Article about gas attacks

[GeorgeTelford]

Gas attack debunk from the Royal college of anaesthetists


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[RockieRV]

Good post George, thank you.

Echoes our thoughts entirely - nice to see a report on the subject., rather than heresay.

 

[Road Runner]

Strangely enough I was robbed in Spain.

Hmmmm maybe i am a liar

 

[GeorgeTelford]

Hi John

That article does not say that people are not robbed, only that the R College do not believe that any gas exists capable of commiting robberies with....

 

[Road Runner]

Really well me and the other ten or so camping vehicle that were robbed must have all be dead tiredoh:

You must be right though

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[Jim]

Nice one GT, I have read articles by individual anaesthetists that dismissed the gas attacks, but a statement by the Royal college of anaesthetists has put that old perrenial to bed for good (with a bit of luck)

 

[Geo]

Gas attack debunk from the Royal college of anaesthetists


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Whilst I agree with the sentiments of this report I am suspicious of its origins,I have read it or others like it, almost word for word, and the date at the bottom keeps changing???
Geo

 

[GeorgeTelford]

Hi Geo

But this is on the Royal College website, the other I believe was a letter or eamil being quoted.

George

 

[Road Runner]

Nice one GT, I have read articles by individual anaesthetists that dismissed the gas attacks, but a statement by the Royal college of anaesthetists has put that old perrenial to bed for good (with a bit of luck)

So we were very tired then?

Caravan club paid out as robbery with violence because our loss was above the limit they allowed for straight loss.

I find it very arrogant of others to suggest it's a myth when it's actually happened to people who have no reason to lie.

There are mothers who have spent time in prison dues to experts incorrect opinions/advice.

 

[Brisey]

This article is a genuine posting on the Royal college website
Log in and search for motor-homes and the article can be found.

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[Jim]

So we were very tired then?

Caravan club paid out as robbery with violence because our loss was above the limit they allowed for straight loss.

I find it very arrogant of others to suggest it's a myth when it's actually happened to people who have no reason to lie.

There are mothers who have spent time in prison dues to experts incorrect opinions/advice.

You were robbed John, no one is suggesting you are lying. The perps may well have used gas. Its just that the RC of anaesthetists think this highly unlikely.

 

[Road Runner]

You were robbed John, no one is suggesting you are lying. The perps may well have used gas. Its just that the RC of anaesthetists think this highly unlikely.

Wouldn't it be nice if one of these experts were a motorhomer/lorry drivers and got caught out.

T B lair quoted us cast iron expert opinions about Iraq before we invaded it

 

[justme AKA Grath]

Agree

So we were very tired then?

Caravan club paid out as robbery with violence because our loss was above the limit they allowed for straight loss.

I find it very arrogant of others to suggest it's a myth when it's actually happened to people who have no reason to lie.

There are mothers who have spent time in prison dues to experts incorrect opinions/advice.

John, I agree with you on this issue. People have been wrongly jailed on the evidence by some of these so called experts.
I would rather trust the opinion from people on the ground.

 

[Road Runner]

I find it personally hurtful when this topic is raised time and time again and can only reiterate it happened to us and please be careful where you stop.

Have any of you ever been robbed at home where the perpetrator actually entered the bedroom while you were asleep? it's horrible!!

An alarm is no use as your out by then (plus I don't sell them)

 

[Adria 5]

hi agree with RR why is this topic raised again by george surly this has been well covered on here

RAY

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[scotjimland]

I thought we vetoed 'expert' opinion on a previous post..

Anyway, there are hundreds if not thousands of gassing reports, were they all drunk, liars or both .. and yes I've read the experts opinions why it's impossible without killing someone in the process or have a van explode and the theory that they are only insurance scams or stories put about by gas detector manufacturers.

Having met John and heard his story plus dozens of others testimony I am convinced that these attacks do happen...
I don't know what gas is used or how it's administered, I'll leave that to the 'experts'

 

[American Dream]

Hi John

That article does not say that people are not robbed, only that the R College do not believe that any gas exists capable of commiting robberies with....

Are you sure?Nitrous oxide for one.Easily obtainable via Hotrodders etc.I would suggest the members of the Royal College Refer to actual evidence rather than their textbooks.IMHO.

 

[justme AKA Grath]

Cost

As you all know, I believe that these gas attacks happen, but guessing what sort of people are doing these attacks I would expect it to not to be an astronomically expensive gas as it would have to be cost effective to make it worth while.

 

[American Dream]

As you all know, I believe that these gas attacks happen, but guessing what sort of people are doing these attacks I would expect it to not to be an astronomically expensive gas as it would have to be cost effective to make it worth while.

Nitrous is not that expensive?

It is the obvious choice.Sad but in my opinion true.I think we as Motorhomers/RVers should be standing shoulder to shoulder asking why this serious issue is being refuted by so-called experts, not arguing amongst ourselves whether this is actually happening.I personally believe the reports and evidence given by victims.

 

[justme AKA Grath]

Another slant

Now, I am going to put another slant to things.
Although I have heard of many gas attacks, and robberies, I have never heard of the vehicle been stolen by this method!

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[Jim]

This one surely does run and run The Royal College of Anaesthetists would hate it if some toe rag could do what they do, without the 5 year training course and just a tin of Damp Start

That said, I am with the experts on this one. My gut feeling is that it doesn't happen, but my mind is not closed to evidence that might be produced to show that it does.

 

[scotjimland]

This one surely does run and run.

Jim
If it weren't for A frames, HGV Licenses, Gas attacks and Genny noise it would be a very quiet forum ... long live the debates

I feel as though I'm addressing myself here

Jim

 

[American Dream]

This one surely does run and run The Royal College of Anaesthetists would hate it if some toe rag could do what they do, without the 5 year training course and just a tin of Damp Start

That said, I am with the experts on this one. My gut feeling is that it doesn't happen, but my mind is not closed to evidence that might be produced to show that it does.

How do you prove it?

Are the "victims" subjected to a blood test/Breath test?
Is there any trace of the "gas" after the attack?
Are you questioning the evidence given by people who have succumbed to these "attacks".

I am of an open mind but, yes a tin of ether based liquid would have the desired effect.

 

[Jim]

Jim
If it weren't for A frames, HGV Licenses, Gas attacks and Genny noise it would be a very quiet forum ... long live the debates

I feel as though I'm addressing myself here

Jim

##Did we do the Genny noise one? Damn I missed it, I never use mine between the hours of 0200 and 0600

 

[Road Runner]

Out of interest do exhaust fumes cause drowsiness. Is it a gas?

Not that I was driving at the time

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[American Dream]

Out of interest do exhaust fumes cause drowsiness. Is it a gas?

Carbon Monoxide.Yep.

Traces in bloodstream though.

Do you sleep with the engine running John?oh:

 

[justme AKA Grath]

Very easy

Not having a pop at anyone, it is very easy to say that these attacks don't happen, when you are sat nice and safe behind a PC or working in a nice safe laboratory.
It is a little different when you are tramping throughout Europe and beyond with a truck and parking up to overnight on your own.
You just have to take your own precautions and allow for everything that may happen, take advice from colleagues and advice others.
You just do what has to be done.
I tramped for 12 years, no it never happened to me, but I do believe.
And if it does not happen, what have I lost?
nothing!!!!!!!!

 

[Road Runner]

Yep.

Traces in bloodstream though

I was not asked to take a blood test and the Spanish cops were very much of the opinion it was gas.

It was them that woke us to query had we been robbed after the Spanish lorry driver behind us raised the alarm with them.

 

[scotjimland]

I tramped for 12 years, no it never happened to me, but I do believe.
And if it does not happen, what have I lost?
nothing!!

It's better to believe and be wrong than to disbelieve and be wrong !

 

[Jim]

How do you prove it?

Are the "victims" subjected to a blood test/Breath test?
Is there any trace of the "gas" after the attack?
Are you questioning the evidence given by people who have succumbed to these "attacks".

I am of an open mind but, yes a tin of ether based liquid would have the desired effect.

I would have thought that to chalk it up as a gas attack, tests would have to be taken, but is there a test? I don't know

What evidence can someone who has been gassed give? I'm not sure.

I have no idea what a tin of ether would do, I wouldn't let you into my motorhome with one though

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