Help needed please. Schaudt Electrobloc 220-2 (1 Viewer)

Bebe

Free Member
May 22, 2013
189
148
Spain/East Yorkshire, Uk
Funster No
26,131
MH
A class
Exp
Since 2001
Hi. We need a specialist in the East Yorkshire area. We have no 12v working in our Burstner van. The control panel is working ok. The solar panel fuse had blown and we replaced it and checked all the fuses. Seems like the Electrobloc has given up but cannot find anyone in this area who can check it. Anyone know of anyone who can check it or repair/renew if needed. On EHU the sockets work but nothing else. Many thanks.
 

JeanLuc

Free Member
Nov 17, 2008
3,304
2,199
Warwickshire
Funster No
4,952
MH
Hymer B630 Star-Line
Exp
Since 2007
My recommendation would be to email Udo Lang at Schaudt. He is very helpful - I have had several very positive email exchanges about using my EBL and LR1218.
I have read reports of repairs by Schaudt being cheaper than getting it done in the UK (including postage).
Udo.Lang@schaudt-gmbh.de

Any idea why the solar fuse failed?
 

JeanLuc

Free Member
Nov 17, 2008
3,304
2,199
Warwickshire
Funster No
4,952
MH
Hymer B630 Star-Line
Exp
Since 2007
Referring to my last point, do you know why solar the fuse failed? If there is a fault in the regulator or the solar panel / cabling that has damaged the EBL, it will be an expensive second EBL repair if the problem persists.
 
OP
OP
Bebe

Bebe

Free Member
May 22, 2013
189
148
Spain/East Yorkshire, Uk
Funster No
26,131
MH
A class
Exp
Since 2001
Thank you both for your help. We connected a foldaway type solar panel to the cab battery to avoid a flat battery when we came back, to start it. But the fuse went on the solar panel regulator. Motorhome wouldn't start up, everything showed flat batteries. No lights etc working, In actual fact when we took off batteries and charged them they were ok. We thought it had isolated the van completely. Think now may have been problem as at Lincoln last year we had problem with batteries, 12v etc but didn't realise it could be Electrobloc. But as you say we need to know what the problem is or another Electrobloc may go the same way. That is why we realise we need a specialist person. We have had an engineer here all morning and still no conclusive answer. The panel all working, fuses all good, electric into Electrobloc is ok, but seems from Electrobloc isn't ok. Not good with electrics as you will have gathered and need someone closer than Wales to see if they can help figure out what is going on. Electrobloc packing in or something other than what we have done causing it to malfunction and messing it all.

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 

JeanLuc

Free Member
Nov 17, 2008
3,304
2,199
Warwickshire
Funster No
4,952
MH
Hymer B630 Star-Line
Exp
Since 2007
A few observations. If you already have a solar panel on the roof and it is connected via a Schaudt regulator to the EBL, the starter battery will be charged automatically as well as the leisure battery(ies). The same is true when on hook-up although the leisure batteries take precedence then the starter battery is effectively trickle-charged.
Some more recent EBLs (and the 220 is one of them I believe) may not operate properly if a non-Schaudt solar regulator is used (use either LR1218 or LRM1218). This of course assumes you have a solar panel charging the leisure batteries but perhaps connecting a panel direct to the starter battery has caused the problem. There is an electrical connection within the EBL between the starter battery and block 5 where the solar regulator is/would be plugged in. This in turn links to the 15 amp solar fuse. There are of course, other connections between the EBL and the starter battery as it is the EBL that carries out the duties of a split-charge relay used in non-EBL vans.
Finally, and this may only relate to my older EBL99, but is there a main switch on the EBL and is it on. Also, I have to switch the 12V switch on the over-door control panel on, then off then on again to reset the system after a power-down.

p.s. I would not connect any 'foreign' electrical devices to an EBL-equipped van, including a fold-way solar panel, a battery master (not needed) or a B2B charger (although this can be done with some precautions).
 
OP
OP
Bebe

Bebe

Free Member
May 22, 2013
189
148
Spain/East Yorkshire, Uk
Funster No
26,131
MH
A class
Exp
Since 2001
There isn't a main on/off switch to the Electrobloc 220-2. Just the plug in. Also the regulator doesn't appear to be a Schaudt either. It came on the van when we bought it. Have already reprogrammed the panel and checked it all. Needed the code which took a bit of finding. Think messed up with fixing the cab solar ... With hindsight cannot believe thought it would help when the solar panel was on already. Probably the most expensive folding solar panel ever. Will check those connections. Thank you.
 
OP
OP
Bebe

Bebe

Free Member
May 22, 2013
189
148
Spain/East Yorkshire, Uk
Funster No
26,131
MH
A class
Exp
Since 2001
Been told there is a main fuse inside the Electrobloc. So need to check that. Don't know if this is correct. Thanks for your help JeanLuc.
 
Feb 24, 2013
13,168
101,820
Bolsover, Derbyshire
Funster No
24,833
MH
Hymer S800
Exp
not long enough
Been told there is a main fuse inside the Electrobloc. So need to check that. Don't know if this is correct. Thanks for your help JeanLuc.

I was just reading through the whole thread to see if that fuse had been mentioned

we had an odd situation with our 12V last year, lost the 12V sockets, all fuses checked OK

On the side of our electrobloc in the loom we have a 50A fuse, bigger version of the blade type, in a boot in our case, pulled that out and checked it was OK (it was) put back everything came back on (magic)

Hopefully yours will be as easy (y)

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 

JeanLuc

Free Member
Nov 17, 2008
3,304
2,199
Warwickshire
Funster No
4,952
MH
Hymer B630 Star-Line
Exp
Since 2007
If your non-Schaudt solar regulator is wired direct to the leisure batteries, then you are missing one of the benefits of the Schaudt system. Using a Schaudt regulator (LR1218 PWM type, or LRM1218 MPPT type) will charge both leisure and starter batteries. These come complete with wiring looms to connect them to the EBL. This also enables them to display the solar charge on the control panel gauges. Is your regulator wired via the EBL or direct to the batteries? If the latter, you will definitely not be getting the additional benefit of starter battery charging (unless a previous owner has installed some patent battery to battery link, but this might confuse the EBL too).
Reading back through your account, I would hazard a guess that connecting a solar panel to the starter battery has sent a spike back into the EBL. My advice would still be to contact Udo Lang and ask him what he thinks may have happened. There is a fuse inside the EBL (probably more than one) and Udo may be able to tell you how to access it.
 
OP
OP
Bebe

Bebe

Free Member
May 22, 2013
189
148
Spain/East Yorkshire, Uk
Funster No
26,131
MH
A class
Exp
Since 2001
It is direct to the batteries and we realise this now. Should have bought a Schaudt regulator instead of the portable solar panel. How foolish. Yes think you are right about spiking the EBL. Will contact Udo Lang for advice. Many many thanks for all your help. We haven't been able to find anyone who could help in this area and knew we needed expert assistance. Really appreciate your help Jean Luc.
 

Carol

LIFE MEMBER
Oct 2, 2007
14,068
112,685
North Wales.
Funster No
519
MH
A class
Exp
18 years s Motorhome (33years caravans)
The good guys.....Broken Link Removed

I see that you need this service in your area, I am not sure but think these are the only specialist in this field in the UK , you can Park there overnight and get a bus into Rhos-on-Sea / Llandudno. They are very helpful and knowledgeable so could be worth. Phone call, when we were there they had work in from Europe they have a very good fact sheet which I think can be downloaded .

If you check out Hilldweller link you will see it's much more than a caravan dealer.
 
Feb 24, 2013
13,168
101,820
Bolsover, Derbyshire
Funster No
24,833
MH
Hymer S800
Exp
not long enough
If your non-Schaudt solar regulator is wired direct to the leisure batteries, then you are missing one of the benefits of the Schaudt system. Using a Schaudt regulator (LR1218 PWM type, or LRM1218 MPPT type) will charge both leisure and starter batteries. These come complete with wiring looms to connect them to the EBL. This also enables them to display the solar charge on the control panel gauges. Is your regulator wired via the EBL or direct to the batteries? If the latter, you will definitely not be getting the additional benefit of starter battery charging (unless a previous owner has installed some patent battery to battery link, but this might confuse the EBL too).
Reading back through your account, I would hazard a guess that connecting a solar panel to the starter battery has sent a spike back into the EBL. My advice would still be to contact Udo Lang and ask him what he thinks may have happened. There is a fuse inside the EBL (probably more than one) and Udo may be able to tell you how to access it.

We couldn't wire our solar through our EBL and have a stand alone regulator, it does at least charge both batteries

When fitted we were told we will bring a Schaudt connection, but they announced it wouldn't fit, I wouldn't know why and accepted that as gospel

But did mention it when booked in to Peter Hambilton for habitation service last year, he said our fitter was wrong but they had them is stock and would fit one, but on seeing it they couldn't either, we seem to have a 'different' system

I swear our MH was a prototype, so many non standard fittings

Good luck sorting yours @Bebe hopefully it is something simple, have you tried the master fuse yet?

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 

dave newell

Free Member
Oct 31, 2008
3,262
4,369
Telford, Shropshire
Funster No
4,733
MH
Home converted PVC
Exp
26yrs
We couldn't wire our solar through our EBL and have a stand alone regulator, it does at least charge both batteries

When fitted we were told we will bring a Schaudt connection, but they announced it wouldn't fit, I wouldn't know why and accepted that as gospel

But did mention it when booked in to Peter Hambilton for habitation service last year, he said our fitter was wrong but they had them is stock and would fit one, but on seeing it they couldn't either, we seem to have a 'different' system

I swear our MH was a prototype, so many non standard fittings

Good luck sorting yours @Bebe hopefully it is something simple, have you tried the master fuse yet?


Intrigued it is I am! Please add a photo of your EBL so we might see what the problem is.

D.
 
OP
OP
Bebe

Bebe

Free Member
May 22, 2013
189
148
Spain/East Yorkshire, Uk
Funster No
26,131
MH
A class
Exp
Since 2001
I see that you need this service in your area, I am not sure but think these are the only specialist in this field in the UK , you can Park there overnight and get a bus into Rhos-on-Sea / Llandudno. They are very helpful and knowledgeable so could be worth. Phone call, when we were there they had work in from Europe they have a very good fact sheet which I think can be downloaded .

If you check out Hilldweller link you will see it's much more than a caravan dealer.

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 

Carol

LIFE MEMBER
Oct 2, 2007
14,068
112,685
North Wales.
Funster No
519
MH
A class
Exp
18 years s Motorhome (33years caravans)

We used them and they were very professional and helpful, hope they can help.
 
Feb 24, 2013
13,168
101,820
Bolsover, Derbyshire
Funster No
24,833
MH
Hymer S800
Exp
not long enough
@JeanLuc @dave newell lvs

Hope these help, pitch dark before I remembered (y)

will try harder in daylight tomorrow if needed

IMG_0412.JPG
IMG_0408.JPG
IMG_0410.JPG
IMG_0411.JPG


@Bebe my apologies for hijacking your thread and thanks for starting it (y)
 

dave newell

Free Member
Oct 31, 2008
3,262
4,369
Telford, Shropshire
Funster No
4,733
MH
Home converted PVC
Exp
26yrs
Hi David, that's a Reich unit not a Schaudt Elektroblock which explains why the Schaudt LR 1218 regulator could not be fitted. Well that's not totally true, it could have been but it wouldn't simply plug into this unit.

D.
 
Feb 24, 2013
13,168
101,820
Bolsover, Derbyshire
Funster No
24,833
MH
Hymer S800
Exp
not long enough
Hi David, that's a Reich unit not a Schaudt Elektroblock which explains why the Schaudt LR 1218 regulator could not be fitted. Well that's not totally true, it could have been but it wouldn't simply plug into this unit.

D.

Thanks Dave, it all seems to work well, just a shame we cant see details on main control panel (y)

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 

JeanLuc

Free Member
Nov 17, 2008
3,304
2,199
Warwickshire
Funster No
4,952
MH
Hymer B630 Star-Line
Exp
Since 2007
Interesting - I didn't know that Hymer installed Reich units in any of their motorhomes. When I have looked around new models at shows, they all seem to have a Schaudt system.
I know nothing about the Reich box so cannot contribute much other than suggesting you read this web page. Scroll down towards the bottom where they discuss fitting solar regulators. Your regulator appears to be a twin battery type so with the correct wiring, you should get the starter battery charged as well as the leisure ones.
http://www.aandncaravanservices.co.uk/reich-e-box.php
 

dave newell

Free Member
Oct 31, 2008
3,262
4,369
Telford, Shropshire
Funster No
4,733
MH
Home converted PVC
Exp
26yrs
I've never seen a Reich unit in a Hymer either and I've possibly seen inside more Hymers than most on here. It is a dual channel regulator and it appears to have both channels connected looking at the wires into the bottom of it.

D.
 

dave newell

Free Member
Oct 31, 2008
3,262
4,369
Telford, Shropshire
Funster No
4,733
MH
Home converted PVC
Exp
26yrs
A and N make a glaring error in their comments about battery capacity and charger output. The 16 Amp charger can easily cope with bigger battery capacities it just takes longer to charge. We had this with a customer whose Electroblock had failed and they blamed me for fitting an extra leisure battery, Udo Lang corrected their wrong assumption.

D.
 
Feb 24, 2013
13,168
101,820
Bolsover, Derbyshire
Funster No
24,833
MH
Hymer S800
Exp
not long enough
Interesting - I didn't know that Hymer installed Reich units in any of their motorhomes. When I have looked around new models at shows, they all seem to have a Schaudt system.

I've never seen a Reich unit in a Hymer either and I've possibly seen inside more Hymers than most on here.
D.

Thank you both for your input, the more we have done on our MH the more we seem to find one offs, just had air suspension upgraded and the grey tank apparently was larger and in the wrong place, the TV wiring was unlike ever seen, too clever for its own good in most cases

I wouldn't have thought the Reich unit was a retro fit, but we didn't buy it new and it had apparently been stood as a demonstrator for a long time at Hymer North West, maybe the original broke and the dealer made the change? They no longer exist so I will never be able to find out, but I would have thought it would be quite complicated to change to a different unit, even if it saved money, unless maybe they just had a Reich in stock and time spent was irrelevant
 

eddie

LIFE MEMBER
Oct 4, 2007
8,191
41,609
Taunton Somerset
Funster No
540
MH
RV
Exp
since 1989
Seeing the results on a panel, which will have appeal for a few days before you get bored looking is less important than have a top quality MPPT regulator installed correctly connected to the battery (s) you wish charged without going in series with any other product.

Also, you will be seriously limited as to the wattage you can have installed if planning using the schaudt regulator

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 

Join us or log in to post a reply.

To join in you must be a member of MotorhomeFun

Join MotorhomeFun

Join us, it quick and easy!

Log in

Already a member? Log in here.

Latest journal entries

Funsters who are viewing this thread

Back
Top