New European Entry / exit system - I'm exempt (yay) but the wife isn't? (boo?)

[PaulC70]

Have to admit this completely passed me by! Shouldn't have as looks like its been on the cards for several years with delay after delay.
Anyway as an Irish passport holder I'd assume it's not an issue I should be concerned with other than than the fact the wife isn't? So Im assuming she still has to go through the rigmarole even though she's with me?

 

[Bolti]

This is from the EU website, but I am no sure it is correct, as it states you need to be a resident and travelling with an EU national.

The EES does not apply to:​

• Nationals of the European countries using the EES, as well as Cyprus and Ireland
• Non-EU nationals who hold a residence card and are immediately related to an EU national
• Non-EU nationals who hold a residence card or a residence permit and are immediately related to a non-EU national who can travel throughout Europe like an EU citizen
• Non-EU nationals travelling to Europe as part of an intra-corporate transfer or for the purposes of research, studies, training, voluntary service, pupil exchange schemes or educational projects and au-pairing
• Holders of residence permits and long-stay visas
• Nationals of Andorra, Monaco and San Marino and holders of a passport issued by the Vatican City State or the Holy See
• People exempt from border checks or who have been granted certain privileges with respect to border checks (such as heads of state, accredited diplomats, cross-border workers, etc.). Diplomats travelling on short stay may be exempt from EES registration under certain conditions.
  
  The exception from registration in the EES apply to members of the armed forces travelling on NATO or Partnership for Peace business, who hold an identification and individual or collective movement order provided for by the Agreement between the parties to the North Atlantic Treaty regarding the Status of their Forces and may apply to civilian component or dependents referred to in the NATO Status of Forces Agreement.
• People not required to cross external borders solely at border crossing points and during fixed opening hours
• People holding a valid local border traffic permit
• Crew members of passenger and goods trains on international connecting journeys
• People holding a valid Facilitated Rail Transit Document or valid Facilitated Transit Document, provided they travel by train and do not disembark anywhere within the territory of an EU Member State

EES / ETIAS - European Union

travel-europe.europa.eu

 

[Bolti]

You have sent me down a worm hole of EU regulations.
From the faq section why can a man visiting his wife in France not stay more than 90 days?

Example 1
You are an American citizen, living in New York City. You are 17 years old and the son of a German national. You want to visit your father, who does not live in Germany, but in Spain.
In this case, you will be registered in the EES as a family member. Reduced data retention rules will apply to you, while the automated calculator will not.
Example 2
You are an American citizen, living in New York City. You are married to a French national, and you want to visit them in France, where they live.
In this case, you will be registered in the EES as a regular traveller and not as a family member. The general data retention rules and automated calculator will apply to you.

 

[tomgrey]

Ah, but. And there are many of them. In the latter example he is travelling to visit his wife, but he is not travelling with her. I believe that makes a difference. When your wife travels with you, an Irish passport holder, she is granted the same rights as you. But if she were to travel alone, as in the example, this may not apply. Let's see what others say.

 

[Bolti]

Ah, but. And there are many of them. In the latter example he is travelling to visit his wife, but he is not travelling with her. I believe that makes a difference. When your wife travels with you, an Irish passport holder, she is granted the same rights as you. But if she were to travel alone, as in the example, this may not apply. Let's see what others say.

So why is the son not restricted to 90 days he is also travelling alone?

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[PaulC70]

Oh god, I may just have to ask at the ports lol. It's very confusing

 

[gus-lopez]

You have sent me down a worm hole of EU regulations.
From the faq section why can a man visiting his wife in France not stay more than 90 days?

Example 1
You are an American citizen, living in New York City. You are 17 years old and the son of a German national. You want to visit your father, who does not live in Germany, but in Spain.
In this case, you will be registered in the EES as a family member. Reduced data retention rules will apply to you, while the automated calculator will not.
Example 2
You are an American citizen, living in New York City. You are married to a French national, and you want to visit them in France, where they live.
In this case, you will be registered in the EES as a regular traveller and not as a family member. The general data retention rules and automated calculator will apply to you.

So why is the son not restricted to 90 days he is also travelling alone?

Probably because he is classed as a child.so would be exempt as classed as a family member. That is probably why the age is stated. If he was 18+ then he would e as example two

 

[nicholsong]

Oh god, I may just have to ask at the ports lol. It's very confusing

You will probably have to queue up just to ask.

Make sure you get in the right queue to ask! Catch 22 applies..

 

[jerryz]

I have UK and Austrian citizenship so has my daughter and grand kids so we are exempt, but my wife has to get a Schengen visa before entering EU its a right hassle

 

[Raul]

I have UK and Austrian citizenship so has my daughter and grand kids so we are exempt, but my wife has to get a Schengen visa before entering EU its a right hassle

I was not aware that Austria allows for dual citizenship. Lucky you.

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[jerryz]

I was not aware that Austria allows for dual citizenship. Lucky you