Parking in Laybys on main roads.

[Ivory55]

Owned by his son now called John!

 

[2657]

Well any speed OVER 56 mph for more than a minute will result in 'overspeed' on the digital tachograph and subsequently an infringement which can be used against the driver up to 28 days after the infringement. Speed limiters ARE set at 56 mph and if you get an infringement then you can also be prosecuted for a faulty speed limiter.
My sat nav shows EXACTLY 56 mph when I'm at maximum speed. You don't have to disengage the engine to achieve higher speeds but if you 'let it go' without without engine derating or braking for more than a minute, then you will be prosecuted. Equally, over 60 mph will result in an overspeed irrespective of how long. The sheer weight of a fully laden vehicle will push you over 56 mph and its the drivers responsibility to maintain 56 or less.
Incidentally, digital tachographs can be remotely read by the Police and VOSA as you pass and as I've discussed on here before, they'll get you. Any driver that speeds should be prosecuted in whatever vehicle they drive.
Notch up 2 speeding infringements (or other offences), then the courts also report the HGV/PSV driver to the Traffic Commissioner who can (and does) suspend or withdraw the vocational licence (particularly in Yorkshire).

The speed limit on motorways is 60mph, overspeed infrigements(ie over 56 mph) are only infringements of rules of the employer and will not result in prosecution.

Persistent overspeeds may well lead to an appearance before a traffic commissioner and loss of vocational licence, obviously this would have to be over a lengthy period of time and serious overspeeds.

I have never heard of a prosecution for a speeding offence solely off tachograph records and as far as I know is not possible, the loss of a vocational licence as mentioned above is a possibility though.

 

[busby]

OR??. The unthinkable?. Reduce the population.!!!. There are a multitude of ways, ranging from simple birth control, to Euthanasia!. (that should get the "liberal Elite" going?)

Something wrong there,,i never said that,,,,BUSBY,,

 

[EX51SSS]

The speed limit on motorways is 60mph, overspeed infrigements(ie over 56 mph) are only infringements of rules of the employer and will not result in prosecution.

Yes, the speed limit is 60 mph but limiter MUST be set to 56 mph and CAN and HAVE been prosecuted for failing to maintain the speed limiter

 

[2657]

Yes, the speed limit is 60 mph but limiter MUST be set to 56 mph and CAN and HAVE been prosecuted for failing to maintain the speed limiter

Yes, having a faulty or incorrectly calibrated speed limiter is a serious offence but it is not a speeding offence.

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[busby]

Not necessarily. I said that on the basis of available information the wagon driver was at fault and so far there's nothing to suggest that the same can be said of the car driver.

If the requirement to have lights on a parked vehicle outside of a built up area have not been enforced for over 40 years who is going to be the first to obay such a law..Its LAW for all Hackney carriages to carry a bale of hay so as to feed the horse,,still law today,,,would you be the one to do it,,BUSBY

That is why I preferred the VOLVO system where day running lights were (Dimmed headlights) front and back lights on, as soon as the engine started.

Before they were fitted most people didn't use running lights in poor visibility anyway,,BUSBY.

 

[busby]

Well yes the limiters are (supposed) to be set at that, but I do not think the law on speed limits supports that. - my experience in Poland and comparing with satnav speed, is that some are not. Anyway driving with the engine disengaged on a steep incline can achieve well over 60mph.

I normally drive the MH in the inside lane at just over the 56mph, to avoid impeding HGVs but many times I have had them up my chuff.

Geoff

But are you doing 56 mph on your speedo or 56 mph on your sat nav,,56 mph on your speedo is probably only 52 mph,,BUSBY,,

 

[EX51SSS]

Yes, having a faulty or incorrectly calibrated speed limiter is a serious offence but it is not a speeding offence.

However, doesn't have to be faulty or incorrectly calibrated to speed. Apparently, they've always said they wouldn't prosecute on tachograph alone but it can be the witness and that's where it's applicable

 

[airwave]

Immediately after a dry spell. I'm still not sure of the context.

There is no context , it does not depend on this , or depend on that , it's not a trick question , it's a pure honest basic question . A wet road is at it's most dangerous just after it begin's to rain's , in extreme condition's it can as slippery as ice . Such a shame it took you 2 day's to answer , you should have walked all over that one .

Now in the case of your question we do have a problem , because as already has been pointed out , the context to it , does indeed not exist . In the highly unlikely event , i did happen to find myself on an empty road . I would be on main beam , however even on a motorway , traffic coming from the other direction would be feeding me information as to what is in front of me from their own light's . So for that reason the answer to your question is 56 , come rain or shine , day or night often on cruise control , however my driving style would change , in way of braking , and cornering , purely down to the basic question i asked you . Traffic condition's aside , only two thing's would cause me to adjust my speed , fog , or heavy rain causing a reduction in visibility . Any reduction for any other reason could possibly cause an accident with some one running into me from behind , yet i do see it .

I was berated by two HGV drivers on a recent forum post

Well you can count me , HGV driver of 34 year's with a clean licence , as totally agreeing with you . A speed limit is the maximum for that road , NOT a target . However with that said it's not a licence to drive at 20 , in a 30 limit as some do . I believe the term is , making normal progress , not window shopping .

Fail on car test as well ."failing to keep up with the flow of traffic "

Ah , much better way of putting it . Thank's mate .

but many times I have had them up my chuff.

That's where cruise control help's out .

Well any speed OVER 56 mph for more than a minute will result in 'overspeed'

Have to admit i thought it was 2 minute's , lol . Still the interesting thing is the maximum speed for vehicle's over 7.5 ton is actually still 60 , well 62 (100kph) . It was never changed only that by law they must be limited to 56 (90kph) . Cpc course's are good for something , me ol mucker .

 

[2657]

However, doesn't have to be faulty or incorrectly calibrated to speed. Apparently, they've always said they wouldn't prosecute on tachograph alone but it can be the witness and that's where it's applicable

You have lost me a bit now, obviously a truck will speed on the over run downhill regardless of speed limiter calibration.

Tachograph evidence cannot be used as the sole evidence for speeding offences but can be used to show a history of speeding usually in dangerous driving prosecutions or determining punishment.

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[John & Joan]

Absolutely true. I had to keep my speed up, as much as possible in a 30 mph area and as soon as I got to 40 mph area, I had to attain that speed as quickly and as safely as possible and similarly with 50 and 60 mph area. It was 60 mph maximum then but since reduced to 56 mph. However, the single track road that is national speed limit, we were restricted to 40 mph but now 50 mph and dual carriageways, was 50 mph, now 56 mph but the overriding factor is drive within the conditions.

Make progress Yes. Push other driver to attain the max to speed limit under any conditions goes against the Highway Code.

 

[2657]

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Have to admit i thought it was 2 minute's , lol . Still the interesting thing is the maximum speed for vehicle's over 7.5 ton is actually still 60 , well 62 (100kph) . It was never changed only that by law they must be limited to 56 (90kph) . Cpc course's are good for something , me ol mucker .

Before EU regulations the speed limit for trucks was 60 mph and still is.....not 100kph.

If your cpc provider told you otherwise then it goes to show what a waste of time the drivers cpc is.

 

[Ivory55]

Before EU regulations the speed limit for trucks was 60 mph and still is.....not 100kph.

If your cpc provider told you otherwise then it goes to show what a waste of time the drivers cpc is.

Unless you have a magnet on your gearbox. Haha

 

[busby]

Before EU regulations the speed limit for trucks was 60 mph and still is.....not 100kph.

If your cpc provider told you otherwise then it goes to show what a waste of time the drivers cpc is.

I can remember it being 60 mph when my old Foden only did 47 mph,,unless of course in silent 6 th,,,then it could hit a good 80 plus coming north on The M one from Junction 22,,,Only when loaded though,,,BUSBY

 

[airwave]

Before EU regulations the speed limit for trucks was 60 mph and still is.....not 100kph.

If your cpc provider told you otherwise then it goes to show what a waste of time the drivers cpc is.

Sorry mate , can't be bothered to argue .

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[Wildbill]

I was parked in a lay bye last night and I got a knock on the door at 130AM to tell me I had left my lights on ok buddy thank you for that I know
There supposed to bee on
That was a British truck driver same agar at 3am I went to site and parked up told security who told me I could park till my induction but could not sleep in my vehicle with a big wink off camera
Bill

 

[EX51SSS]

Make progress Yes. Push other driver to attain the max to speed limit under any conditions goes against the Highway Code.

Did I say that?
I never mentioned push but I did mention within the conditions. As a driver I have to dominant the road but not bully. These are under test conditions.

 

[EX51SSS]

You have lost me a bit now, obviously a truck will speed on the over run downhill regardless of speed limiter calibration.

Tachograph evidence cannot be used as the sole evidence for speeding offences but can be used to show a history of speeding usually in dangerous driving prosecutions or determining punishment.

A truck will exceed the speed limiter settings but its up to the driver to either use the derating or brake.
I did say that they wouldn't prosecute under tachograph alone but can be used as the witness. Police need 2 forms of witness to successfully prosecute. The police and the tacho

 

[EX51SSS]

Have to admit i thought it was 2 minute's , lol . Still the interesting thing is the maximum speed for vehicle's over 7.5 ton is actually still 60 , well 62 (100kph) . It was never changed only that by law they must be limited to 56 (90kph) . Cpc course's are good for something , me ol mucker .

You may be correct with the timing but it was never 62 mph (100 km) in my knowledge (only been doing it for 30+ years. It was and is 60 mph (96 km)

 

[busby]

Just started when it had not long gone up from 30 mph to 40 mph,,,,BUSBY,, Bloody hell 55 years plus legally,,,,Bet some on here can beat that easily,,

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[nicholsong]

Well any speed OVER 56 mph for more than a minute will result in 'overspeed' on the digital tachograph and subsequently an infringement which can be used against the driver up to 28 days after the infringement. Speed limiters ARE set at 56 mph and if you get an infringement then you can also be prosecuted for a faulty speed limiter.
My sat nav shows EXACTLY 56 mph when I'm at maximum speed. You don't have to disengage the engine to achieve higher speeds but if you 'let it go' without without engine derating or braking for more than a minute, then you will be prosecuted. Equally, over 60 mph will result in an overspeed irrespective of how long. The sheer weight of a fully laden vehicle will push you over 56 mph and its the drivers responsibility to maintain 56 or less.
Incidentally, digital tachographs can be remotely read by the Police and VOSA as you pass and as I've discussed on here before, they'll get you. Any driver that speeds should be prosecuted in whatever vehicle they drive.
Notch up 2 speeding infringements (or other offences), then the courts also report the HGV/PSV driver to the Traffic Commissioner who can (and does) suspend or withdraw the vocational licence (particularly in Yorkshire).

I am aware of UK tachograph rules as I have driven under them albeit in 7.5 tonners

But in Romanian and Turkish trucks? I know they have the power to stop foreign trucks, but how do the UK Police prosecute and withdraw the licence? And Turkish Traffic Commissioner? Do they have one?

Geoff

 

[tonyidle]

If the requirement to have lights on a parked vehicle outside of a built up area have not been enforced for over 40 years who is going to be the first to obay such a law..Its LAW for all Hackney carriages to carry a bale of hay so as to feed the horse,,still law today,,,would you be the one to do it,,BUSBY


Before they were fitted most people didn't use running lights in poor visibility anyway,,BUSBY.

I have never parked outside a 30 limit without lights. I can't imagine why anyone would. But then I don't leave rear fogs on when they're not "needed", and I turn off my headlamps when stationary as well. To me it's just common courtesy.

 

[busby]

I have never parked outside a 30 limit without lights. I can't imagine why anyone would. But then I don't leave rear fogs on when they're not "needed", and I turn off my headlamps when stationary as well. To me it's just common courtesy.

Your a one off,,,I have not seen a tail light on a vehicle parked up for years,,,Not saying its wrong,,it just doesn't happen,,BUSBY.

 

[tonyidle]

There is no context , it does not depend on this , or depend on that , it's not a trick question , it's a pure honest basic question . A wet road is at it's most dangerous just after it begin's to rain's , in extreme condition's it can as slippery as ice . Such a shame it took you 2 day's to answer , you should have walked all over that one .

Now in the case of your question we do have a problem , because as already has been pointed out , the context to it , does indeed not exist . In the highly unlikely event , i did happen to find myself on an empty road . I would be on main beam , however even on a motorway , traffic coming from the other direction would be feeding me information as to what is in front of me from their own light's . So for that reason the answer to your question is 56 , come rain or shine , day or night often on cruise control , however my driving style would change , in way of braking , and cornering , purely down to the basic question i asked you . Traffic condition's aside , only two thing's would cause me to adjust my speed , fog , or heavy rain causing a reduction in visibility . Any reduction for any other reason could possibly cause an accident with some one running into me from behind , yet i do see it .

I'm simply playing Devils's advocate (or fishing) with my remarks about 40mph on a dark, wet, motorway. But in the context of the accident we started to discuss it has some relevance. For example oncoming lights on a motorway are, as you say, available to provide visibility (or contrast). They cannot be relied upon because they could disappear or dazzle at a critical moment. We all make assumptions about the road ahead: it isn't ideal and it isn't entirely safe, but we do do it. We assume, for example, that a wagon hasn't left a tyre on the motorway. We know that most times we'll see it and avoid it but we're also aware that if we do not see it until it's too late we're likely to hit it. And still we drive at motorway speeds, in the dark, and when the road is wet.

So to come back to the original discussion: if the driver of the car that was involved in the accident assumed that the layby was clear (because at the point at which he turned in it's unlikely he would see an unlit vehicle), and was travelling a little more quickly than was advisable (perhaps 30 or 40 mph), he would have had difficulty stopping in time. A 30 to 40mph frontal impact can easily result in fatalities.

I think I drive safely and intelligently. I wouldn't argue that I'm any better or worse at it than anyone else with the same approach. In the case of some accidents I'm honest enough to think 'there but for the Grace of God ........ ' when I read about them. And I'm willing to learn something from such unfortunate happenings.

 

[tonyidle]

Your a one off,,,I have not seen a tail light on a vehicle parked up for years,,,Not saying its wrong,,it just doesn't happen,,BUSBY.

Me neither but I've always done it.

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[busby]

I'm simply playing Devils's advocate (or fishing) with my remarks about 40mph on a dark, wet, motorway. But in the context of the accident we started to discuss it has some relevance. For example oncoming lights on a motorway are, as you say, available to provide visibility (or contrast). They cannot be relied upon because they could disappear or dazzle at a critical moment. We all make assumptions about the road ahead: it isn't ideal and it isn't entirely safe, but we do do it. We assume, for example, that a wagon hasn't left a tyre on the motorway. We know that most times we'll see it and avoid it but we're also aware that if we do not see it until it's too late we're likely to hit it. And still we drive at motorway speeds, in the dark, and when the road is wet.

So to come back to the original discussion: if the driver of the car that was involved in the accident assumed that the layby was clear (because at the point at which he turned in it's unlikely he would see an unlit vehicle), and was travelling a little more quickly than was advisable (perhaps 30 or 40 mph), he would have had difficulty stopping in time. A 30 to 40mph frontal impact can easily result in fatalities.

I think I drive safely and intelligently. I wouldn't argue that I'm any better or worse at it than anyone else with the same approach. In the case of some accidents I'm honest enough to think 'there but for the Grace of God ........ ' when I read about them. And I'm willing to learn something from such unfortunate happenings.

I will only drive at a speed that i THINK i am able to stop in the distance i can see or am able to take avoiding action which is quicker and is better at avoiding other vehicles in an emergency,,,I know that when on winding roads if a vehicle was stationary just around a blind bend it would probably not be possible to stop but we should be aware it could happen and be alert to take other actions,,Concentration concentration all the time,,BUSBY.

 

[Dilbert]

Getting back to the 6o mph or 100 klm difference all tachos are calibrated + or _ 5% to account for tyre wear etc. Also Brit motors do 100klm as according to old Peugeot van speedo when in Europe.

 

[EX51SSS]

I am aware of UK tachograph rules as I have driven under them albeit in 7.5 tonners

But in Romanian and Turkish trucks? I know they have the power to stop foreign trucks, but how do the UK Police prosecute and withdraw the licence? And Turkish Traffic Commissioner? Do they have one?

Geoff

How would I know? Incidentally, the police don't withdraw the licence as I made abundantly clear and you obviously realised that it's the Traffic Commissioner that has that power albeit our courts can. The Traffic Commissioner is another stage AFTER the courts have dealt with you. Obviously they can take all your licences away but the Traffic Commissioner can and will give further sanctions. Possibly Romania might have one with being in the EU but Turkey isn't but possibly may have an equivalent but who cares? That has absolutely nothing to do with any arguments on here. Papua New Guinea, apparently doesn't have a Traffic Commissioner either but so what?

 

[EX51SSS]

Also Brit motors do 100klm as according to old Peugeot van speedo when in Europe.

Have I been transported to another world? Where has this 100 km come from? Peugeot has nothing to do with our laws and they can't set higher speed limits than our Government. They have obviously applied French law but try and present you VAN speedo in our courts and I was talking British Law not European or French Law which may be different

 

[tonyidle]

I will only drive at a speed that i THINK i am able to stop in the distance i can see or am able to take avoiding action which is quicker and is better at avoiding other vehicles in an emergency,,,I know that when on winding roads if a vehicle was stationary just around a blind bend it would probably not be possible to stop but we should be aware it could happen and be alert to take other actions,,Concentration concentration all the time,,BUSBY.

That's about where I am too.

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