Fiat 180 engine?

[Alex]

just taken delivery of my new rapido a class with ordered 180 engine
How do you tell the difference between 130 150 180 variants?
There doesn’t seem to be anything in paperwork or on the vehicle data plates although have not received new registration doc yet
Even the dealer didn’t seem to know how you tell the difference! Not as powerful as my 3.0 litre 160

 

[martin2603]

You need to do at least 5k to get it into “step”.
You also need to keep the revs higher as the torque band is higher. Ok if it’s manual but more Manual overrides in auto . I had the same issues, now it has done over 10k it is ok but rpm needs to be above 2k all the time for best results .

 

[Alex]

But is there any physical means of identifying a 180 variant of the euro 6 2.3 engine?

 

[Alex]

Oh by the way mh is manual
I may be a doubting Thomas here
But when you preorder and pay extra for a 180 upgrade it’s not to much to ask for proof of identity
I realise it’s probably only a Ecuflash mapping exercise, or not I don’t know!

 

[gerry mcg]

I don't believe there are any obvious external distinguishing features but there is a unique engine code for all 4 models (115/130/150&180).

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[dave newell]

One thing to hear in mind when you say it's not as powerful as your 160 is that a lot of the very latest vehicles have an almost logarithmic map to throttle response. On an older, conventional setup one cm of pedal travel pretty much equalled 1cm of throttle movement at the pump but with electronic throttle control the response to pedal travel can be almost anything. Most that I have driven in the last couple of years have very mild engine response to pedal travel for about the first third of movement, the next third will give sharper response and the final third it will spring forward like a scalded Jack rabbit. I believe this is being done to aid fuel economy and improve driveability at normal pedal operation. Just my observation.

D.

 

[Alex]

Thanks Dave
Yes I agree and realise this, but my main question is proof of engine ID
Only collected vehicle Friday so waiting for new reg doc
Can you identify engine through chassis no, engine no?

 

[OldAgeTravellers]

Thanks Dave
Yes I agree and realise this, but my main question is proof of engine ID
Only collected vehicle Friday so waiting for new reg doc
Can you identify engine through chassis no, engine no?

You could try a VIN number search, that is how I identified mine, older 150 euro 5.
Steve

 

[jongood]

I believe this is being done to aid fuel economy and improve driveability at normal pedal operation. Just my observation.

D.

A better way to make it more driveable would have been to leave the 3 litre in it, Fiat have shot themselves in the foot IMO.

I'm very happy with the 3 litre 160 but will not be replacing it with a 2.3 at 4500+kgs

 

[Lenny HB]

Oh by the way mh is manual
I may be a doubting Thomas here
But when you preorder and pay extra for a 180 upgrade it’s not to much to ask for proof of identity
I realise it’s probably only a Ecuflash mapping exercise, or not I don’t know!

Not quite, different turbo, diffent pistons as well.
With the Euro 6 don't expect it to go well until you have put at least 10,000 miles on it.

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[jongood]

Not quite, different turbo, diffent pistons as well.
With the Euro 6 don't expect it to go well until you have put at least 10,000 miles on it.

Sorry Lenny I wouldnt be happy with that!!

18 months before your new motor goes like a new motor

 

[pandas]

I was sent this some while ago by Mike @G7UXG which clarified it for me.

Engine Codes... you'll find it on the aluminium plate riveted onto the slam panel under the bonnet.

Euro 5
130HP, 320nm F1AE3481D
150HP, 350nm F1AE3481E
180HP, 400nm F1CE3481E

Euro 6
150HP, 380nm F1AGL411C
180HP, 400nm F1AGL411B

 

[pandas]

Thanks Dave
Yes I agree and realise this, but my main question is proof of engine ID
Only collected vehicle Friday so waiting for new reg doc
Can you identify engine through chassis no, engine no?

I was sent this some while ago by Mike @G7UXG which clarified it for me. (posted it again directly related to your question)

Engine Codes... you'll find it on the aluminium plate riveted onto the slam panel under the bonnet.

Euro 5
130HP, 320nm F1AE3481D
150HP, 350nm F1AE3481E
180HP, 400nm F1CE3481E

Euro 6
150HP, 380nm F1AGL411C
180HP, 400nm F1AGL411B

 

[pandas]

A better way to make it more driveable would have been to leave the 3 litre in it, Fiat have shot themselves in the foot IMO.

I'm very happy with the 3 litre 160 but will not be replacing it with a 2.3 at 4500+kgs

I had very much the same reservation - the 3 litre was brilliant. 5 months in with only 3k on the clock I am starting to feel better with my 2.3 180 on a 4.5 ton

 

[Hettie's Crew]

Sorry Lenny I wouldnt be happy with that!!

18 months before your new motor goes like a new motor

They are a commercial vehicle after all, that are expected to manage several hundred thousand miles before being worn out. If they were set with greater tolerance from new they’d be knackered by a hundred thousand, like they used to be years ago.
The use of synthetic oils also slows up the running in period.

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[Lenny HB]

Sorry Lenny I wouldnt be happy with that!!

18 months before your new motor goes like a new motor

What do you expect the base is a commercial vehicle expected to do 20-50,000 miles a year.
Fiat consider it run in at 15,000 miles.

Our 150 Euro 6 was avery sluggish at first it gradually improved after 4000 and has been going well since 10,000 up to 16000 now, no improvement since 10,000.

 

[jongood]

What do you expect the base is a commercial vehicle expected to do 20-50,000 miles a year.
Fiat consider it run in at 15,000 miles.

Our 150 Euro 6 was avery sluggish at first it gradually improved after 4000 and has been going well since 10,000 up to 16000 now, no improvement since 10,000.

Its years now since we had to run engines in, I had this one at 1 year old with 1800 miles on the clock and it ran brilliantly from day one and still is 8 years on.

 

[Scotch mist]

I have seen a thread on Exactly the question you ask , unfortunately I can’t find it (might have been on here ) , there is a way to identify the 180 , it is different from the 150 , I found this ,

the 2.3-litre Multijet2 180 which delivers the same torque and power – 177 HP and 400 Nm – as the earlier 3-litre engine but consumes nearly 20% less fuel (29% less than Euro 4) meaning that the payload can be increased by 40 kg. This outstanding result is also obtained by means of dedicated developments focused on improved turbocharger aerodynamics, a special steel crankshaft, reinforced pistons and a larger capacity fuel pump.

Unfortunately I can’t help with the way to identify

Once checked the other doubter had a 180 fitted so you’ll be fine

 

[BobtheBass]

Is there a red badge on the vehicle bonnet that says "power"? You only get one of these with a 180!

 

[Lenny HB]

Is there a red badge on the vehicle bonnet that says "power"? You only get one of these with a 180!

It's an A Class base vehicle badges not normally fitted.

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[Stretto Boy]

Sorry Lenny I wouldnt be happy with that!!

18 months before your new motor goes like a new motor

It will be 4 years for us I may have sold it by then!

 

[Chipster]

What do you expect the base is a commercial vehicle expected to do 20-50,000 miles a year.
Fiat consider it run in at 15,000 miles.

Our 150 Euro 6 was avery sluggish at first it gradually improved after 4000 and has been going well since 10,000 up to 16000 now, no improvement since 10,000.

Certainly concur. Now ours has got over 15k under its belt it’s got smoother and slightly more eager. I didn’t treat it with kid gloves either from new. Just drove it normally without over revving or allow to labour.

 

[Stephen Franklin]

We have a 180 engine on a 4500kg chassis. It felt far more powerful than the 150 on 4400kg we had before straight from new, far more so than the figures would suggest. It has loosened up noticeably after 1500 miles. The fuel consumption has been as good as the 150 as well at around 24 mpg. The 150 fuel consumption did improve with mileage so I expect there to be a slight improvement in the 180 as the miles increase.
I am very satisfied with the 180, and find it provides plenty of power and importantly doesn't require a downshift on the slightest incline like the 150 did.

 

[Alex]

Thanks Pandas
I have just checked vin plate under bonnet and sure enough I have engine FIAGL411B also new paper stickers on plastic top engine cover state this No also
Relief at last
Thanks for everyone’s reply’s
Alex

 

[Just smiffy]

And I thought our 2.3 150bhp has just started to drive nicely after finally been run in at 60k.....

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[Tea Bag]

but rpm needs to be above 2k all the time

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