

Luckily, I don’t think the change will happen very quickly. Change on the proposed scale is likely to swap one set of familiar problems with others, yet unknown.

If we are to use heat pumps, stealing heat from around us, I wonder how much that will impact on our surroundings?

It won't impact our surroundings. The air/earth is massive in comparison to our houses. Then it all leaks out again so net balance.

 

[Gromett]

So how will this low carbon heating systems work and what fuel will it use.

Heat pumps running on electric from wind turbines or grid scale storage.

 

[Gromett]

Thats how THEY work.

Who is THEY?

 

[SpeedyDux]

How many years will it take for a heat pump installation to amortise its capital cost through savings?

Last year my gas bill was about £466. If my (small) house was 100% electric, the heating cost would have been well over £2000.

Banning new gas boilers is not going to be a vote winner.

The PVC has a Truma Combi diesel boiler/heater so as long as I can put diesel in the tank it will be warm inside.

 

[Swozer]

How many years will it take for a heat pump installation to amortise its capital cost through savings?

Last year my gas bill was about £466. If my (small) house was 100% electric, the heating cost would have been well over £2000.

Banning new gas boilers is not going to be a vote winner.

The PVC has a Truma Combi diesel boiler/heater so as long as I can put diesel in the tank it will be warm inside.

Many years; and you have hit the nail on the head. How will all this be financed? Lots of people working on this now. The problem is true costs of carbon have not been priced into fossil fuels, so we have got carbon cheap over last 100 years and will have to pay catch-up costs over next twenty to reduce/slow the damage caused.

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