Filler points in doors

[Basildog]

I know this subject has been raised many times before.
I was approached at a show yesterday by someone who had experienced the filler hose failing as they filled with LPG on the way to the show .
Our advice to our customers and installers is NEVER to fit fill points in the door .

 

[Manic]

Mines gone, recently bought Frankia had the fill point in door with long Gaslow stainless pipe which looked kinked and also somebody had smeared joint with some sort of sealing paste, which is also gone

 

[JockandRita]

Ours has been rectified too.

Cheers,

Jock.

 

[Lenny HB]

Not in the door but flipping dangerous, when dealer swapped my bottles over fitted the filler inside the locker, that was bad enough but at eye level!

Sorted myself.

 

[Pappy]

Mine is in the door. Put there by Notts County Campers, amongst other poor work he did for us. Do I need to get this changed or should it be ok?

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[Lenny HB]

Mine is in the door. Put there by Notts County Campers, amongst other poor work he did for us. Do I need to get this changed or should it be ok?

Best to change particularly if it has the stainless metal hoses they are not designed to be moved and are the ones that rupture.

 

[Minxy]

Mine is in the door. Put there by Notts County Campers, amongst other poor work he did for us. Do I need to get this changed or should it be ok?

Just get one of the smaller square fillers then drop the fill hose down through the bottom gas vent and to the side skirt and fit the filler there near to the wheel arch if you can as it tends to be a bit stronger. You'll also need an extended bayonet fitting as you have to put it on and take it off every time you want to fill but it's not any bother.

 

[funflair]

Ours has been rectified too.

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Cheers,

Jock.

Nice one Jock, I think you know that first time we filled up with gas (actually somebody else was showing me how to ) the gas was pouring straight out of the drop vent in the floor of the cupboard, the Gaslow hose on a 90 deg fitting had a proper kink every time the door was opened so I knew straight away what had happened, the straight pipe with a loop seemed the next best option but that looks really tidy .

 

[Steve N Tracy]

Not in the door but flipping dangerous, when dealer swapped my bottles over fitted the filler inside the locker, that was bad enough but at eye level!
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Sorted myself.
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That close to the wheel arch let's hope you don't have a tyre shred.

 

[Minxy]

That close to the wheel arch let's hope you don't have a tyre shred.

What difference would that make? The only bit of gas would be in the filler pipe so even if that ruptured it wouldn't do much hard, the bottles have a non-return valve.

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[Steve N Tracy]

What difference would that make? The only bit of gas would be in the filler pipe so even if that ruptured it wouldn't do much hard, the bottles have a non-return valve.

Once the filler hose is detached from the side and dangling it may get wrapped up or caught on something before you can stop, there is only a brass connection at the bottle end, Of course a tyre delaminating and shredding is quite a rare occurrence and might never happen a bit like the bottom falling out of the gas locker floor.

 

[jumar]

What difference would that make? The only bit of gas would be in the filler pipe so even if that ruptured it wouldn't do much hard, the bottles have a non-return valve.

And of course, we all turn of our gas cylinders whilst travelling so the only danger of gas escape would be a ruptured cylinder... wouldn't it...

 

[Lenny HB]

And of course, we all turn of our gas cylinders whilst travelling so the only danger of gas escape would be a ruptured cylinder... wouldn't it...

Our cylinders have anti rupture valves built it, our pigtails have anti rupture valves and our regulator has a crash sensor. So we travel with the gas on but always turn off for ferries.

 

[Theonlysue]

I was in a main dealer and pointed them about the filler they had fitted in the door. They weren't bothered.
It used to say on the instructions not to fit in the door. Does it still say that??

 

[jumar]

Our cylinders have anti rupture valves built it, our pigtails have anti rupture valves and our regulator has a crash sensor. So we travel with the gas on but always turn off for ferries.

So do I...

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[Basildog]

I was in a main dealer and pointed them about the filler they had fitted in the door. They weren't bothered.
It used to say on the instructions not to fit in the door. Does it still say that??

Main dealers tend to be the worst , basically taking the easiest lazy way

 

[Jon Stewart]

So do I...

I've gone over potholes here that activated the crash sensor and cut the gas off.

Bit confusing the first time, when I knew we had full gas!

 

[Martynovo]

Once the filler hose is detached from the side and dangling it may get wrapped up or caught on something before you can stop, there is only a brass connection at the bottle end, Of course a tyre delaminating and shredding is quite a rare occurrence and might never happen a bit like the bottom falling out of the gas locker floor.

Just come in from moving mine when I saw this thread. Moved from internal gas locker in hymer after 7 years use to external wheel arch but mounted it with 100x100mm 3mm aluminium reinforcing plate behind and entire filler hose is in a 40mm rigid plastic pipe to protect lower end and stop any abrasion as it goes through floor and panels.

 

[Rog NotJane]

Filler in door is obviously bad but what’s the problem with the filler port inside the gas locker?

 

[Martynovo]

Filler in door is obviously bad but what’s the problem with the filler port inside the gas locker?

Rear garage doors wide and have to be opened towards pump so gas locker door can be opened. Also I've been turned away from French and Spanish filling points as they are convinced whatever I say and words on tank that I am trying to fill a standard tank.

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[Rog NotJane]

Rear garage doors wide and have to be opened towards pump so gas locker door can be opened. Also I've been turned away from French and Spanish filling points as they are convinced whatever I say and words on tank that I am trying to fill a standard tank.

Is that on a PVC or at least a gas locker in the garage? But if it’s a side opening gas locker outside the garage, not a problem?

 

[Lenny HB]

Is that on a PVC or at least a gas locker in the garage? But if it’s a side opening gas locker outside the garage, not a problem?

Our last two Hymers had the gas locker door inside the garage so had to open the garage door to access the locker door.
Current van has locker in the same place but has a outside door.

 

[Martynovo]

Is that on a PVC or at least a gas locker in the garage? But if it’s a side opening gas locker outside the garage, not a problem?

You guessed right. Gas locker that opens in garage. Prevents me using that side of garage for anything not easily moved. Only time opening now will be for ferry or to switch to the Spanish tank I still carry.

 

[Minxy]

Filler in door is obviously bad but what’s the problem with the filler port inside the gas locker?

Some garages etc won't allow you to get LPG if you have an internal filler. In the case of our PVCs which had the gas lockers in the rear under the bed it was a pain as the back doors had to be opened, and for our Globecars we also had to move stuff to get into the locker door which opened into the storage space, it also meant that the small amount of LPG released after filling once the gun was removed made the camper stink for ages plus if it was raining or in winter it was far from ideal.

To get round these issues I put a circular airtight hatch into the side of the locker through which I could access the gas cylinder valves. This solved the issue of turning the gas on/off but obviously not for filling so I put the filler in the rear bumper/corner trim (different on each van).

 

[Rog NotJane]

To get round these issues I put a circular airtight hatch into the side of the locker through which I could access the gas cylinder valves. This solved the issue of turning the gas on/off but obviously not for filling so I put the filler in the rear bumper/corner trim (different on each van).

What a brilliant idea. Wish I’d known about this 5 years ago

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[Howard B]

Ours has been rectified too.

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Cheers,

Jock.

Where did you source the vent, I can only see black on the Gaslow site. Ta

 

[HugoBNB]

I was in a main dealer and pointed them about the filler they had fitted in the door. They weren't bothered.
It used to say on the instructions not to fit in the door. Does it still say that??

I have just checked the Gaslow site as I recalled querying this with them when the main dealer of our new MH put it in the door. Gaslow endorse locating the filler cap in the door as it is pictured on their installation manual in their technical section.

 

[JockandRita]

Where did you source the vent, I can only see black on the Gaslow site. Ta

I can't remember exactly where Howard, or what size I ordered, but I ordered a 2 x piece kit (inner and outer), and they fitted a treat. I did coat the exposed door insulation with UPVC glue to waterproof it, before fitting the vents.

Here's some examples.........
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=round+ducting+vent+white&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_odkw=caravan+ducting+vent+white&_osacat=0

Cheers,

Jock.

 

[Manic]

I can't remember exactly where Howard, or what size I ordered, but I ordered a 2 x piece kit (inner and outer), and they fitted a treat. I did coat the exposed door insulation with UPVG glue to waterproof it, before fitting the vents.

Here's some examples.........
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=round+ducting+vent+white&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_odkw=caravan+ducting+vent+white&_osacat=0

Cheers,

Jock.

I bought mine from Amazon

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00H0N169O?tag=mhf04-21

 

[JockandRita]

I can't remember exactly where Howard, or what size I ordered, but I ordered a 2 x piece kit (inner and outer), and they fitted a treat. I did coat the exposed door insulation with UPVC glue to waterproof it, before fitting the vents.

Here's some examples.........
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=round+ducting+vent+white&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_odkw=caravan+ducting+vent+white&_osacat=0

Cheers,

Jock.

Howard B. Just found more suitable sizes, but with an insect mesh too.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/17530665...pid=5339023013&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1

Cheers,

Jock.

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