Ci Carioca 625 real mpg figures

[timj4808]

Good afternoon all.

Earlier on this year we purchased a CI 625. It's a 2010 model with a 6 speed, 130bhp Ducato cab and engine. The sales man at the time proudly stated that we would comfortably expect to see 35 mpg on a run......yeah right I thought.

We have covered around 3000 miles over the summer / autumn period, and the trip computer shous our fuel consumption at just over 23mpg, although manual calculations show the actual figure at only 19mpg. We obviously didn't buy the van for it's green credentials or cheap running costs but I consider 19mpg to be very low. The van is never loaded anywhere close to it's capacity, the tyres are correctly inflated and all speeds are kept to the legal limits as conditions demand. Is this high consumption par for the course?

Also, is there any way of getting rid / reducing fixed panel rattles?

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Tim

 

[jonandshell]

Hi

We have a Transit-based 7m overcab and get a genuine 24-25 mpg.

We are a heavier van at 3800ish kg fully loaded for a trip away in 'summer mode'(we have weighed it!).
We do however, have lower speed limits which are 50mph on an A-road and 60mph on dual carriageways. You wouldn't believe how much difference just 10mph will make to fuel consumption!

Despite the fact we can go faster on dual carriageways and motorways, we plod along behind lorries at 56mph. Not doing so and doing 70mph pushes our economy down from 25mpg to 19mpg and below!

Chill, don't rush and you'll save a fortune!:thumb:

 

[Phill D]

We had a 2008 CI Carioca 746 overcab with 2.3 ltr x250 fiat and 6 speed. In the 3 years we had it never ever bettered 22 / 23 mpg.

When u say you have fixed panel rattles what do you mean? We used to get a lot of movement of the habitation which made doors and lockers creak.

Ps... at motorway 70 mph 20mpg was the norm

 

[pappajohn]

driving at legal speed limits.......

I assume that means 70mph on motorways ?

allegedly, driving at 70 will use 30% more fuel than driving at 55/60mph

also it isnt so much the speed...its how you get to speed.
drive it like a car and the fuel will suffer....0 to 60 times should be in minutes, not seconds.

the average mpg appears to be around the 25/26mpg mark for, what is basically, a large box van.

 

[hilldweller]

although manual calculations show the actual figure at only 19mpg. and all speeds are kept to the legal limits
Tim

I would trust the on board computer as much as a politician. Trust fill to fill.

Our 2L FIAT normally gets 25 mpg and to do this I do not go over 60. Once, just after having it chipped, I used the extra torque to Scotland and back, enjoyed it, but achieved 20 mpg.

Ease up on your right foot and get 25+.

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[Phill D]

As a comparison for you Tim, our current van a low profile 2.3ltr fiat x250, 6 speed euro 5 same driving style as our CI carioca i am currently getting 26+ mpg over 5500 miles on an as yet tight engine.

The overcab of our CI dad a massive effect at higher speeds and as you would expect in head winds.

 

[Letsgetaway]

We have a 2007 Rapido on the Fiat chassis with a 2.3l, 130bhp engine. Fully loaded it will achieve 28mpg when averaging 60mph.
Another way of increasing your mpg as well as lowering your speed is to use either 'branded' fuels or I use Millers Diesel Eco Max. This really does make a vast improvement (that you can actually feel) in power, performance, smoother running and mpg. It increases the diesel cetane by 4 times, cleans your engine and injectors and is safe for Euro 5 engines :thumb:
Just sharing what I've told by a diesel specialist who I've known for years.

It would be interesting to see how many of you use this additive?

Cheers
Simon

 

[Mel]

I ran a giotiline ilusion fiat chassis 3 lt manual 6 speed over two years from new averaged 28 mpg,
Now run a Rapido Fiat chassis 3 lt auto{robotic box} fullt loaded on first trip to Germany average 24 mpg.

Mel

 

[ukbill]

i have a cariosa 694 at 70mph i woiuld expect around 19 to 20 mpg but at 50 to 60 mph then i can get around 25 to 29 mpg

 

[buttons]

driving at legal speed limits.......

I assume that means 70mph on motorways ?

allegedly, driving at 70 will use 30% more fuel than driving at 55/60mph

also it isnt so much the speed...its how you get to speed.
drive it like a car and the fuel will suffer....0 to 60 times should be in minutes, not seconds.

the average mpg appears to be around the 25/26mpg mark for, what is basically, a large box van.

Driving at an unsafe speed on motorways is ok for your fuel consumption but you are a menace to other drivers. Lorries are restricted to 60mph driving below this speed will not only cause congestion and frustration it will require that every heavy lorry will be creeping past you causing middle land mayhem while you are saving a few pence. Between 65 and 70 is a safe motorway speed not 55.oh:

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[buttons]

We have a 2007 Rapido on the Fiat chassis with a 2.3l, 130bhp engine. Fully loaded it will achieve 28mpg when averaging 60mph.
Another way of increasing your mpg as well as lowering your speed is to use either 'branded' fuels or I use Millers Diesel Eco Max. This really does make a vast improvement (that you can actually feel) in power, performance, smoother running and mpg. It increases the diesel cetane by 4 times, cleans your engine and injectors and is safe for Euro 5 engines :thumb:
Just sharing what I've told by a diesel specialist who I've known for years.

It would be interesting to see how many of you use this additive?

Cheers
Simon

With standard cars, it generally does not benefit the engine if the driver fills it with a gasoline that features an octane rating more than the amount recommended by the manufacturer. Similarly, vehicles that run on diesel do not perform any better by using fuel with a cetane number higher than the recommended amount for that specific engine. Despite this, there is sometimes a misconception that any higher cetane number will result in better engine performance and power. Labels can sometimes be misleading.

 

[jonandshell]

Driving at an unsafe speed on motorways is ok for your fuel consumption but you are a menace to other drivers. Lorries are restricted to 60mph driving below this speed will not only cause congestion and frustration it will require that every heavy lorry will be creeping past you causing middle land mayhem while you are saving a few pence. Between 65 and 70 is a safe motorway speed not 55.oh:

Wrong!

Although HGVs can legally do 60 mph, EU legislation dictates that a 90kph (56mph) limiter must be fitted.

56mph is pefectly safe in the slow lane.

 

[buttons]

Wrong!

Although HGVs can legally do 60 mph, EU legislation dictates that a 90kph (56mph) limiter must be fitted.

56mph is pefectly safe in the slow lane.

As an HGV has a calibrated tacho its speedo will be considerably more accurate than yours, hence the perception of lorries tailgating in roadworks, he's trying to do 50, you're probably doing a true 45 but don't realise it. Your 56 is more than likely only 50. As I said it is not to be recommended. Forget about the few extra mph traval at a safe speed.:thumb:

 

[jonandshell]

As an HGV has a calibrated tacho its speedo will be considerably more accurate than yours, hence the perception of lorries tailgating in roadworks, he's trying to do 50, you're probably doing a true 45 but don't realise it. Your 56 is more than likely only 50. As I said it is not to be recommended. Forget about the few extra mph traval at a safe speed.:thumb:

Good point about speedos!

We already know that an indicated 59mph is really 56mph on our van.
The most accurate speedo you will have will be your satnav. Measuring distance covered over time is more accurate than counting wheel rotations.
There is still nothing dangerous in following lorries in the slow lane though. It's no different to another lorry being there......

 

[aba]

As an HGV has a calibrated tacho its speedo will be considerably more accurate than yours, hence the perception of lorries tailgating in roadworks, he's trying to do 50, you're probably doing a true 45 but don't realise it. Your 56 is more than likely only 50. As I said it is not to be recommended. Forget about the few extra mph traval at a safe speed.:thumb:

dont forget that new HGV's are limited to 52 mph.

and Buttons forgive my bluntness but the lorry tailgating you at 50mph through roadworks is actually wishing you would get your foot down so he can do 56mph so he can get to his drop point before his driving hours run out.

also most motorway roadworks are now on average speed cameras so you only have to drop to 45mph once every couple of miles to not get a speeding ticket.

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[buttons]

dont forget that new HGV's are limited to 52 mph.

and Buttons forgive my bluntness but the lorry tailgating you at 50mph through roadworks is actually wishing you would get your foot down so he can do 56mph so he can get to his drop point before his driving hours run out.

also most motorway roadworks are now on average speed cameras so you only have to drop to 45mph once every couple of miles to not get a speeding ticket.

Not sure what all this has to do with motorhomes driving too slowly on motorways but for the above reasons I think that a motorhome driving at 50 mph on the motorway leaves havoc in its wake.