Cite Europe - man under van (1 Viewer)

[Gillygrim]

I like to think I, like the majority of people, am not racist, sexist, ageist or any of the other 'ists' that have become common nowadays. I treat everyone as I find them regardless of their race, colour or creed etc. However, as far as immigrants are concerned I have to point out that it would seem as though a very large majority are young, fit males, mostly with decent clothes and expensive phones and enough money to pay thousands to people smugglers. If they are fleeing terrible conditions and persecution in their home countries what happens to the wives and children they have abandoned to their fate ?

 

[sylvester1954]

I don't know if anyone watched the recent BBC documentary "Once upon a time in Iraq" but it confirms how we (UK and USA) well and truly screwed the Iraqi people after our so called invasion earlier this century. We wrecked the country, its infrastructure and its dignity setting it back 100 years or more. So who can blame any of them trying to find a better, safer life rather than suffering the life that they have been through. If you haven't watched said documentary l urge you to do so.

 

[Brockley]

32,500 migrants entered Spain from Africa in 2019, many scaling barbed wire fences surrounding the Spanish enclaves of Melilla and Ceuta In Morocco. Have a look at news footage on YouTube showing young fit men scaling these seemingly impenetrable barriers over the last few years.

Where are the older migrants? Where are the women and children? Happy to stay and lead their lives under persecution or just abandoned?

Over the years we’ve seen countless heartbreaking scenes of refugees fleeing war torn and politically unstable regimes, bedraggled lines of people, all ages, families sticking together.

What worries me about these young men is their aggression and determination without fear and using whatever means necessary to get into Europe. Ideal citizens?

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[Mick Kennedy]

Yes, that is part of the issue, isn't it - ''ideal citizens''. I'm sure lots of them would be great to have, with their can-do attitude and the spunk and inventiveness they display in trying to achieve their aim (assuming those energies are channeled in the right direction). But, sadly, a large number have been exposed to influences in their formative years that make their norms incompatible with our own and that leads to much less chance of smooth assimilation, an assimilation that would prove beneficial, and not harmful, to us. I'm not just talking about child soldiers or people from war-torn areas (God help them) having become potentially inured to violence compared to western societies, but also just social ''attitudes.'' To give an example - I work in Africa in the oil industry and the company I work for drilled and installed water wells in several villages as a PR/goodwill gesture to the local communities to give them access to clean and readily available water. But within short order, some of the local men destroyed the wells because they felt it was emancipating the women - giving the females too much spare time on their hands instead of having to walk miles with their pots and bowls to collect water from the river. Imagine the difficulties in changing that mindset to fit in with our own egalitarian aims. There are a million aspects to it all and, despite the OP saying he wasn't interested in us digressing into this, here we are. I don't think we'll solve this ''problem'' on a motorhome forum, but it's good at least that we can swap opinions (politely) about it and share info with each other. Thanks to the OP, too, for the info. I will definitely be checking under my own van from now on. I thought I had all bases covered with my extra security locks on all doors and apertures, but it seems not..............

 

[Rob Turner]

If any of them would like to crawl on top of my axle this afternoon, I will gladly drop them off in Dijon.
For a small fee obviously.

 

[Zepp]

We are there now and the security guard came over to warn us about the migrants trying to hide under the vans .... nice guy

Lynne has gone shopping and I am staying with the van he is warning everyone about the migrants even the French in cars

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[nicholsong]

We are there now and the security guard came over to warn us about the migrants trying to hide under the vans .... nice guy

Lynne has gone shopping and I am staying with the van he is warning everyone about the migrants even the French in cars

Have you heard about migrants who dress up as security guards and go knocking on vans to find out which are occupied? Then tip off their mates - for a 'fee' of course.

 

[Tony V]

If you have bikes on the back and have covered them, it might be a good idea to remove the cover at some point. Some friends have just been advised to do this as a young migrant had managed to get into the gap between a van and the bike rack and under the cover [not theirs]. Luckily he was spotted and asked to leave.

 

[GAVLAD]

Must have got worse for the security guard to go warning people in all vehicles.
Keep safe and secure if you stop off here folks

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[denisejoe]

The migrants who come over are taken to a border control office and as none have papers they are then released and told to report to an immigration centre on a date in the future. How many do you think are going to turn up?
our prisons are full as are the few detention centres we have and they were run by G4 not sure now though

 

[gus-lopez]

He had noticed some movement and checked his bikes only to find 2 young men hiding under his bike cover.

I wouldn't be doing that until I'd sprayed under with a deterent.

2,500 migrants entered Spain from Africa in 2019, many scaling barbed wire fences surrounding the Spanish enclaves of Melilla and Ceuta In Morocco. Have a look at news footage on YouTube showing young fit men scaling these seemingly impenetrable barriers over the last few years.

Yes & they go straight back through the border gates. I've no idea why they bother.

Ideal citizens?

What do you think?

Imagine the difficulties in changing that mindset to fit in

You can't that is why they need to be stopped from coming or despatched in any way-

If any of them would like to crawl on top of my axle this afternoon, I will gladly drop them off in Dijon.
For a small fee obviously.

But I bet you wouldn't be happy if they snapped off the abs connectors usually located on top of the axles.

 

[dabhand]

Thats because there all being helped and assisted by the french coastguard to sail over into English waters where we put them up in hotels . . .

And rightly so

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[Langtoftlad]

I have to feel sympathy with anyone who genuinely feels they are at risk in their own country - and that the only way they feel they will be safe is to risk their lives trying to get elsewhere.

Agreed.
But not so much for those who don't stay in the first country of safety, as per the rules.
And none for those illegal economic criminal 'migrants' who flout the law, trying to queue jump.

 

[Puddleduck]

Agreed.
But not so much for those who don't stay in the first country of safety, as per the rules.
And none for those illegal economic criminal 'migrants' who flout the law, trying to queue jump.

Exactly.

Become legal in the first country of safety and then re-assess the situation and find out all the details.

I do wonder if many of the people trying to get to the UK think it is a land of milk and honey with streets of gold .......... if so then a reality check and education would be in order.

 

[dabhand]

Don’t be blaming the illegals if France is turning a blind eye and Britain doesn’t have a clue what to do to with them for fear of offending someone! It’s a cohesive, fair and workable policy that’s required.

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[GMLS]

We popped in for the first time yesterday. As we drove into the M/H parking area, there were 3 or 4 of them hiding in the trees. There was a couple of unattended motorhomes so I decided to stay and give the dog a walk while the rest of the family popped inside. As soon as I took the dog out you could see he made them uneasy and they walked off to find a car with a large roof box instead

 

[Gillygrim]

I still want to know what happens to the ageing parents, wives and families they so 'gallantly' leave behind.......

 

[Stanbrook]

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[Rob Turner]

I wouldn't be doing that until I'd sprayed under with a deterent.
Yes & they go straight back through the border gates. I've no idea why they bother.


What do you think?
You can't that is why they need to be stopped from coming or despatched in any way-

But I bet you wouldn't be happy if they snapped off the abs connectors usually located on top of the axles.

I’m sure the small fee would cover any damaged caused.

 

[Oldbob]

I still want to know what happens to the ageing parents, wives and families they so 'gallantly' leave behind.......

Is always young men, hardly ever see women, girls or should I say females trying to get here.

 

[Spriddler]

Where are the older migrants? Where are the women and children? Happy to stay and lead their lives under persecution or just abandoned?

Isn't it the case that once they've been granted leave to remain they can bring all their family over?
On their 'Right to have a Family life'?

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[PhilMary]

Completely idiotic and moronic statement straight out of the Daily Mail handbook. Well done

And again earlier this morning.
Phil

 

[PhilMary]

They don't get Government help here either. I'm aghast at the ignorant amongst us who think that an illegal immigrant can just rock up at the local council office and be given a house and thousands of pounds in benefits.

The clue in the whole thing is that they are ILLEGAL. Look up the word and see what it means. An illegal person would be detained and their staus checked as to whether they had any legitimate claim for asylum. Looking for a better life; ie an economic migrant is not suffiicent. They would have to prove persecution or that their lives were in danger in their home country, otherwise they are on the next flight out of the country.

Meanwhile during the six months it all takes, the illegals are put up in 4 star hotels and given free bed and board!
Phil

 

[jongood]

I don't know if anyone watched the recent BBC documentary "Once upon a time in Iraq" but it confirms how we (UK and USA) well and truly screwed the Iraqi people after our so called invasion earlier this century. We wrecked the country, its infrastructure and its dignity setting it back 100 years or more. So who can blame any of them trying to find a better, safer life rather than suffering the life that they have been through. If you haven't watched said documentary l urge you to do so.

Indeed it is a real shame that the lives of genuine Asylum seekers from places like Iraq and Syria have been made so much more difficult by all and sundry jumping on the bandwagon for ambitious reasons.

its also a shame that amongst their neighbours, some of which like Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc are very wealthy countries with similar cultures only Jordan are willing to offer any help to them.

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[jongood]

Meanwhile during the six months it all takes, the illegals are put up in 4 star hotels and given free bed and board!
Phil

And despite what Igor_Blimey says they dont actually hang around to be deported.

 

[Gillygrim]

Isn't it the case that once they've been granted leave to remain they can bring all their family over?
On their 'Right to have a Family life'?

Surely, if conditions are so bad that they will risk everything to get away, the people they leave behind will suffer even more? If they were allowed to leave without sanctions they wouldn't need to use people smugglers. Logic says they are not all kind, mistreated, misunderstood young men who only want to escape, find a better life and set up a picket fenced home they can then bring their patiently waiting families to. I'm sure there are some genuine asylum seekers but common sense and observation tells us the majority are anything but.

 

[denisejoe]

Do they get legal aid to claim asylum

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[Spriddler]

Surely, if conditions are so bad that they will risk everything to get away, the people they leave behind will suffer even more?

I've heard/read in the News and documentaries that the family clubs together to raise the money for the journey/smugglers/traffickers and they send the fittest member because they have the best chance of making the trip to U.K. and thereafter send money back from Benefits or working under the radar until the rest can follow. If they never return their countries are denuded of their skills and the future will be very grim.
Whether that's the case or not I do wonder what would have happened if our heroic young men and women had run away when Britain was at war. I appreciate that it's not a fair comparison since on this island we were never in such dire and dangerous conditions as in the Middle East and without warring internal tribes/factions, nevertheless...........
Unfortunately, if the rest of the world doesn't take action to make it safe for them to stay in their own countries the migrations will never end until all those who want to be here are here. Millions potentially. Mind you, the West's interventions so far are partly to blame for the instability. They didn't dare rebel under Saddam and Gaddafi.

 

[Brockley]

Don’t be blaming the illegals if France is turning a blind eye and Britain doesn’t have a clue what to do to with them for fear of offending someone! It’s a cohesive, fair and workable policy that’s required.

Do you mean like Operation Sovereign Borders, a blueprint if ever there was one.

 

[Brockley]

Isn't it the case that once they've been granted leave to remain they can bring all their family over?
On their 'Right to have a Family life'?

My point is they have obviously abandoned family, wives and children in the first place unlike the traditional mass migrations for valid reasons. Yes they can sponsor family if their asylum is granted, but like the Australian policy dictates, you forego any right of asylum if you try to enter the country illegally because it isn’t fair to cue jump all of the deserving cases who apply through the correct proces.

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