Cambelt & Water Pump change quote from local Fiat garage today.

Mine is booked in (again as lift failed) at Motorhome / Fiat dealers cam belt and water pump £1090 incl vat.

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PhilandMena said:
2011 2.3 l Fiat X 250. Wait for it............ £1,450.00
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I hope you didn't ask them to do the waterpump?
On most, unless there is an obvious problem, it's unnecessary and most do not do it but will do if specifically asked and its no small job on a X250.
 
Check if the waterpump is driven by the cambelt or auxiliary belt.
If it is driven by the auxiliary belt then you do not really need to change it as pump failure will not affect the cambelt and associated catastrophic affects. On my 3 Ltr x250 the waterpump is also the engine mount and is a pig to change. I suspect it might be the same on the 2.3.

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Bartyfixedit said:
Check if the waterpump is driven by the cambelt or auxiliary belt.
If it is driven by the auxiliary belt then you do not really need to change it as pump failure will not affect the cambelt and associated catastrophic affects. On my 3 Ltr x250 the waterpump is also the engine mount and is a pig to change. I suspect it might be the same on the 2.3.
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I think you'll find your 3ltr is chain driven timing, not belt? :unsure:
 
I think most of these Fiat Professional places get away with charging these prices because it's mostly commercial stuff they deal with and those companies just pay it. Private individuals don't.
 
Couple of points on the various comments.
It does seem expensive, however these are main agents working to the Fiat approved schedule and using Fiat genuine parts at their listed price, they will (or at least should) carry out the work to the approved schedule i.e. do the job as per the Fiat manual, that will ensure the job is done thoroughly and correctly using the correct tools.
Perhaps a good idea if those that decry the charges familiarised themselves with exactly that that entails, they may be surprised.
The job can be carried out more quickly / cheaply by omitting some of the recommended steps and using pattern parts (yes I'm aware of the "who makes Fiat parts" argument) I'd guess most of the very low costs some continue to report will be doing exactly that.
There is every possibility that a cheapo job will work out OK but there is just as much a possibility that it won't, I've seen questions and references to vans running poorly after belt changes, which I would bet are caused by making short cuts to the procedures that Fiat recommend.
If you want to save money get the job done by a company / someone that you can trust from previous knowledge or recommendation, that will be able to charge a more reasonable hourly rate than the £100 an hour of the main agent.

The cam belt does drive the water pump as well as the high pressure fuel pump, which has to be removed to change the water pump.

Might be better if some that reply had actual knowledge of what is entailed, rather than relying on hearsay and keyboard mechanics.
 
pappajohn said:
£100+vat as a minimum hourly rate of which the mechanic may get £15.
Even when I bought my brand new Toyota Hilux pickup in 2004 it never saw a Toyota dealers workshop for anything.
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Not far out. When mine went into limp mode in 2018 the main agent were on £120 ph.
 
Bartyfixedit said:
Check if the waterpump is driven by the cambelt or auxiliary belt.
If it is driven by the auxiliary belt then you do not really need to change it as pump failure will not affect the cambelt and associated catastrophic affects. On my 3 Ltr x250 the waterpump is also the engine mount and is a pig to change. I suspect it might be the same on the 2.3.
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I thought that the 3 litre was a chain cam?

At those prices I am glad that my LV has a chain cam engine (Merc)

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eurajohn said:
Couple of points on the various comments.
It does seem expensive, however these are main agents working to the Fiat approved schedule and using Fiat genuine parts at their listed price, they will (or at least should) carry out the work to the approved schedule i.e. do the job as per the Fiat manual, that will ensure the job is done thoroughly and correctly using the correct tools.
Perhaps a good idea if those that decry the charges familiarised themselves with exactly that that entails, they may be surprised.
The job can be carried out more quickly / cheaply by omitting some of the recommended steps and using pattern parts (yes I'm aware of the "who makes Fiat parts" argument) I'd guess most of the very low costs some continue to report will be doing exactly that.
There is every possibility that a cheapo job will work out OK but there is just as much a possibility that it won't, I've seen questions and references to vans running poorly after belt changes, which I would bet are caused by making short cuts to the procedures that Fiat recommend.
If you want to save money get the job done by a company / someone that you can trust from previous knowledge or recommendation, that will be able to charge a more reasonable hourly rate than the £100 an hour of the main agent.

The cam belt does drive the water pump as well as the high pressure fuel pump, which has to be removed to change the water pump.

Might be better if some that reply had actual knowledge of what is entailed, rather than relying on hearsay and keyboard mechanics.
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As a qualified deep sea marine engineer, heavy plant mechanic and a person who has done 99% of the maintenance on all my trucks, buses, campervan and cars over the past 55yrs until I became too old to do 50% of the jobs needed, can I ask you,

while I agree with most of what you have written, how, when lately it has taken weeks, if not months for parts to come from Italy, can the dealerships, which do not carry many spares, get their parts?
Especially, when I have used a Professional Workshop, I seen deliveries of parts by Eurocarparts and others. Are these ALL genuine parts
and if they can get them from these sources, why can't the independent workshop?

Plus, why does Fiat, not put the renewal of clutch fluid on any of their schedules? Its changing could forewarn of clutch problems before the clutch fails completely?
 
eurajohn said:
Couple of points on the various comments.
It does seem expensive, however these are main agents working to the Fiat approved schedule and using Fiat genuine parts at their listed price, they will (or at least should) carry out the work to the approved schedule i.e. do the job as per the Fiat manual, that will ensure the job is done thoroughly and correctly using the correct tools.
Perhaps a good idea if those that decry the charges familiarised themselves with exactly that that entails, they may be surprised.
The job can be carried out more quickly / cheaply by omitting some of the recommended steps and using pattern parts (yes I'm aware of the "who makes Fiat parts" argument) I'd guess most of the very low costs some continue to report will be doing exactly that.
There is every possibility that a cheapo job will work out OK but there is just as much a possibility that it won't, I've seen questions and references to vans running poorly after belt changes, which I would bet are caused by making short cuts to the procedures that Fiat recommend.
If you want to save money get the job done by a company / someone that you can trust from previous knowledge or recommendation, that will be able to charge a more reasonable hourly rate than the £100 an hour of the main agent.

The cam belt does drive the water pump as well as the high pressure fuel pump, which has to be removed to change the water pump.

Might be better if some that reply had actual knowledge of what is entailed, rather than relying on hearsay and keyboard mechanics.
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It’s good you acknowledge that Fiat use Dayco belts or equivalent.

Without the “specialist” tools you probably struggle to do the job anyway.

Are you by any chance the owner of a main dealer franchise for Fiat, as that was one heavy supporting reply 😉😊
 
Mines going in on 02.02 for a cam belt kit they quoted me £432 Inc vat and that's for a dayco kit ,, I have had a Cambelt, wheel, bearings,exhaust and service done there before , they are a commercial garage with contracts for local councils I will post when it's done
 
To reply to the above two posts L'Hobo and Silver-Fox
Firstly, I like you are time served and now too old to do anything quickly, as to your specific questions, sorry but I do not have the answer to them.
Definitely not the owner of a franchise or anything like, long retired, however I did own and run a small independent workshop in the 70- 80's.
I wasn't trying to support the excessive cost of using a main agent simply explaining how they come to such a high price.
In a previous post on this subject someone had reported they had the job done by a backstreet merchant for about a third of the price quoted here, in it they related how the operative had gone about the task from below the vehicle, when challenged on that fact, they were adamant that no time was spent at the top of the engine, if you know the task you will know that is not possible.

As a p.s. one of my daughters runs a Volvo XC60 the Volvo dealership quoted £1475 to change the belt and water pump, on her next visit over to me I did the job (admittedly far slower then the dealer would have done) using quality pattern parts and fluids for €238, I did suffer for a few days after though from the rolling around trying to get back up, definitely too old now for that game.

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pagey said:
Mines going in on 02.02 for a cam belt kit they quoted me £432 Inc vat and that's for a dayco kit ,, I have had a Cambelt, wheel, bearings,exhaust and service done there before , they are a commercial garage with contracts for local councils I will post when it's done
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The only extra I fit is a new tensioner, stud, nylock nut & washer.
 
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Not timing belt but I was quoted 1780€ by a Fiat main dealer in Germany to replace the clutch on my 2.3 /130Hp

I eventually paid £470 at my local garage
 
In November, I had the timing belt, tensioners and auxilary belt changed on my 2016 Fiat X290 2.3L 130hp at my local Fiat Professional dealer. They said because of the very low mileage (15,872) changing the water pump was unnecessary.

Labour: £280
Parts: £233
Sub-total: £513
VAT: £103

GRAND TOTAL: £616
 
mikebeaches said:
In November, I had the timing belt, tensioners and auxilary belt changed on my 2016 Fiat X290 2.3L 130hp at my local Fiat Professional dealer. They said because of the very low mileage (15,872) changing the water pump was unnecessary.

Labour: £280
Parts: £233
Sub-total: £513
VAT: £103

GRAND TOTAL: £616
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Thats seems low just the parts if they used genuine Fiat are £480.
 
mikebeaches said:
In November, I had the timing belt, tensioners and auxilary belt changed on my 2016 Fiat X290 2.3L 130hp at my local Fiat Professional dealer. They said because of the very low mileage (15,872) changing the water pump was unnecessary.

Labour: £280
Parts: £233
Sub-total: £513
VAT: £103

GRAND TOTAL: £616
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Thats seems low just the parts if they used genuine Fiat are £480.

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