Rally Chat CCC THS (1 Viewer)

[Richard n Ann]

There are other places to go though, we often tour from one THS to another THS.

Yeah I had a good look round on the app, nothing I was interested in. I'll rejoin the club when/if the availability improves.

 

[TheBig1]

I just can't see how it applies when you are using a site with mains drainage. Yes, makes sense for a campsite like at a music festival where it's all not on mains, but for a school site with mains water and drainage, it's massively massively overstating their position.

A good "club" organisation would be lobbying on this point alone along with the local water board to point these points out.

Welcome to my insane world. Any normal club would talk nicely then lawyer up if needed. In the case I mentioned, we were specifically told not to rock the boat and fight it, lest it spread to other THS sites. We did as told and it spread quicker than the club could respond. I became a thorn in the national council's side, insisting certain reports were minuted nationally. This made them look very stupid and I got told off but couldn't give a shit. More than one national councillor on my friend list with personal numbers in my phone. These friends report back on the trouble I have caused.

Locally we have a dialogue open with local and parish councils and some THS sites have been encouraged to apply for licences. This will totally undermine the objections and planning blocks

 

[starquake]

Welcome to my insane world. Any normal club would talk nicely then lawyer up if needed. In the case I mentioned, we were specifically told not to rock the boat and fight it, lest it spread to other THS sites. We did as told and it spread quicker than the club could respond. I became a thorn in the national council's side, insisting certain reports were minuted nationally. This made them look very stupid and I got told off but couldn't give a shit. More than one national councillor on my friend list with personal numbers in my phone. These friends report back on the trouble I have caused.

Locally we have a dialogue open with local and parish councils and some THS sites have been encouraged to apply for licences. This will totally undermine the objections and planning blocks

Indeed, surely its as SIMPLE as a van on a site won't drop waste on the ground (unless it has a fault) so the only water falling on site would be that from the sky which hits the van roof before going to ground versus no vans being on site = it just hitting ground direct.

I just fail to see how no-one is seeing sense on this simple point.

Ref licenses, the point of the fact they shouldn't be needed in first place as you say undermines your case if you start paying this. Anyone "paying" for these is undermining the case they shouldn't be charged in the first place as assuming no fault there is no nitrates. It's like they want to charge for a very unlikely event in reality-> A good lawyer would surely point out they are assuming guilt before innocence here, if the Rally marshalls took to undertake they would check the waste tank didn't leak before someone coming on site surely that would make this a more sensible conversation.

Assuming all units are self-contained must come into the picture for THS. I think this also may be a reason why the national "events" are so espensive this year (we are going to Clubfest for first time before our membership lapses) -> with clubfest being 3x the cost total of a another bank holiday weekend event we are going to with similar "mostly cover" bands in attendance.

I mean I totally see how Glastonbury/other large camping events may have a nitrates issue given their scale, and the fact people are known to not entirely obey the hygine arrangement... But a small rally only inviting self-contained motorhomes/caravans is a different matter. And it looks to me like the legislation is aimed at these large events without considering the "small" ones where as you've pointed out their small Rallys can pay for a large amount of the years maintaince bills for some smaller landowners. This HAS to be lobbied for by the clubs or I'd be asking why they exist in the first place. It does bring the quesiton of are the clubs actually clubs/lobbying for the industry or arethey just large campsite operators? If they are the latter surely we need a new Lobbying organisation.

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[TheBig1]

The clubs are lobbying and paying specialist lawyers. Remember this is all being foisted on us by ultimately government legislation. Every tier of bureaucracy that we have challenged on the decision pushes the decision up to the the agency that is enforcing it on them. Local council -> Natural England-> Environmental people -> Government And they say it is based on the old European legislation. Yes I know we are not in the EU, but we were when the ball started rolling with the legislation being enacted now