Cheaper all electric motoring

[hymerman]

Interesting article on TV last night with regard to cheaper all electric motoring in a decade or so.
The government currently makes about £35,000,000,000 a year from duty on petrol and diesel.
Therefore once we all have to go all electric, with that shortfall in tax revenue having to be made up somehow with so called green taxes or whatever.
So no matter what people may think, that motoring will become cheaper , it most certainly will not.

 

[Jamesh]

I rekon they will use smart motorway gantry's to tax motorway use and then up the car tax to cover local journeys.

Cheers James

 

[Just smiffy]

Didn’t they once say buy a diesel car because it’s cheaper…?

 

[gus-lopez]

Did you also see that scapps has now stated all home installed charging points will now have to meet new regs as well as planning.
Won't be long before they will state that you have to make them available to everyone when not inuse by yourself?

 

[Spriddler]

Did you also see that scapps has now stated all home installed charging points will now have to meet new regs as well as planning.

They'll probably give the installation contract to a single company - Group 4 or some such but owned by a family member.
We remember Ernest Marples, Minister of Transport and his involvement in the Hammersmith Flyover and motorway construction business Marples Ridgway of which he had been managing director, and which was one of repeated concern regarding possible conflict of interest.

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[63720]

If taxes were properly green it would be applied on the Co2 produced while manufacturing the vehic!e - just as relevant in the long run.

 

[joe and sue]

Didn’t they once say buy a diesel car because it’s cheaper…?

And less toxic emissions

 

[Googlebot]

The chargers are subject to Part P of the building regs anyway as an outside installation and require verification by a sparky.

Make hay while the sun shines.

 

[Richard n Ann]

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[Gromett]

Interesting article on TV last night with regard to cheaper all electric motoring in a decade or so.
The government currently makes about £35,000,000,000 a year from duty on petrol and diesel.
Therefore once we all have to go all electric, with that shortfall in tax revenue having to be made up somehow with so called green taxes or whatever.
So no matter what people may think, that motoring will become cheaper , it most certainly will not.

Here is a little maths you might find interesting.

A renault Twizzy will get 6.1 miles per KWh whilst a Tesla Model 3 will get 4.4 miles per KWh.
Lets take the midpoint as 5 miles per KWh.

Bear with these are important figures

The average cost of 1KWh in the UK is 15p.
So using the average miles per KWh of 5 and the average cost as 15p per KWh we get 3p per mile.

Diesel costs £1.32 per Litre (as per my last fillup) and I get 30MPG.

A gallon is 4.5 Litres. so It costs me £5.94 per gallon. Which equates to 19.8p per mile.

If my van did 40 MPG that would equate to 14.85p per mile.

20% of that diesel is VAT
57.95p per litre is fuel duty.

So for each mile you do in your vehicle the government gets
@30mpg = 8.69p in duty and 3.3p in VAT for a total of 11.99p per mile.
@40mpg = 6.5p in duty and 2.5p in VAT for a total of 9p per mile.

So lets say the government sets the mileage tax at 10p per mile.
In an EV you would therefore be paying 13p per mile in total costs once you add in the 3p per KWh if you don't go for the cheaper tariff.

Compare this to 19.8p @ 30mpg and 14.85p @ 40mpg you currently spend and you are onto a winner still. That is before you even get into the cost savings on maintenance, and the savings to health and mental health.


The above figures come with the big caveat that they are back of the fag packet, rounded to oblivion and some guess work involved.

BUT, the government would be unlikely to get away with revenue being higher on an EV than a diesel car. The stink caused by charging more than being revenue neutral would not shift easily and would risk them not coming to power again for a while. Motorists wouldn't be quick to forgive them after being forced to buy EV's if they made them more expensive.

PS: The government already makes 5% VAT on electric as I understand it. This has to be taken into account. The money raised from this will ramp up massively as we go all electric in the future.

My point in the above is the government can raise the same amount of money as they do now, whilst still keeping EV's cheaper to own and run than current diesel/petrol cars.

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