Jones’s Maiden Voyage

[Rog NotJane]

I think you did right....
I believe the van could do it ok but one false move into too deep a rut and you could potentially land on your ear... although It would been great to chat to the 4x4 guy and see what he thought was and wasn't feasible, it's alright going up that track in an old Massey or a battered 4x4 jeep but a different ball game in a £160k+ motorhome!
I'd say out of all of us I'll be the first one to go arse over tit in my yoke!

Yep, I think it could have done it but the risk reward isn’t worth it. Also, much more rain was forecast and down that in the wet could be a whole different ball game.

 

[Rog NotJane]

I’m just looking in more detail at the depiction of Hell. There’s a massive dolphin bottom right breathing fire underneath the man having his bottom nailed up. More interesting though is what exactly this person did wrong in order to spend eternity wearing balloons.

 

[The Coops]

I’m just looking in more detail at the depiction of Hell. There’s a massive dolphin bottom right breathing fire underneath the man having his bottom nailed up. More interesting though is what exactly this person did wrong in order to spend eternity wearing balloons.

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Perhaps bubonic plague representation?

 

[Jane NotRog]

The map

 

[Rog NotJane]

Perhaps bubonic plague representation?

Surely having bubonic plague is bad enough punishment. To then make someone wear balloons just because of that seems over the top even for Satan and his goblins.

I think I have the correct solution, this unfortunate soul is being forced to attend - or even perform in - a burlesque show for all eternity.

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[Rog NotJane]

One of the best bits about this time of year is that Flynn’s early walk is just about at sunrise. Today Romania put on a belter. It was so good I texted Jane and she got up early for a looky look.

Early today.​

Making the most of the early morning cold (7C when I first went out! Lucky we brought long trousers and woolly socks) we took Flynn for a walk up the opposite hill. We were joined by three street dogs who we think live around the monastery and cafes at the bottom of the hill but do part time work cadging off camper vans. Whatever, they all had great fun - these three were all pretty young and they spent most of the walk play fighting and chasing each other.



Before leaving we had time for a little maintenance. Our outside lights (well three of the… seven!) had stopped working just before we left. Our dealer, M&C in Hull, helped me diagnose a loose earthing lead in the cable-loom-from-hell.

Some wires in a cupboard.​

Dog walked and lights fixed we were on the road for more monastery fun by 9am - the best time to catch a nun in the wild. Except for delays. We got stuck behind a herd of cows, a funeral, several horses and carts and a well aged wobbly cyclist.

Cows and wobbly cyclist.​

So, slightly later than hoped; Moldovita or in full: The Church of the Annunciation of the Monastery of Moldovita or, for short: the red one. Notable frescoes here are a depiction of the siege of Constantinople. This siege was obviously big news in C16 as, despite happening in 626CE every single one of these monasterys seems to have a depiction. None as good as the one at The Church of the Annunciation of the Monastery of Moldovita though. Judge for yourself:

Earlier last millennia in Constantinople​

In The Car Park Adjoining The Church of the Annunciation of the Monastery of Moldovita we bumped into a Belgian we’d originally met in Camping Păstrăvul a few days ago. He’s travelling on his own and is very chatty. This part of Romania seems like the NC500 - we keep bumping into the same people. Whatever, he chattered away at us for a while then disappeared. His parting words: “If we meet three times, I’ll give you a Belgian beer”.

Next monastery: the green one. In addition to the Siege of Constantinople we noticed something else all these places have: catering supplies of Holy Water.

Saints queueing up to besiege Constantinople
​

Holy on the right, haunted on the left.​

This wasn’t the best though. Yesterday at Bârsana Monarstery (The wooden one) we saw this. A holy water TAP!

In bulk!​

Note that there’s a Hozelok connector on it - no wonder these monasteries all have such lovely roses. If our hose had been longer we could have filled up Jones with holy water. Jane suggested if it really was holy water, we might be able to use it instead of diesel.

Then lunch, where we met…

If you meet this man, meet him again. Twice.​

He came good on his promise too, I now own a tiny can of Jupiler.

Next up: The Church of a Resurrection of the Monastery of Sucevița (the green one). Here the most notable fresco was of the ladder of virtue showing pious monks and priests ascending the 38 steps to divinity whilst the impious fell to hell - a bit like ecclesiastical snakes and ladders. Anyway, the ladder was being restored so we had to make do with The Siege of Constantinople (green version).

Saints failing to besiege Constantinople​

There are limits to how many frescoes and monestaries you can see in a day no matter how many colours they come in. Mine is higher than most but even I was done by now. Jane was looking at her watch by the time we’d seen six sieges of Constantinople.

We went over one more mountain pass - Jane’s fear of heights continues to be normal not gibbering in the corner shouting “make it stop!” - to Camping Christiana near to Humor Monestery (red and brown). But that is a Siege of Constantinople for tomorrow.

We spent the rest of the afternoon contesting the Plantagenet wars in miniature:

England one, Wales nil, Scottish one, French three.​

 

[Wanders from Glos]

One of the best bits about this time of year is that Flynn’s early walk is just about at sunrise. Today Romania put on a belter. It was so good I texted Jane and she got up early for a looky look.

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Early today.​

Making the most of the early morning cold (7C when I first went out! Lucky we brought long trousers and woolly socks) we took Flynn for a walk up the opposite hill. We were joined by three street dogs who we think live around the monastery and cafes at the bottom of the hill but do part time work cadging off camper vans. Whatever, they all had great fun - these three were all pretty young and they spent most of the walk play fighting and chasing each other.



Before leaving we had time for a little maintenance. Our outside lights (well three of the… seven!) had stopped working just before we left. Our dealer, M&C in Hull, helped me diagnose a loose earthing lead in the cable-loom-from-hell.

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Some wires in a cupboard.​

Dog walked and lights fixed we were on the road for more monastery fun by 9am - the best time to catch a nun in the wild. Except for delays. We got stuck behind a herd of cows, a funeral, several horses and carts and a well aged wobbly cyclist.

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Cows and wobbly cyclist.​

So, slightly later than hoped; Moldovita or in full: The Church of the Annunciation of the Monastery of Moldovita or, for short: the red one. Notable frescoes here are a depiction of the siege of Constantinople. This siege was obviously big news in C16 as, despite happening in 626CE every single one of these monasterys seems to have a depiction. None as good as the one at The Church of the Annunciation of the Monastery of Moldovita though. Judge for yourself:

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Earlier last millennia in Constantinople​

In The Car Park Adjoining The Church of the Annunciation of the Monastery of Moldovita we bumped into a Belgian we’d originally met in Camping Păstrăvul a few days ago. He’s travelling on his own and is very chatty. This part of Romania seems like the NC500 - we keep bumping into the same people. Whatever, he chattered away at us for a while then disappeared. His parting words: “If we meet three times, I’ll give you a Belgian beer”.

Next monastery: the green one. In addition to the Siege of Constantinople we noticed something else all these places have: catering supplies of Holy Water.

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Saints queueing up to besiege Constantinople
​

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Holy on the right, haunted on the left.​

This wasn’t the best though. Yesterday at Bârsana Monarstery (The wooden one) we saw this. A holy water TAP!

View attachment 1116191

In bulk!​

Note that there’s a Hozelok connector on it - no wonder these monasteries all have such lovely roses. If our hose had been longer we could have filled up Jones with holy water. Jane suggested if it really was holy water, we might be able to use it instead of diesel.

Then lunch, where we met…

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If you meet this man, meet him again. Twice.​

He came good on his promise too, I now own a tiny can of Jupiler.

Next up: The Church of a Resurrection of the Monastery of Sucevița (the green one). Here the most notable fresco was of the ladder of virtue showing pious monks and priests ascending the 38 steps to divinity whilst the impious fell to hell - a bit like ecclesiastical snakes and ladders. Anyway, the ladder was being restored so we had to make do with The Siege of Constantinople (green version).

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Saints failing to besiege Constantinople​

There are limits to how many frescoes and monestaries you can see in a day no matter how many colours they come in. Mine is higher than most but even I was done by now. Jane was looking at her watch by the time we’d seen six sieges of Constantinople.

We went over one more mountain pass - Jane’s fear of heights continues to be normal not gibbering in the corner shouting “make it stop!” - to Camping Christiana near to Humor Monestery (red and brown). But that is a Siege of Constantinople for tomorrow.

We spent the rest of the afternoon contesting the Plantagenet wars in miniature:
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England one, Wales nil, Scottish one, French three.​

Fantastic photos and witty descriptions, but what has really caught my eye is the Plantagenet Wars game. We need to know much more.

 

[KiwiKampers]

The sunrise photo is stunning.

 

[Jane NotRog]

Fantastic photos and witty descriptions, but what has really caught my eye is the Plantagenet Wars game. We need to know much more.

It’s much more loosely themed than that - not a historical simulation by any means! You each have eight cards to play all game, and you are trying to match the supporters in your court (your own collection of little cubes) to the regions that end up controlled by that nation - English, Welsh and Scots. If a region ties, the dastardly French move in, and if they win three regions, the winner is the one with the most balanced court.

Here it is on board game geek.

 

[Jane NotRog]

Yesterday’s map.

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[Rog NotJane]

It’s much more loosely themed than that - not a historical simulation by any means!

Yes, Plantagenet was my embellishment because of the cover art and the dastardly French being involved.

To add to the loose theming, on the map, Yorkshire doesn’t exists; it’s part of Northumbria but Lancashire does have its correct size all the way north to Scotland. Kent correctly includes London and Suffolk but it incorrectly labelled Essex.

 

[Rog NotJane]

Sorry CaptainPaul I missed this lot in my rush to document the Siege of Constantinople.

Yes totally agree with those sentiments it's way underpowered and the gearbox i just can't fathom at all and this is supposed to be Mercedes 9G all singing all dancing gearbox, it's f'ecking horrendous!

Yes but… over the mountains yesterday we averaged neatly 30mpg. Hairpin corners and 20% in some places. It does seem to pull well enough… for for me anyway. I don’t want to use it for a race

On a brighter note the Hymer side is superb we're loving that part of it, nothing to complain about there for sure, its actually beyond what we expected... we got a heavy thunderstorm with loads of rain the other night and I loved driving over all the big deep puddles and really mucky ground that everyone else was avoiding!

Glad you like that. We are loving the Eura rear end.

Yes we had that too lol on a mini roundabout in Holland, van slammed to a complete halt throwing everything about including the Mrs phone right out of her hand, she actually thought we had crashed! and all it was, was the oncoming car on our left and I met at the narrow point leaving the roundabout!

Never seen it do anything that serious. The collision warning is just a beep to frighten Jane.

Yes they seem to lock themselves automatically mine does but thankfully only the cab doors as mine didn't come with the full all doors including garage central locking and im actually glad now mine doesn't have it as firstly it's useless if you want to make use of your factory fitted deadlocks and 2nd ive been reading on another MLT 570 forum loads of folk being able to unlock their cabs ok but not their habitation doors again due to the deadlocks, so at least thats one useless optional extra avoided!

We have the hab door on merc locking which does worry me. It’s nice that you get a dash warning if the hab door is open when the engine is on. It’s even nicer to open the hab doors with the cab remote.

Also, during hot weather my shorts have a little hook to clip the keys onto. Colder weather may be more challenging. I’ll perhaps get Jane to sew an extra piece of wool into my coat so the keys can hang next to my mittens.

I also meant to ask you, I noticed you mentioned you'd your AC on the other night for Flynn which of course with our 3 dogs was something we also like to use too, but are you getting much time out of it? We can only get around 2 hours although thats full blast would probably get a bit more if we turned it down, but im currently looking into more lithium a better inverter and some more solar panels on the roof... Ideally id like around 5 hours habitation AC.... which im told is achievable with a few decent upgrades

It’s around 100mA for the Truma Aventa. Not sure if the others draw less or more but that means with this battery we get 3 hours theoretical total, two as the Multiplus is set to shut 230v off at 40%. We’re fine with this as the two use cases are nipping into a museum and out for dinner. We never manage two hours even when we visited the Hermitage. Dinner can be longer but then the aircon only needs to get him to the point where the sun has lost its power.

That said, we have a slot booked at OffGrid Power to get another 330mAh added. That’s more because we might want to run diesel heating all night in winter.

Now, any more of this Mercedes chat and I’ll have to start a new thread for you.

 

[Rog NotJane]

I’ll perhaps get Jane to sew an extra piece of wool into my coat so the keys can hang next to my mittens.

Apologies to everyone who has now seen me attempt to make this joke twice.

 

[Wanders from Glos]

It’s much more loosely themed than that - not a historical simulation by any means! You each have eight cards to play all game, and you are trying to match the supporters in your court (your own collection of little cubes) to the regions that end up controlled by that nation - English, Welsh and Scots. If a region ties, the dastardly French move in, and if they win three regions, the winner is the one with the most balanced court.

Here it is on board game geek.

Sounds interesting. Unfortunately I just cannot get Claire to play board games unless she wins of course. It’s probably the only thing we don’t see eye to eye on.

 

[Wanders from Glos]

Yes, Plantagenet was my embellishment because of the cover art and the dastardly French being involved.

To add to the loose theming, on the map, Yorkshire doesn’t exists; it’s part of Northumbria but Lancashire does have its correct size all the way north to Scotland. Kent correctly includes London and Suffolk but it incorrectly labelled Essex.

To be fair Yorkshire did ultimately loose.

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[CaptainPaul]

Now, any more of this Mercedes chat and I’ll have to start a new thread for you

Apologies & understood

 

[Grianan]

Sounds interesting. Unfortunately I just cannot get Claire to play board games unless she wins of course. It’s probably the only thing we don’t see eye to eye on.

Inspired by Jane NotRog and Rog NotJane we’re taking a selection of board games with us this time. I’m very competitive though

 

[Wanders from Glos]

I think it’s a great idea, but I have work to do.

 

[lorger]

We don’t have board games with us, more games that you can just play and no real ending so if fed up after 10 minutes we stop
They don’t take up to many brain cells so ideal for us
Boggle
Dominoes
UNO
Draughts and Chess although Lorr doesn’t play chess.
Jenga
Connect 4
Sudoku

 

[carolyn]

Sounds like we should strike Bran from the list. Shame because Jane is a bit of a closet goth.

Bran castle itself is very small but we were very lucky with our tour guide. He had been interviewed by the BBC and was so funny and very informative. He was also a great fan of the show “What we do in the Shadows” which we love and no-one else had heard of. He was surprised we had!

The area surrounding it was interesting, yes the stalls are tacky, of course they are but I think it’s a pity to miss it. It would be a bit like a tourist going to London and deciding not to visit Big Ben because of the crowds or Covent Garden because there’s not a garden.

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[nicholsong]

Bran castle itself is very small but we were very lucky with our tour guide. He had been interviewed by the BBC and was so funny and very informative. He was also a great fan of the show “What we do in the Shadows” which we love and no-one else had heard of. He was surprised we had!

The area surrounding it was interesting, yes the stalls are tacky, of course they are but I think it’s a pity to miss it. It would be a bit like a tourist going to London and deciding not to visit Big Ben because of the crowds or Covent Garden because there's not a garden

........nor a market anymore.

 

[Grianan]

We don’t have board games with us, more games that you can just play and no real ending so if fed up after 10 minutes we stop
They don’t take up to many brain cells so ideal for us
Boggle
Dominoes
UNO
Draughts and Chess although Lorr doesn’t play chess.
Jenga
Connect 4
Sudoku

We have some cross over …

We already had …
Bananagrams (like Boggle)
Dominoes
UNO
Scrabble
Rummikub
Yahtzee
Zeus

And we’ve added …
Fungi
Hive
Azul
Codenames Duo

None are too taxing …

 

[Peavy]

“If we meet three times, I’ll give you a Belgian beer”

That's a fantastic deal
So sad the Xtura album cover didn't make it to your blög

 

[guy b]

One of the best bits about this time of year is that Flynn’s early walk is just about at sunrise. Today Romania put on a belter. It was so good I texted Jane and she got up early for a looky look.

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Early today.​

Making the most of the early morning cold (7C when I first went out! Lucky we brought long trousers and woolly socks) we took Flynn for a walk up the opposite hill. We were joined by three street dogs who we think live around the monastery and cafes at the bottom of the hill but do part time work cadging off camper vans. Whatever, they all had great fun - these three were all pretty young and they spent most of the walk play fighting and chasing each other.



Before leaving we had time for a little maintenance. Our outside lights (well three of the… seven!) had stopped working just before we left. Our dealer, M&C in Hull, helped me diagnose a loose earthing lead in the cable-loom-from-hell.

View attachment 1116185

Some wires in a cupboard.​

Dog walked and lights fixed we were on the road for more monastery fun by 9am - the best time to catch a nun in the wild. Except for delays. We got stuck behind a herd of cows, a funeral, several horses and carts and a well aged wobbly cyclist.

View attachment 1116186

Cows and wobbly cyclist.​

So, slightly later than hoped; Moldovita or in full: The Church of the Annunciation of the Monastery of Moldovita or, for short: the red one. Notable frescoes here are a depiction of the siege of Constantinople. This siege was obviously big news in C16 as, despite happening in 626CE every single one of these monasterys seems to have a depiction. None as good as the one at The Church of the Annunciation of the Monastery of Moldovita though. Judge for yourself:

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Earlier last millennia in Constantinople​

In The Car Park Adjoining The Church of the Annunciation of the Monastery of Moldovita we bumped into a Belgian we’d originally met in Camping Păstrăvul a few days ago. He’s travelling on his own and is very chatty. This part of Romania seems like the NC500 - we keep bumping into the same people. Whatever, he chattered away at us for a while then disappeared. His parting words: “If we meet three times, I’ll give you a Belgian beer”.

Next monastery: the green one. In addition to the Siege of Constantinople we noticed something else all these places have: catering supplies of Holy Water.

View attachment 1116188

Saints queueing up to besiege Constantinople
​

View attachment 1116189

Holy on the right, haunted on the left.​

This wasn’t the best though. Yesterday at Bârsana Monarstery (The wooden one) we saw this. A holy water TAP!

View attachment 1116191

In bulk!​

Note that there’s a Hozelok connector on it - no wonder these monasteries all have such lovely roses. If our hose had been longer we could have filled up Jones with holy water. Jane suggested if it really was holy water, we might be able to use it instead of diesel.

Then lunch, where we met…

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If you meet this man, meet him again. Twice.​

He came good on his promise too, I now own a tiny can of Jupiler.

Next up: The Church of a Resurrection of the Monastery of Sucevița (the green one). Here the most notable fresco was of the ladder of virtue showing pious monks and priests ascending the 38 steps to divinity whilst the impious fell to hell - a bit like ecclesiastical snakes and ladders. Anyway, the ladder was being restored so we had to make do with The Siege of Constantinople (green version).

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Saints failing to besiege Constantinople​

There are limits to how many frescoes and monestaries you can see in a day no matter how many colours they come in. Mine is higher than most but even I was done by now. Jane was looking at her watch by the time we’d seen six sieges of Constantinople.

We went over one more mountain pass - Jane’s fear of heights continues to be normal not gibbering in the corner shouting “make it stop!” - to Camping Christiana near to Humor Monestery (red and brown). But that is a Siege of Constantinople for tomorrow.

We spent the rest of the afternoon contesting the Plantagenet wars in miniature:
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England one, Wales nil, Scottish one, French three.​

The sunrise photo is absolutely mint

 

[daveclare]

Loving the photos and writing. If a Flynn lookie-likie happens to hide himself or herself in the van. Don't let them out. We'll then adopt and compensate you with many tapestries/tea towels that celebrate everything else, but the Siege of Constantinople.

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[Jane NotRog]

We have some cross over …

We already had …
Bananagrams (like Boggle)
Dominoes
UNO
Scrabble
Rummikub
Yahtzee
Zeus

And we’ve added …
Fungi
Hive
Azul
Codenames Duo

None are too taxing …

I think Hive can be very taxing!

 

[Rog NotJane]

I think Hive can be very taxing!

…and Azul can get quite nasty for 2P. We know people who have a house rule that you can’t look at each other’s board. I think that spoils the game.

 

[Jane NotRog]

Humor Monastery (colours: red and brown) was being repaired.

Signs directed us round the back to the tradesmen’s entrance.

Roofing nun starting her day’s work


Holy water was on offer as usual. Later I was to wish I’d filled a flask - surely it’s an excellent hangover cure, ideally alongside a holy bacon sandwich. (Note the spelling, a holey bacon sandwich would just leak ketchup all over you. A normal one makes you feel better for 10 minutes, after which you feel just as bad, but with processed meat regrets. Maybe a holy one prolongs the good feeling all day? I will try to find a nun to oblige with a blessing.)

Sign says “Not to be taken after alcohol”


Still, inside the monastery, the paintings were as fantastic as ever. I’ve focussed on a couple of details here.

Lady who endowed the monastery making an offering to the BVM

On to the first job of the day - a supermarket (Lidl) where we stocked up the supplies in Jones’s fridge / freezer and bought beer and a bottle of red wine for later. (Dramatic foreshadowing - although the red wine will survive the night, other wines, beer, cider and plum liquor may not.)

We did decide against buying this healthy treat, even though it didn’t have added monosodium glutamate.

Then we found a bankomat to replenish our supply of lei. Romania is certainly more card payment friendly than Germany, but that’s not a massive boast, and the steady influx of painted monasteries was leading to a steady outflux of lei from my wallet.

Fourth order of the day - meet up with Raul and Tina and view the most famous of the painted monasteries - Voroneţ.

Raul is a Romanian who we “met” on Motorhome Fun - he’s a British citizen and lives most of the year in the UK, but has a house near here, and, as luck would have it, his stay there coincided with our trip. Tina is from Wales originally, and has lovely traces of her Welsh accent left.

First things first though - while we introduced ourselves, Flynn had a much needed bath in the river.

Tractors are banned from the road up to the monastery, so this farmer used the river instead.

The outside of Voroneţ was badly faded. Tina said she could see a clear difference from just three years ago.

The far side, away from the sun presumably, had fared a lot better. Voroneţ’s colour is blue, and is of such an unusual shade that the colour itself is actually named after the monastery. It uses lapis lazuli, among other secret ingredients. I’d quite like to redo my bathroom in it, actually, if any painting nuns reading this would like to send in a quote.

The big draw at Voroneţ is the Last Judgement fresco, which fills the entire exterior western wall of the Voroneţ Monastery, and is often judged to be the best of a very large bunch.

Angels at the top roll up the zodiac signs, indicating the end of time, while humanity is brought to judgement in the middle. On the left, St Paul escorts the believers, while a stern Moses takes the nonbelievers on the right. Heaven and the Garden of Eden is on the bottom left, the Resurrection is on the bottom right.

We wandered back through the souvenir stalls…

… and stopped for lunch at a restaurant just outside the monastery. Tina turned out to be a woman after my own heart as she loved the tripe soup, so three of us indulged ourselves in that, while Raul had some delicious roast pork. (Apparently you can buy it already slow-cooked in the shops, so that’s a note for something to try later.)

The tripe soup, Ciorba de Burta, was delicious - creamy, rather than tomatoey like French stews. Here’s the recipe - I’ll definitely be trying this at home.

The weather had set in as fairly grim, with grimmer patches, so Raul & Tina kindly invited us to spend the night outside their house. First stop, Lidl, where we trying to help with supplies for the evening - lots of sausages, kebabs, white wine and a massive cheesecake.

Then we stopped for honey. Spot the light blue trailer behind Raul and me - that is full of beehives, and the owners tow it to wherever the best location is for flowers at that particular time. Mobile bee hives! It was a new one for me. I bought a jar of the mountain flowers variety stuffed with honeycomb - a treat for home.

Flynn finally got to let off some energy in Raul and Tina’s massive garden, but then as ever disgraced himself by chasing a little cat away, and had to be more closely supervised thereafter.

We had a lovely afternoon that turned into a lovely evening drinking white wine / beer according to gender. At one point this came out - delicious and actually tasting of plums, which is pretty rare!

Tina cooked us a fantastic meal, and we went to bed stuffed and happy. What a fantastic evening! The next morning (dramatic foreshadowing) we will not feel quite so lively…

 

[nicholsong]

We have some cross over …

We already had …
Bananagrams (like Boggle)
Dominoes
UNO
Scrabble
Rummikub
Yahtzee
Zeus

And we’ve added …
Fungi
Hive
Azul
Codenames Duo

None are too taxing …

Those are for wimps.

Try Mahjong. My set is still on the boat I relinquished, but I never got very good because I could not find anyone who knew how to play.

 

[Grianan]

Those are for wimps.

Try Mahjong. My set is still on the boat I relinquished, but I never got very good because I could not find anyone who knew how to play.

Mahjong used to be my go-to computer game … never played it with pieces though … it must be different as a multi person game.

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