Forward facing made to measure seating with 3 point seat belts (1 Viewer)

[PeterCarole29]

I made a dummy frame up using a crash tested one as an example from a Renault master coachbuilt camper
An engineering company made a new one for me £425 and its powder coated
So if anyone wants one get in touch

 

[ianp]

View attachment 872783View attachment 872784I made a dummy frame up using a crash tested one as an example from a Renault master coachbuilt camper
An engineering company made a new one for me £425 and its powder coated
So if anyone wants one get in touchView attachment 872785

A nice job but is it legal without some kind of certification etc?

 

[Puddleduck]

A nice job but is it legal without some kind of certification etc?

I was wondering that as well but a really nice neat job and ideal for self / custom builders.

Would it bolt to the subframe?

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[scotzsue]

Looks lovely but my insurance only covers me for the no of seatbelts on the V5

 

[Mikeco]

Looks lovely but my insurance only covers me for the no of seatbelts on the V5

The V5 can be changed easily enough as you just change the number and send it off, however ensuring that any additional seats are legal could be a challenge.
I bought a new double seat with built in seat belts that are fitted to mini buses and once bolted down to the chassis this was fine.

 

[Boldly]

Most if not all of the seat swivels available have never been certificated. Not sure how they would stand up to a good(bad) accident.

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[ianp]

Most if not all of the seat swivels available have never been certificated. Not sure how they would stand up to a good(bad) accident.

Aftermarket units and you may be right but I would be very surprised if 'factory' fitted ones by reputable brands like Burstner etc aren't 'certified' in that they carry a CE mark (or some such) of some kind and that the prototype of the vehicle was inspected for conformity........
In the bigger picture can you still just take an empty van and put what you want into it as regards seats etc etc.......if you brake hard and your passenger third row back flys forward and squishes your passenger second row forward with himself and his seat....who's to blame, you for fitting dickie seats or him for being a f*t f**k........?

 

[PeterCarole29]

Aftermarket units and you may be right but I would be very surprised if 'factory' fitted ones by reputable brands like Burstner etc aren't 'certified' in that they carry a CE mark (or some such) of some kind and that the prototype of the vehicle was inspected for conformity........
In the bigger picture can you still just take an empty van and put what you want into it as regards seats etc etc.......if you brake hard and your passenger third row back flys forward and squishes your passenger second row forward with himself and his seat....who's to blame, you for fitting dickie seats or him for being a f*t f**k........?

Obviously caught a nerve here
Professional made by certified welder
Bolted through 6mm plate steel also bonded to floor steel reinforced underside
No passenger is going anywhere from this seat
Made from thicker steel than the certified one in my other van

 

[PeterCarole29]

Most if not all of the seat swivels available have never been certificated. Not sure how they would stand up to a good(bad) accident.

Interesting I will contact Jennings seats to ask about the ones I have bought out of interest

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[PeterCarole29]

I was wondering that as well but a really nice neat job and ideal for self / custom builders.

Would it bolt to the subframe?

I have taken out quite a few minibus seats over the yrs most are not through a subframe

 

[PeterCarole29]

A nice job but is it legal without some kind of certification etc?

Is your gas install done correctly on a self build
Are your electrics if done correctly
No none of a self build is certified

 

[PeterCarole29]

I am more than happy with what I have done and built out of ply glued screwed and pu bonded
I know what van I’d rather have an accident in
Hopefully that will never happen

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[peterc10]

Have you informed your insurance provider? If not it may invalidate your insurance.

 

[PeterCarole29]

Have you informed your insurance provider? If not it may invalidate your insurance.

This as well as some other points are good questions.
I will be meeting all insurance requirements with regards the seat belts and forward facing seats,If it doesnt meet them i shall just remove the belts ,
It for us is only to use as a dinning room seat as there is only the 2 of us.
If in the future we sell the van i will be removing the seat belts (keeping them while we have it as they are good for securing things /boxes down.

 

[ianp]

Obviously caught a nerve here
Professional made by certified welder
Bolted through 6mm plate steel also bonded to floor steel reinforced underside
No passenger is going anywhere from this seat
Made from thicker steel than the certified one in my other van

I think the only trapped nerve is your humour one.......or maybe you need an emoji to highlight things......here you go then....

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[PeterCarole29]

Most if not all of the seat swivels available have never been certificated. Not sure how they would stand up to a good(bad) accident.

I thought i would look into this for the ones i have purchased .FASP swivel seat bases and am pleased they are crash tested and supply a lot of the leading maufactures at least thats what they say.

 

[gus-lopez]

No none of a self build is certified

My is all certified & on the log book as they have to be in spain.

 

[PeterCarole29]

I think the only trapped nerve is your humour one.......or maybe you need an emoji to highlight things......here you go then....

Oopps i think you are right, now chilled

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[PeterCarole29]

My is all certified & on the log book as they have to be in spain.

Yes i understand things are very different in France as well. You need all sorts of paperwork when it comes to the mot

 

[Lenny HB]

I thought if you add travel seats they need to be approved by DVSA.

 

[JRT]

It all is set out here I think and it all reads as advice and recommendations rather than specific requirements. Unless I am reading it wrong.

Converting a van to carry passengers in the rear

www.gov.uk

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[ianp]

It all is set out here I think and it all reads as advice and recommendations rather than specific requirements. Unless I am reading it wrong.

Converting a van to carry passengers in the rear

www.gov.uk

I think you're right....it's pretty much a free for all so long as it all stays good ( you'll be bollocks'ed if it goes wrong).....except for kids and seat belts, that are need for kids and should be certified ones ( really are there any other than...?).

 

[PeterCarole29]

It all is set out here I think and it all reads as advice and recommendations rather than specific requirements. Unless I am reading it wrong.

Converting a van to carry passengers in the rear

www.gov.uk

Thanks i shall read it through

 

[PeterCarole29]

I think you're right....it's pretty much a free for all so long as it all stays good ( you'll be bollocks'ed if it goes wrong).....except for kids and seat belts, that are need for kids and should be certified ones ( really are there any other than...?).

Yes agree .time to edit first post

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[PeterCarole29]

Timed out cant edit

 

[ianp]

Yes agree .time to edit first post

Don't see what needs to be edited......all looks good......unless you want to up the price a bit now its all kosher..

 

[PeterCarole29]

Just wanted to edit the offer of getting one done for someone else thats all

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[Fdhadi]

Looks a nice neat job

 

[Lenny HB]

It all is set out here I think and it all reads as advice and recommendations rather than specific requirements. Unless I am reading it wrong.

Converting a van to carry passengers in the rear

www.gov.uk

That regulation is 1986 and I think seat belt rules have changed since then.

 

[JRT]

That regulation is 1986 and I think seat belt rules have changed since then.

That is official government guidance and says at the top it was published in May 2010.

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