Bath Clean Air zone (2 Viewers)

[Itsmcb]

THe only warning signs appear to be these.

The exit from the A46 roundabout to London Road (can you spot it on the Bath/Warminster sign?)

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This one is too late and there is nowhere to turn to avoid the zone.

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I would just do a three point turn in the busy road, if people start protesting I would just point at the sign and practice my best Gaulic shoulder shrug

 

[rod_vw]

I've just looked for that sign in the Highway Code list of approved signs and can't find it, can you?

If it's not an approved sign can it be enforced?

Food for thought, or taking with you to court!

 

[Sapper520]

The world really has gone mad.

Anyone wanting to drive anywhere near Bath must have gone mad………we only ever go there on the train.

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[pagey]

Next month is the 125th anniversary for the London to Brighton run and the run starts from the middle of the new ULEZ zone, I wonder if any of them will be fined ?
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No they are historic so exempt as is every thing over 40 years old

 

[Clipgate]

Do not be fooled big money not your health is on the agenda.

 

[Clipgate]

Bath will and is not the only place, like all good Demagogues they will replicate and justify in our name the benefits, until we revolt and say enough is enough.
We all know the uncomfortable truth, there are too many of us.

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[Riverbankannie]

Next month is the 125th anniversary for the London to Brighton run and the run starts from the middle of the new ULEZ zone, I wonder if any of them will be fined ?

No, as historic vehicles are exempt as are both our MGs

 

[Riverbankannie]

Crossing Bath, if from north go onto Bristol ring road, t

Bristol ring road one to be avoided if you don’t like long queues. It has its own emissions problems which are higher than permitted at junctions. People live beside the road (me) so moving Bath’s problems to Bristol not a good idea.

 

[pagey]

It's just a tax you can still come to our city's and pollute our residents but we will charge you so we can spend the money on other good causes ..why don't they just say it

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[SpeedyDux]

Bristol ring road one to be avoided if you don’t like long queues. It has its own emissions problems which are higher than permitted at junctions. People live beside the road (me) so moving Bath’s problems to Bristol not a good idea.

Yesterday the roadworks on the A4174 ring road had been removed and the new Throughabout is open at last. There is a short-ish queue at the new traffic lights, but otherwise it was all running smoothly again. Until they start on the next "improvement".

 

[rod_vw]

Bristol ring road one to be avoided if you don’t like long queues. It has its own emissions problems which are higher than permitted at junctions. People live beside the road (me) so moving Bath’s problems to Bristol not a good idea.

Yesterday the roadworks on the A4174 ring road had been removed and the new Throughabout is open at last. There is a short-ish queue at the new traffic lights, but otherwise it was all running smoothly again. Until they start on the next "improvement".

There seems to be little thought in the design of our road systems. Traffic should be kept moving at the most economical speed with suitable fly-overs and slip roads then we, the motorist, would be able to keep our vehicle emissions to a minimum. Installing traffic lights and roundabouts just increases the problem.

 

[Sapper520]

Just moving the polluting to the roads that avoid the charges…….or is that just over simplifying it?

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[Pausim]

Just moving the polluting to the roads that avoid the charges…….or is that just over simplifying it?

I think it is. Vehicles produce 2x the NOx when queuing and idling and in a densely packed urban area that means lots more people are breathing lots more NOx. Traffic moved out to freer moving roads where there are lower population densities will improve the situation. Cities like Bath have a particular problem being surrounded by steep sided hills which tend to trap the pollution for longer. If I lived in Bath I would be very pleased to have even small improvements to the air quality.

Whether the methods of improving the air quality are fair or properly signed is another argument but I don’t doubt the need for them.

 

[Riverbankannie]

Yesterday the roadworks on the A4174 ring road had been removed and the new Throughabout is open at last. There is a short-ish queue at the new traffic lights, but otherwise it was all running smoothly again. Until they start on the next "improvement".

But the whole thing is still traffic light controlled like the original roundabout, even those going on the “throughabout”bit have to stop. Just moves the traffic a bit faster onto the next junction.

 

[SpeedyDux]

But the whole thing is still traffic light controlled like the original roundabout, even those going on the “throughabout”bit have to stop. Just moves the traffic a bit faster onto the next junction.

A flyover as rod_vw suggested would have been much better for through traffic.

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[Riverbankannie]

Google maps has got the CAZ as roads with tolls so if you put in a route say, KUSKUS from Shrewsbury to Longleat you can find ways to avoid. I don’t know how long it will take sat navs like Garmin to update their data, then you would have to update your maps.
Anyway, in the meantime I advise everyone to use google maps and set to No Toll roads when in UK.

…..and pity poor lovely Bradford-on-Avon. This bridge is the main road through.

 

[Pausim]

Google maps has got the CAZ as roads with tolls so if you put in a route say, KUSKUS from Shrewsbury to Longleat you can find ways to avoid. I don’t know how long it will take sat navs like Garmin to update their data, then you would have to update your maps.
Anyway, in the meantime I advise everyone to use google maps and set to No Toll roads when in UK.
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…..and pity poor lovely Bradford-on-Avon. This bridge is the main road through.
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I would probably use the Malmesbury A350 route anyway. At motorhome speeds the time difference will probably be less and the roads are easier to drive. However that Google shows toll and non toll routes is very helpful information.

 

[Sapper520]

Google maps has got the CAZ as roads with tolls so if you put in a route say, KUSKUS from Shrewsbury to Longleat you can find ways to avoid. I don’t know how long it will take sat navs like Garmin to update their data, then you would have to update your maps.
Anyway, in the meantime I advise everyone to use google maps and set to No Toll roads when in UK.
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…..and pity poor lovely Bradford-on-Avon. This bridge is the main road through.
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No……I’d go M32 into Bristol and pick up the A4……upsetting all Bristolian’s with Bath’s problems.

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[lunarman]

Google maps has got the CAZ as roads with tolls so if you put in a route say, KUSKUS from Shrewsbury to Longleat you can find ways to avoid. I don’t know how long it will take sat navs like Garmin to update their data, then you would have to update your maps.
Anyway, in the meantime I advise everyone to use google maps and set to No Toll roads when in UK.
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Annie isn't the route that shows Tolls the one over the Toll bridge at Bathampton that avoids the city centre and does not go near the CAZ. the toll is 25p from memory.

 

[Itsmcb]

Annie isn't the route that shows Tolls the one over the Toll bridge at Bathampton that avoids the city centre and does not go near the CAZ. the toll is 25p from memory.

You may well be correct, I have just looked routes around and even into bath and no mention of tolls. Still shows the same routes with the avoid tolls option turned on Shame as this would have been an extremely useful addition.

 

[SandraL]

Bathampton toll bridge does avoid Bath caz.
It has a 4ton limit, but anything wider than a panel van may/will struggle.
Traffic on the bridge is one way, so queues form either side and its only just wide enough to pass that queue.
Not sure on toll fee, but think may be higher than 25p.

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[KUSKUS]

I have spoken to the Bath council clean air zone group and a very pleasant gentleman suggesting phoning them up in two weeks to see if I was actually captured on the cameras and suggested that as I wasn't local and unaware of the scheme I would have good grounds for appeal .
He did mention that there is a discount scheme for motorhomes over 3500 kg and horseboxes but you must apply before entering the zone.
Looked at the application it requires copy of V5 and photographs of your motorhome.
I will keep you all in touch with the outcome.
Thanks for your support.

 

[Bucket]

Annie isn't the route that shows Tolls the one over the Toll bridge at Bathampton that avoids the city centre and does not go near the CAZ. the toll is 25p from memory.

25p! Ha ha, you're having a laugh, those cowboys are milking the toll like there's no tomorrow, I avoid it like the plague but last time I used it it was 75p for a car. All cash. Bet the taxman doesn't see much of it.....
Even more annoying is they do nothing to manage the flow so sometimes you get stuck while a long queue comes towards you.

 

[Bucket]

Google maps has got the CAZ as roads with tolls so if you put in a route say, KUSKUS from Shrewsbury to Longleat you can find ways to avoid. I don’t know how long it will take sat navs like Garmin to update their data, then you would have to update your maps.
Anyway, in the meantime I advise everyone to use google maps and set to No Toll roads when in UK.
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…..and pity poor lovely Bradford-on-Avon. This bridge is the main road through.
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I'd still recommend staying on the Bristol ring towards Keynsham, then Saltford and the A4 until the Globe roundabout. Turn right towards Odd Down, and then after a few miles right again at the Esso garage to Hinton Charterhouse, Rode etc. on the A36. I always use that road out of Bath when heading South.
And yes it takes a bit of pressure off poor old Bradford on Avon

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[Bucket]

I have spoken to the Bath council clean air zone group and a very pleasant gentleman suggesting phoning them up in two weeks to see if I was actually captured on the cameras and suggested that as I wasn't local and unaware of the scheme I would have good grounds for appeal .
He did mention that there is a discount scheme for motorhomes over 3500 kg and horseboxes but you must apply before entering the zone.
Looked at the application it requires copy of V5 and photographs of your motorhome.
I will keep you all in touch with the outcome.
Thanks for your support.

Best of luck. I have heard some people have been treated kindly but many more have not.

 

[Riverbankannie]

Bucket
Yes of course, that google map was only an example of the route from Shrewsbury to Longleat. The route you have given is our route that way or Keynsham, then A39 on Wellsway.
I just wanted to show how you might use google maps to avoid the Bath CAZ, or any other.

 

[EMS]

Portsmouth be aware.
Continuing the theme this week Portsmouth introduced a similar scheme, so to access the ferries to France or The Isle of Wight you have to PAY!!!!
Cars do not have to pay in spite of their emissions but vans lorries and busses do, I think it was £10 for a van.
The local elected councillor who was against the scheme said that they will monitor the air pollution and if the pollution drops so the scheme will stop, it was introduced as the council received monies from the government!

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[Sapper520]

Portsmouth be aware.
Continuing the theme this week Portsmouth introduced a similar scheme, so to access the ferries to France or The Isle of Wight you have to PAY!!!!
Cars do not have to pay in spite of their emissions but vans lorries and busses do, I think it was £10 for a van.
The local elected councillor who was against the scheme said that they will monitor the air pollution and if the pollution drops so the scheme will stop, it was introduced as the council received monies from the government!

You sure about that?

The map shows access to the Ferry Port is just outside the zone……unless you choose the wrong route.

 

[Riverbankannie]

Portsmouth be aware.
Continuing the theme this week Portsmouth introduced a similar scheme, so to access the ferries to France or The Isle of Wight you have to PAY!!!!
Cars do not have to pay in spite of their emissions but vans lorries and busses do, I think it was £10 for a van.
The local elected councillor who was against the scheme said that they will monitor the air pollution and if the pollution drops so the scheme will stop, it was introduced as the council received monies from the government!

The scheme is not yet introduced but starts on November 29th. However Portsmouth international ferry terminal will be outside and ok to reach travelling down from M27 or A3
Google maps cannot yet direct me around it.

 

[Riverbankannie]

Annie isn't the route that shows Tolls the one over the Toll bridge at Bathampton that avoids the city centre and does not go near the CAZ. the toll is 25p from memory.

Bother - you are right. I thought I had hit on a way to advise people
Just putting in a route to Bath Pump Rooms gives alternatives but doesn’t mention tolls. What a shame.

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