Are you socialising in your Motorhome contrary to Covid rules ?

[Larrynwin]

One of the government sage bods on BBC news says that people that have had both jabs meeting others that have had both jabs are at an infinitesimally small risk. So for me, why not? I’m sure there will be others on here that know more than the SAGE bod though.
At some point we do need to start living again, otherwise what’s the point?

I am one that prefers to abide by the rules and will do so and although Prof VanTam stated just how safe it is now I will wait.
It’s perfectly safe to drive at 35 mph on the road outside but it’s a 30 mph limit so that’s what I will stick to.

 

[Langtoftlad]

Slight thread drift - if permitted.
This idea of a pill to protect as promoted recently by Boris...

Is it feasible or fantasy?

 

[Jim]

I'm sure i read Pills and Nasal Spays are already in very early trials

 

[glenn2926]

I am one that prefers to abide by the rules and will do so and although Prof VanTam stated just how safe it is now I will wait.
It’s perfectly safe to drive at 35 mph on the road outside but it’s a 30 mph limit so that’s what I will stick to.

Like I said earlier. Some won’t now like proff Van Tam’s views.

 

[Larrynwin]

Slight thread drift - if permitted.
This idea of a pill to protect as promoted recently by Boris...

Is it feasible or fantasy?

Not sure on the pill but with the 60million Pfizer jabs plus others on order for the autumn booster we should be ok.

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[Langtoftlad]

I'm sure i read Pills and Nasal Spays are already in very early trials

Nasal spray vaccine isn't unbelievable as it can be offered as a flu vaccine shot.

 

[Minxy]

Regardless of whether the scientists etc (including Prof JVT) say about the risks being very small for certain things, the govt has made it quite clear from the last release that it is going to be done to a specific timetable which they will not budge from by bringing things forward, the ONLY change will be to extend the periods which they do not want to do and I don't think anyone else does! Don't' break the rules and hopefully we'll be given more freedom as time goes on, but if some people start breaking the rules there is a real likelihood that their actions could cause all of us issues.

 

[Jim]

Normality is resuming very soon I think. Tomorrows Telegraph headline

Exclusive: Social distancing not needed at big events, Boris Johnson to be told​

Report to say crowds can return from June 21 after trials with fans found no increase in Covid cases/

Social distancing should be abolished in June to allow people "to take back control of their own lives", a letter signed by 22 leading scientists and academics says.

The open letter states that "a good society cannot be created by obsessive focus on a single cause of ill-health" and calls for all restrictions to be lifted on June 21 – the final date in Boris Johnson's roadmap out of lockdown.

Mass community testing is also unnecessary, say the signatories, who favour a more targeted approach along with encouraging hand-washing and surface cleaning.

They are also urging the Government to scrap vaccine passports as Covid "no longer requires exceptional measures of control in everyday life".

Ending social distancing restrictions would allow family members from different households to meet up inside and give many grandparents the opportunity to hug their grandchildren for the first time in months.

 

[glenn2926]

Normality is resuming very soon I think. Tomorrows Telegraph headline

Exclusive: Social distancing not needed at big events, Boris Johnson to be told​

Report to say crowds can return from June 21 after trials with fans found no increase in Covid cases/

Social distancing should be abolished in June to allow people "to take back control of their own lives", a letter signed by 22 leading scientists and academics says.

The open letter states that "a good society cannot be created by obsessive focus on a single cause of ill-health" and calls for all restrictions to be lifted on June 21 – the final date in Boris Johnson's roadmap out of lockdown.

Mass community testing is also unnecessary, say the signatories, who favour a more targeted approach along with encouraging hand-washing and surface cleaning.

They are also urging the Government to scrap vaccine passports as Covid "no longer requires exceptional measures of control in everyday life".

Ending social distancing restrictions would allow family members from different households to meet up inside and give many grandparents the opportunity to hug their grandchildren for the first time in months.

Ha, ha, you are really going to upset quite a few people on here. You are for me at least using data not dates, just as we were told would happen.

 

[Langtoftlad]

Hopefully those 22 leading scientists & academics are from the appropriate disciplines.

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[Snoopy]

Yes hubby and i of the same thoughts

 

[philann]

but of course currently no permitted.

Unless you are attending a business conference in Liverpool, where delegates do a lateral flow test before going in and then can mingle with no masks or social distancing, shaking hands and hugging allowed!

 

[Langtoftlad]

Unless you are attending a business conference in Liverpool, where delegates do a lateral flow test before going in and then can mingle with no masks or social distancing, shaking hands and hugging allowed!

Is that not one of these closely monitored trials?

We peasants of the realm are not to be trusted to do the same in a family social scenario.

17 days & counting

 

[BillyKontiki]

It’s quite clear You know the rules, and your trying to justify what you’re about to do and that is breaking them.
That’s your decision and if you can live with that it’s your call.
If you had suffered bad with c19 you definitely would not do this.

 

[Sandancers]

Of course but at the moment it’s outside the rules .

So is speeding, go on tell me you have never done it.

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[Larrynwin]

So is speeding, go on tell me you have never done it.

I don’t suppose anyone could hand on heart say they had never broken a speed limit but it’s something I will not intentionally do and I’m reminded by a beep if I exceed by 1mph. I have never had a speeding ticket and don’t intend to start now.
When I was younger , a different story.

 

[Larrynwin]

It’s quite clear You know the rules, and your trying to justify what you’re about to do and that is breaking them.
That’s your decision and if you can live with that it’s your call.
If you had suffered bad with c19 you definitely would not do this.

Not sure who your post is intended for.

 

[Spriddler]

I have never had a speeding ticket and don’t intend to start now.
When I was younger , a different story.

Me too, for doing 36mph in a 30 but only ever one and that was 6 days after passing my test.

 

[Gromett]

Yes if people use them properly, but far too many don't.
How long do people use them for before they either change or properly clean them.
In a medical situation they are changed on a regular basis.

I am trying to be careful here to not appear to be trying to teach my grandmother to suck eggs because without doubt you know far more about this subject than I do.

I think they probably aren't as effective as they could be if the entire population had an average or higher IQ and had been fully trained. But you have to remember half the population has below average IQ and pretty much next to none of the overall population has had training.

That said, is it a waste of time and are they totally ineffective if used poorly? I don't believe so.
Providing they cover the nose and mouth they do reduce the quantity of aerosols released into the air in the supermarket which is from my understanding the most likely transmission vector in that environment with surface contact being the lesser route.

There are two reasons to wear a mask. The first is to protect the wearer and the second is to protect others.
I think without training the former is very limited. The wearer it likely to make stupid mistakes that reduce the effectiveness. They are also unlikely to take other precautions.

I however do believe that even without training providing the mouth and nose are covered the masks provide a useful if not 100% reduction in the aerosols in the air.

I did read of an experiment done but I can't find it off the top of my head. But they tested what percentage of reduction in aerosolised particles were prevented by a single layer mask and a double layer mask. They even tested some home made options.
The reductions were pretty high, from memory even the worst one stopped 80%+ of particles. In an operating theatre or other medical environment this would be of course unacceptable. But for the general population I think it is a worthwhile precaution.
Will it prevent the spread in supermarkets? Probably not completely, but does it reduce them? I think it must have a pretty big effect in context?

 

[Mrsambulancekidd]

I am trying to be careful here to not appear to be trying to teach my grandmother to suck eggs because without doubt you know far more about this subject than I do.

I think they probably aren't as effective as they could be if the entire population had an average or higher IQ and had been fully trained. But you have to remember half the population has below average IQ and pretty much next to none of the overall population has had training.

That said, is it a waste of time and are they totally ineffective if used poorly? I don't believe so.
Providing they cover the nose and mouth they do reduce the quantity of aerosols released into the air in the supermarket which is from my understanding the most likely transmission vector in that environment with surface contact being the lesser route.

There are two reasons to wear a mask. The first is to protect the wearer and the second is to protect others.
I think without training the former is very limited. The wearer it likely to make stupid mistakes that reduce the effectiveness. They are also unlikely to take other precautions.

I however do believe that even without training providing the mouth and nose are covered the masks provide a useful if not 100% reduction in the aerosols in the air.

I did read of an experiment done but I can't find it off the top of my head. But they tested what percentage of reduction in aerosolised particles were prevented by a single layer mask and a double layer mask. They even tested some home made options.
The reductions were pretty high, from memory even the worst one stopped 80%+ of particles. In an operating theatre or other medical environment this would be of course unacceptable. But for the general population I think it is a worthwhile precaution.
Will it prevent the spread in supermarkets? Probably not completely, but does it reduce them? I think it must have a pretty big effect in context?

As with anything in life there will be some who make a better job of it than others, it's just the way things are.
The best we can do is do the best for ourselves in the hope that it also protects others.

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[Mr mrs tupcox]

Get a coat on and sit out side ..

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Exactly what we do too ... sometimes I forget to take it off until we get home!

It is when you make a cup of tea and only realise that you still have your mask on when you drink it Is when it gets really embarrassing........... so a friend tells me

 

[pandas]

Normality is resuming very soon I think. Tomorrows Telegraph headline

Exclusive: Social distancing not needed at big events, Boris Johnson to be told​

Report to say crowds can return from June 21 after trials with fans found no increase in Covid cases/

Social distancing should be abolished in June to allow people "to take back control of their own lives", a letter signed by 22 leading scientists and academics says.

The open letter states that "a good society cannot be created by obsessive focus on a single cause of ill-health" and calls for all restrictions to be lifted on June 21 – the final date in Boris Johnson's roadmap out of lockdown.

Mass community testing is also unnecessary, say the signatories, who favour a more targeted approach along with encouraging hand-washing and surface cleaning.

They are also urging the Government to scrap vaccine passports as Covid "no longer requires exceptional measures of control in everyday life".

Ending social distancing restrictions would allow family members from different households to meet up inside and give many grandparents the opportunity to hug their grandchildren for the first time in months.

good; could you also clarify the news for Sunday as well please whilst you are at it?

 

[Jim]

good; could you also clarify the news for Sunday as well please whilst you are at it?

I didn’t clarify anything I just posted todays news headline and passed a comment on it.

 

[pandas]

I didn’t clarify anything I just posted todays news headline and passed a comment on it.

Hmm sorry thought you said tomorrow’s Telegraph news...as is your reputation by some as a soothsayer (spell?) clearly a bad joke.

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[Larrynwin]

Me too, for doing 36mph in a 30 but only ever one and that was 6 days after passing my test.
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That’s quite an interesting document. I fortunately never received a ticket , it was easy before speed traps, watch your mirrors for whose behind.

 

[Larrynwin]

Get a coat on and sit out side ..

That’s our intention

 

[Minxy]

It is when you make a cup of tea and only realise that you still have your mask on when you drink it Is when it gets really embarrassing........... so a friend tells me

Or when trying to go though some paperwork and naturally put your finger to your mouth to dampen it to separate pages ... also passing on info from a friend ....

 

[TDub49]

Normality is resuming very soon I think. Tomorrows Telegraph headline

Exclusive: Social distancing not needed at big events, Boris Johnson to be told​

Report to say crowds can return from June 21 after trials with fans found no increase in Covid cases/

Social distancing should be abolished in June to allow people "to take back control of their own lives", a letter signed by 22 leading scientists and academics says.

The open letter states that "a good society cannot be created by obsessive focus on a single cause of ill-health" and calls for all restrictions to be lifted on June 21 – the final date in Boris Johnson's roadmap out of lockdown.

Mass community testing is also unnecessary, say the signatories, who favour a more targeted approach along with encouraging hand-washing and surface cleaning.

They are also urging the Government to scrap vaccine passports as Covid "no longer requires exceptional measures of control in everyday life".

Ending social distancing restrictions would allow family members from different households to meet up inside and give many grandparents the opportunity to hug their grandchildren for the first time in months.

I guess we'll see how right they are after 21st June.

 

[Trevor Wbm]

Well now the NHS send out free tests... you can be pretty sure that you're both immune & not a carrier.

But hey, let's not common sense get in the way of petty & illogical rules.

Paranoia rule ko.

What's the difference between 16th & 17th May ?

Much like the difference between 70 mph and 80 mph on the motorway. One's legal, the other isn't. Deal with it.

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