Anyone with an automatic Bailey Adamo 69-4 or Benimar Tessoro 483 willing to share experiences?

[Monsoon]

So far have two MHs on my current short list for an automatic: Bailey Adamo 69-4 and Benimar Tessoro 493. We only need two births but quite like having the extra seatbelts. Are there any owners of either of these buses who would care to share experiences please? Also love look of Pegasso 590 mini A class but seems too expensive to consider.

 

[unclestinky]

So far have two MHs on my current short list for an automatic: Bailey Adamo 69-4 and Benimar Tessoro 493. We only need two births but quite like having the extra seatbelts. Are there any owners of either of these buses who would care to share experiences please? Also love look of Pegasso 590 mini A class but seems too expensive to consider.

Before we purchased our van, also for two, we looked at the Adamo but the available payload was awful.

 

[Jonno1103]

Don't discount the AT F Line either. F60 has the same internal layout as the RT Pegaso 590 & the T Line 590 & the F62 has the same layout as the Tessoro 481.

You can also spec them with or without a dropdown bed & travel seats as they're cost options. on the 6m F60 & F62 payload is around 725Kg before you consider dealer fit accessories.

These models all share parts from the Trigano stable including Mobilvetta & Chausson and are 99% identical in build construction... the 1% is Benimar who still use wood in their coachbuilds. The other advantage is that they can be up plated to 4100Kg as a paper exercise... this drops the towing capacity from 1000kg to 500kg.

On the 6m I'd consider the towbar at build stage - £684 (30kg) as to increase storage it gives you the option to add a tow bar fitted box which won't effect the motorhome's payload.

The Ford has an excellent 6 speed auto box which is very responsive and all of the 2.0L Ecoblue engines are powerful and will effortlessly pull you up any hill even with the motorhome fully loaded. The 130 has 385 Nm, the 160 has 395Nm & the 170 has 405Nm. These values increase slightly with the auto box.

 

[Stoosal]

We have the 483. Couple of niggles at start which were easy fixes but Marquis were pretty awful to deal with.
Found build quality good and nothing is marked or worn after four years. Nothing has broken!
Ford is great to drive and pulls fully loaded on the steepest hills but you do need to use (manual) gearbox.
Large garage which we use to house bikes so they are locked away safely and keep clean and dry without covers etc etc. Huge wardrobe in bathroom allows you to use toilet and get showered/washed/changed without having to leave that area or closing up any other part of the vehicle.
Truma heating system works well and shower etc good.
Big table allows plenty of room for meal prep or reading/games etc on wet days.
Would I buy again….yes.

 

[Monsoon]

We have the 483. Couple of niggles at start which were easy fixes but Marquis were pretty awful to deal with.
Found build quality good and nothing is marked or worn after four years. Nothing has broken!
Ford is great to drive and pulls fully loaded on the steepest hills but you do need to use (manual) gearbox.
Large garage which we use to house bikes so they are locked away safely and keep clean and dry without covers etc etc. Huge wardrobe in bathroom allows you to use toilet and get showered/washed/changed without having to leave that area or closing up any other part of the vehicle.
Truma heating system works well and shower etc good.
Big table allows plenty of room for meal prep or reading/games etc on wet days.
Would I buy again….yes.

Thank you so much for your input. Very helpful indeed.

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[Ianbenny]

Bob Earnshaw has a review on an Adamo last week but not sure which model - it had twin beds

 

[Old Gibber]

These models all share parts from the Trigano stable including Mobilvetta & Chausson and are 99% identical in build construction... the 1% is Benimar who still use wood in their coachbuilds. The other advantage is that they can be up plated to 4100Kg as a paper exercise... this drops the towing capacity from 1000kg to 500kg.

Benimar don't use wood in their construction, they are 99% wood free, the others don't say what percentage of wood is used. Also consider the auto Ford has a towing limit of 750kg. The Ford auto with the 170bhp engine (standard in the Tessoro) is great to drive.

 

[Jonno1103]

Benimar don't use wood in their construction, they are 99% wood free, the others don't say what percentage of wood is used. Also consider the auto Ford has a towing limit of 750kg. The Ford auto with the 170bhp engine (standard in the Tessoro) is great to drive.

Out of all of the Trigano group homologation designs, Benimar stand alone. Each panel frame has a wood edging strip. Adria, Auto Sleepers, Auto Trail, Chausson, Roller Team, Mclouis, Mobilvetta & Rimor don't.

All of the Auto Trail F line's have a max towing limit of 1000kg. The Roller Team Zefiro range, 1500kg and their newly updated Auto Roller range now built exclusively on the Ford has a towing limit of 2000kg.

 

[Old Gibber]

Can't see any wood edging here:

 

[Old Gibber]

On the 6m I'd consider the towbar at build stage - £684 (30kg) as to increase storage it gives you the option to add a tow bar fitted box which won't effect the motorhome's payload.

Of course the tow bar fitted box will affect the motorhome's payload, as does the towbar itself. Anything placed in that box will have a payload effect too, just as it would placed anywhere else in the motorhome, except that being mounted behind the real wheels it will have an adverse effect on the weight limit of the rear axle.

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[Old Gibber]

Out of all of the Trigano group homologation designs, Benimar stand alone. Each panel frame has a wood edging strip. Adria, Auto Sleepers, Auto Trail, Chausson, Roller Team, Mclouis, Mobilvetta & Rimor don't.

Don't know where you have dredged this info up from, but it appears to be naff. Below is a drawing from the Chausson catalogue which appears to be exactly the same as the Benimar construction, and does include a small amount of wood.

 

[Jonno1103]

Whatever... I'm not arguing over something I know to be fact.

That's wood.

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[Jonno1103]

Don't know where you have dredged this info up from, but it appears to be naff. Below is a drawing from the Chausson catalogue which appears to be exactly the same as the Benimar construction, and does include a small amount of wood.

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Just for the record I worked on horizontal & vertical integration For the Trigano Group across all of their brands. Chausson/ Challenger are not the same. Roller Team/Mobilvetta which share the same Tuscan production facility are slightly different again, they've replaced the outer wood brackets with XPS. Benimar don't have the base platform layer of composite, it's deeper XPS, wood and a 3mm GRP overlay.

 

[SmarqAdamo]

We've had the 69-4 for 4 months now.

It's flimsy. I think they could much improve in the QC department. Loose screws that come out, bits coming off, peeling off etc. We're currently having problems with the habitation door alarm. Anything Ford here works like a dream, many things Bailey are flimsy.
If I could rewind time I think I'd buy something else. However, it could be that any new MH will have the issues we're having.

 

[MisterB]

We considered an Adamo but we're surprised by how small it was internally, unlike other Bailey's, and the standard of finish and quality of furnishings and fittings was poor, again unlike other Bailey's we have had and viewed. We didn't go ahead though but that was to do with the layout we wanted not being available. We ended up buying an Adria and we are more than happy with it. It's not perfect in terms of what we would like (full oven and hob with electric and gas option) and we would have preferred Alde heating but everything else is either as we originally wanted or as we realised we wanted when we saw it (it has single beds which we had never considered!!)

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[David and Sally]

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We've had the 69-4 for 4 months now.

It's flimsy. I think they could much improve in the QC department. Loose screws that come out, bits coming off, peeling off etc. We're currently having problems with the habitation door alarm. Anything Ford here works like a dream, many things Bailey are flimsy.
If I could rewind time I think I'd buy something else. However, it could be that any new MH will have the issues we're having.

Ditto.

 

[Jonno1103]

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Ditto.

It's the compromise you have to make when buying a 3500kg motorhome which is designed to carry too many people and has far too much fitted as standard.

Both Bailey & now Swift could increase payloads and quality if they didn't fit heavy drop down beds, heavy Aguti travel seats & heavy electrically operated tables.