EU Visa free for 3 month after Brexit

[MHdreaming]

Sorry if this has been posted already

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-travel-visa-free-Europe-no-deal-Brexit.html

 

[TheTwoOfUs]

Apparently you will be OK with a number plate with the Union Flag on but not one with the Union Flag and the EU flag.

 

[Vic]

GB sticker?

 

[maison]

I am waiting to see if will be possible to stay for more than 90 days in 180, even if a Visa is necessary.

 

[laneside]

Don’t panic, remember when aeroplanes were going to fall out of the sky at midnight as the year 2000 came in. This World is full of doom merchants and sad sods.

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[Zepp]

My brexit kit came today lm ready

 

[maison]

Don’t panic, remember when aeroplanes were going to fall out of the sky at midnight as the year 2000 came in. This World is full of doom merchants and sad sods.

Have you been talking to my wife?

That’s exactly the comparison she uses having been threatened with catastrophic loss of medical records owing to 2YK.

It caused me problems too. I spent the Millenium Eve in our Fire Service Control and despatch Room waiting for all the systems to crash at midnight.

In the event we experienced electronic communication failure on the turn-out system for three fire stations out of a total of 52. This was rectified within three hours.

The doom merchant computer “experts” must have made a fortune on the run up to year 2000.

 

[ctc]

It doesn't hurt to be prepared for the worst, of course Titanic builders won't worry.

 

[sallylillian]

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My brexit kit came today lm ready

Where did you get that "plastic" chrome GB thingy Paul? Looks pretty smart.

 

[DBK]

I am waiting to see if will be possible to stay for more than 90 days in 180, even if a Visa is necessary.

It looks unlikely as things stand. There are visas available for long stays but they are for specific reasons like students, work etc. I've met Australians and US folk who were only limited to three months in any six. The same rules will apply to us unless some sort of agreement is struck.

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[Paddywack]

That’s exactly the comparison she uses having been threatened with catastrophic loss of medical records owing to 2YK.

It caused me problems too. I spent the Millenium Eve in our Fire Service Control and despatch Room waiting for all the systems to crash at midnight.

In the event we experienced electronic communication failure on the turn-out system for three fire stations out of a total of 52. This was rectified within three hours.

The doom merchant computer “experts” must have made a fortune on the run up to year 2000.

So in effect what you are saying is that because a lot of resources where directed at a potential problem, the serious problem identified by experts was avoided?

I think a lot of folk drawing parallels to the 2YK issue and the fact that it wasn't the disaster predicted seem to forget how many resources were thrown at making sure it didn't become a self fulfilling prophecy.

 

[Zepp]

Where did you get that "plastic" chrome GB thingy Paul? Looks pretty smart.

eBay. I can’t find the exact one but I found this one I’m sure if you do a search it will come up , I’m on my phone in Spain and the internet is poor.

 

[MisterB]

I am waiting to see if will be possible to stay for more than 90 days in 180, even if a Visa is necessary.

I am sure the businesses, campsites, bars (and bloody vets) throughout Europe would love to see more of us on holiday for longer. I reckon more Brits spend longer holidaying (and spending without being a burden on their social security systems - where they exist) long term in mainland Europe, than 'europeans' do into the UK.

if they think its sensible to stop that money flowing into their economy then its only their citizens who will suffer.

if I had a crystal ball I would predict long term holiday NON WORKING visas will be available and potentially visas for each country, after all if you want to holiday and spend in one of the mainland European countries, you can bet there's another one next door who would rather have you in their country and supporting their economy -that's their problem to sort out not ours ! I think the solution will be based around pre booked return tickets and potentially local confirmation of holiday residence.

as an example, the site we have our mobile home on has around 8 English families - mainly retired. site fees amount to around 20 000 euros, then there is the money spent in the economy - so there's another 10 000 euros - making that at least 30 000 euros off one small site. multiply that by a lot of sites throughout Europe and that's a lot of money flowing into the local economies.

it makes sense for mainland Europe to introduce something after the initial kerfuffle has died down but I would expect a charge to be imposed, but which country gets the money if a charge is imposed ....

 

[sylvester1954]

"But anyone planning to drive to Portugal would need a 1949 version IDP for Spain, and possibly a 1968 version if they intend to drive through France."
What happens if you are already driving around Europe should March 28th bring about No Deal Brexit...I cant imagine that the authorities demand that you park up on the side of the road until you manage to purchase the new/proposed documents from the UK and then to get it delivered to a postbox nearby or would you have to buy one from the authorities of the country that you are driving through ?

 

[maison]

So in effect what you are saying is that because a lot of resources where directed at a potential problem, the serious problem identified by experts was avoided?

I think a lot of folk drawing parallels to the 2YK issue and the fact that it wasn't the disaster predicted seem to forget how many resources were thrown at making sure it didn't become a self fulfilling prophecy.

We will never know whether or not it was necessary.

It’s impossible to prove a negative.

Post Brexit, if it ever happens, remainers and Brexiteers will take whatever happens to prove their earlier assertions.

My main point was that “experts” invariably have a vested interest.

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[maison]

It looks unlikely as things stand. There are visas available for long stays but they are for specific reasons like students, work etc. I've met Australians and US folk who were only limited to three months in any six. The same rules will apply to us unless some sort of agreement is struck.

There goes our place in France then.

Not economic sense to keep it.

Our spending in France will cease, together with several thousand others. We will survive but will some of the French rural villages when they lose the spending power of the (reasonably) well off British residents.

I know our area will suffer if we all have to give up.

 

[MisterB]

There goes our place in France then.

Not economic sense to keep it.

Our spending in France will cease, together with several thousand others. We will survive but will some of the French rural villages when they lose the spending power of the (reasonably) well off British residents.

I know our area will suffer if we all have to give up.

see my previous post - I am sure something will be introduced

 

[DBK]

There goes our place in France then.

Not economic sense to keep it.

Our spending in France will cease, together with several thousand others. We will survive but will some of the French rural villages when they lose the spending power of the (reasonably) well off British residents.

I know our area will suffer if we all have to give up.

I would hold off until things are clearer before taking any irreversible action. The downside of course is many other folk might be selling up at the same time.

If you are happy to wait perhaps even several years I would do so as you could still use the place for three months in the Spring and the same again in the Autumn - or even rent it out for holiday lets if you can legally.

 

[gus-lopez]

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Unfortunately neither of them is legal.
The only legal type is defined in the 1968 Road traffic convention & being black letters on a white background.
"The letters shall have a height of at least 0.08 m and their strokes a width of at least 0.01 m.

The letters shall be painted in black on a white ground having the shape of an ellipse with the major axis horizontal.

The dimensions of the axes of the ellipse [of the sticker] shall be at least:
(b) 0.175 m and 0.115m if the distinguishing sign comprises less than
three letters."
Annexe 3
DISTINGUISHING SIGN OF MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAILERS
IN INTERNATIONAL TRAFFIC

No;1

http://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/conventn/crt1968e.pdf

Page no; 46

 

[klaatu]

We will never know whether or not it was necessary.

We already know. It was.

From personal experience, I can tell you that without a lot of work done to fix actual Y2K problems in computer code, there would have been serious issues with computer systems run by the DSS, Inland Revenue, the NHS, the AA, several major banks and building societies, and the list goes on. That’s just the systems that I was personally involved with.

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[nicholsong]

"But anyone planning to drive to Portugal would need a 1949 version IDP for Spain, and possibly a 1968 version if they intend to drive through France."
What happens if you are already driving around Europe should March 28th bring about No Deal Brexit...I cant imagine that the authorities demand that you park up on the side of the road until you manage to purchase the new/proposed documents from the UK and then to get it delivered to a postbox nearby or would you have to buy one from the authorities of the country that you are driving through ?

How many times do I have to point out on numerous threads n various forums that acceptance by countries of foreign licences is governed by their ratification of

Geneva Convention

Vienna Convention

Which most countries signed and ratified before the EU even existed, and their oblgations under these Conventions continue. UK and mosto f European countries are signatories to, and have ratified, both.

The French have already published the requirements after Brexit and they are the same as now, with no mention of IDP, at least for Conventin countries' licences.

Geoff

 

[maison]

We already know. It was.

From personal experience, I can tell you that without a lot of work done to fix actual Y2K problems in computer code, there would have been serious issues with computer systems run by the DSS, Inland Revenue, the NHS, the AA, several major banks and building societies, and the list goes on. That’s just the systems that I was personally involved with.

I don’t mean any disrespect to you, personally.

However, how many home computers failed because of 2YK?

None of my friends or colleagues had any problems with PC’s, despite the dire predictions.

Business computers were upgraded, as were ours, because of the fear of failure.

Yes, much was done to “alleviate” the perceived problems. The fact that hundreds of thousands of pounds were spent replacing computer systems is indisputable.

Whether or not it was necessary we will never know. Once the system had been replaced there was no way to know what would have happened if the “old” systems had been retained.

Your quoted systems may well have required upgrades. I know how much it cost my Fire Service to upgrade. Some of our IT department insisted an upgrade was necessary, some disagreed. Because of the nature of an emergency service we decided that we couldn’t take the chance.

Even after the event the IT department were still divided on whether or not it was necessary.

 

[klaatu]

Even after the event the IT department were still divided on whether or not it was necessary.

We knew that our software needed fixing, because we spent a lot of time looking at the code and actually seeing the problems. Whether personal computers needed upgrading, I can’t say - but I know that there were bugs in Windows which Microsoft fixed.

We (a large multi-national computer company) didn’t replace any of our personal computers because of fear of Y2K problems. Perhaps others were poorly advised, and I take your point that a lot of conmen may have made a lot of money out if it. The fact remains that the Y2K bug was a very real problem.

“The facts of the Y2K bug and why it was nothing like Brexit” - https://www.itpro.co.uk/bugs/32143/the-facts-of-the-y2k-bug-and-why-it-was-nothing-like-brexit

 

[Cheshirecat57]

There goes our place in France then.

Not economic sense to keep it.

Our spending in France will cease, together with several thousand others. We will survive but will some of the French rural villages when they lose the spending power of the (reasonably) well off British residents.

I know our area will suffer if we all have to give up.

The French will shrug their shoulders and find someone else to resent

 

[sylvester1954]

How many times do I have to point out on numerous threads n various forums that acceptance by countries of foreign licences is governed by their ratification of

Geneva Convention

Vienna Convention

Which most countries signed and ratified before the EU even existed, and their oblgations under these Conventions continue. UK and mosto f European countries are signatories to, and have ratified, both.

The French have already published the requirements after Brexit and they are the same as now, with no mention of IDP, at least for Conventin countries' licences.

Geoff

Ooops well thats told me then

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[Gooney]

I spent 6 months before Y2K on a nice project checking with all our suppliers that they were all compliant and if not what were they going to do about it, we had regular management meetings to monitor and all seemed to be going well until it occurred to me that although our fire alarms system were all solid they were dependant on the security guard in the gatehouse calling the fire brigade in the case of an ‘event’. I raised the issue at the next Y2K meeting, what if the Guards rang in sick, ( I had already checked with the security company about guard backup and they could not guarantee support) I suggested we needed to insensitise the guards who were rota’d in for New Year’s Eve, the response from the Site Manager left me gobsmacked!! After spending tens and tens of thousands on the Y2K preparation he said “good point can you get them some tins of biscuits or something”.....I finally negotiated a bonus of £100 for both the guards.

 

[Zepp]

Where did you get that "plastic" chrome GB thingy Paul? Looks pretty smart.

If you order the full brexit kit make sure you order a xl in the jacket because mine is a bit tight around the chest

 

[maxi77]

There goes our place in France then.

Not economic sense to keep it.

Our spending in France will cease, together with several thousand others. We will survive but will some of the French rural villages when they lose the spending power of the (reasonably) well off British residents.

I know our area will suffer if we all have to give up.

Most of the sensible ones will have gone for residence, like many top brexiteer politicians, and many of us in Portugal, we got ours just after Christmas. Certainly all the longer term expats here have signed up. The Portuguese government has bent over backwards and the UK embassy staff have been giving talks to expats as well.

 

[tuscancouple]

From personal experience, I can tell you that without a lot of work done to fix actual Y2K problems in computer code, there would have been serious issues with computer systems run by the DSS, Inland Revenue, the NHS, the AA, several major banks and building societies, and the list goes on. That’s just the systems that I was personally involved with.

And the company I was with made a SERIOUS amount of money out of the whole Y2K non-issue! Should ask a similar question of the gloom and doom spreaders around now over B!

Mick

 

[maison]

@Chesire

Most of the sensible ones will have gone for residence, like many top brexiteer politicians, and many of us in Portugal, we got ours just after Christmas. Certainly all the longer term expats here have signed up. The Portuguese government has bent over backwards and the UK embassy staff have been giving talks to expats as well.

if you are resident in the Country that makes sense, but for those of us who are residents of the UK and live in Europe for 5 months + each year it doesn’t apply.

We spend almost half the year and almost half of our disposable income in France.

The loss of income for France will not cripple their economy but every little helps.

We have come to the conclusion that, if we have to sell up, we will spend more time in the U.K.

Our money will then help the British economy. It’s not exactly what we want but we will, as always, do what is necessary.

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