For all you middle lane hoggers

[Allanm]

Of course, there aren’t any on this forum, but you might like to inform others.....

“Drivers in France who linger in the middle or left lanes of a motorway without good reason can now be punished with a fine of up to €150.
Under normal conditions, the middle and left lanes of a three-lane motorway are intended to be used for overtaking only, and in the left lane, drivers must reach a speed of at least 80 kph.
Drivers who remain in the middle and left lanes without good reason - such as, for example, when instructed by police or in the case of an accident - now risk a fine of €35, under the code de la route, article R412-9.
The amount drops to €22 in case of immediate payment, and rises to €150 if paid late.
Similarly, moving lanes without indicating safely - either to overtake, or to get back in lane - can also be punished by a fine of €35 and three points on your driving licence.”

 

[pappajohn]

They really are desperate for revenue aren't they.
Maybe they're worried about cuts to subsidies after Brexit.

 

[Allanm]

They really are desperate for revenue aren't they.
Maybe they're worried about cuts to subsidies after Brexit.

Doubt it, it probably costs more in paperwork than the fines they receive. They are probably more interested in safety.
It’s about time the UK started doing something similar.

 

[buttons]

Doubt it, it probably costs more in paperwork than the fines they receive. They are probably more interested in safety.
It’s about time the UK started doing something similar.

Simple answer is don't drive in France..

 

[GPW]

In France isn't the middle on the other side?

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[lorger]

I thought they changed the law here a couple of years back or maybe didn't change it but said they would implement it and fine middle lane hoggers, i've yet to hear of anyone being fined

 

[Lenny HB]

Germany has had cameras on bridges that clock people for lane hogging & tailgating for years.

 

[Yorick]

That's a common sense law. But some folk will still whine like an old milk float.

 

[Kingham]

........... Similarly, moving lanes without indicating safely - either to overtake, or to get back in lane - can also be punished by a fine of €35 and three points on your driving licence.”

Any idea what they consider to be ‘safe’ indicating ? I was taught that if there’s anyone around to benefit from an indication, I will indicate, which I adopt in any country in which I’m driving.

I notice that a lot of French drivers on dual carriageways leave their indicators flashing throughout a whole multi vehicle overtaking manoeuvre and only cancel them once the overtake is complete.
My normal method is to indicate while I’m moving out, or changing lane for the overtake and cancel the indicator once I’m fully in the overtaking lane.

Are the French just being lazy by leaving their indicators on, or is that the correct ‘French’ way and do the authorities expect that the indicator remains on until you are back out of the overtaking lane ?

TIA

 

[Lenny HB]

Are the French just being lazy by leaving their indicators on, or is that the correct ‘French’ way and do the authorities expect that the indicator remains on until you are back out of the overtaking lane ?

I think it's the way they are taught, like being told to get it in top gear as soon as possible and leave it there. You have probably noticed how the wallow round bends over the white line with hardly any control over the car, because they never change down and take the corner in the correct gear.

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[Yorick]

Any idea what they consider to be ‘safe’ indicating ? I was taught that if there’s anyone around to benefit from an indication, I will indicate, which I adopt in any country in which I’m driving.

How long ago was that ? Cars and Mohos have many blind spots nowadays, so you never know that you are alone. I indicate always.

 

[hilldweller]

It’s about time the UK started doing something similar.

We do.

 

[Yorick]

I think it's the way they are taught, like being told to get it in top gear as soon as possible and leave it there. You have probably noticed how the wallow round bends over the white line with hardly any control over the car, because they never change down and take the corner in the correct gear.

That's the wine

 

[Lenny HB]

That's the wine

Quite likely, in the past I've seen lorry drivers eat their baggette down a whole bottle red then drive off in their 40 tonners.

 

[Langtoftlad]

Fat chance of any enforcement here in the UK - Plod can't keep up with the untaxed, uninsured, no MOT and illegally foreign registered cars to make middle lane hogging a priority.

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[laneside]

Oi do not stop em hogging the middle lane, they have no idea how to use their mirrors.and it will cause pandamonion on our busy motorways....there again bring it on as it should be all about random selection.

 

[Kingham]

How long ago was that ? Cars and Mohos have many blind spots nowadays, so you never know that you are alone. I indicate always.

As recently as my last (of many) advanced tests.

 

[Yorick]

As recently as my last (of many) advanced tests.

Not being rude, but do your tests eliminate blind spots ?

 

[Cheshirecat57]

If

Quite likely, in the past I've seen lorry drivers eat their baggette down a whole bottle red then drive off in their 40 tonners.

and that’s just their Breakfast

 

[EX51SSS]

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I indicate always.

And that would fail a test by unnecessary indication

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[Clarky]

I was always taught that it was mirror, signal, manoeuvre.
After looking front and rear, if there is no one who needs to see your signal, don’t signal.
It means that instead of just signaling out of habit you look and become aware of other people, including pedestrians, who will benefit from the signal.
That was drummed into us on a Kent Police better driving course that I did many years ago.
However, in the Motorhome, where the rear visibility can be patchy, I always indicate before pulling out to overtake.

Richard

 

[Yorick]

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And that would fail a test by unnecessary indication

It might save a cyclist or biker in a blind spot.

 

[Yorick]

I was always taught that it was mirror, signal, manoeuvre.
After looking front and rear, if there is no one who needs to see your signal, don’t signal.
It means that instead of just signaling out of habit you look and become aware of other people, including pedestrians, who will benefit from the signal.
That was drummed into us on a Kent Police better driving course that I did many years ago.
However, in the Motorhome, where the rear visibility can be patchy, I always indicate before pulling out to overtake.

Richard

Common sense rules. Always

 

[Allanm]

It’s about time the UK started doing something similar.

We do.

Doesn’t show though does it

 

[EX51SSS]

It might save a cyclist or biker in a blind spot.

And fail your test. You can indicate as much as you want to but on a test you would fail for unnecessary indication.

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[keithchesterfield2]

Except around Cities in France you'd be hard pressed to find a three lane Motorway.
And it's the duty of a French driver to overtake as many vehicles as possible in as short a time as possible and needs the outside lane to achieve this.
Please do not try to impeed his progress.......

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[DBK]

Any idea what they consider to be ‘safe’ indicating ? I was taught that if there’s anyone around to benefit from an indication, I will indicate, which I adopt in any country in which I’m driving.

I notice that a lot of French drivers on dual carriageways leave their indicators flashing throughout a whole multi vehicle overtaking manoeuvre and only cancel them once the overtake is complete.
My normal method is to indicate while I’m moving out, or changing lane for the overtake and cancel the indicator once I’m fully in the overtaking lane.

Are the French just being lazy by leaving their indicators on, or is that the correct ‘French’ way and do the authorities expect that the indicator remains on until you are back out of the overtaking lane ?

TIA

Different countries have different laws. For example if you overtake a cyclist in open country in France you must indicate before pulling out and indicate again when pulling back in - even if there are no other cars near you.

 

[hilldweller]

Doesn’t show though does it

That's how it is. We also have laws against using mobile phones.

Those morons in the house have today announced that hands free should also be illegal, that will get enforced too.

The other big news story, the Police can't cope with the drugs gangs using kids as drugs dealers.

I guess they can be forgiven for not taking cops off the drugs squads to book middle lane hoggers.

 

[Allanm]

That's how it is. We also have laws against using mobile phones.

Those morons in the house have today announced that hands free should also be illegal, that will get enforced too.

The other big news story, the Police can't cope with the drugs gangs using kids as drugs dealers.

I guess they can be forgiven for not taking cops off the drugs squads to book middle lane hoggers.

Since the demise of Traffic Policing, the government can bring in all sorts of driving laws, but with no one to enforce them, nothing will change and the standard of driving will get worse.

And drug squad officers wouldn’t have a clue how to write up a driving offence.

 

[Silver-Fox]

Doubt it, it probably costs more in paperwork than the fines they receive. They are probably more interested in safety.
It’s about time the UK started doing something similar.

I doubt it costs more as if that was the case they wouldn’t do speeding fines and the like.

We have this over here but it just doesn’t seem to be enforced unfortunately.

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