A Useful Tarriff Price List for you!

[John Barrett]

 

[15edward]

Rey interesting. Thank you
ive been wondering g about the extraction fan and the dehumidifier- whereabouts are their costs do you think?

 

[PhilandMena]

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I think this might help put this coming winters campsite leece prices into some sort of prospective ! Last year Camping Villasol in Benidorm was charging €0.47 per KWh and before the Ukraine invasion impact on fuel prices. (How high will it be come January ???)This winter, lecce pricing is going to cause problems for both camp sites and campers. It would not surprise me if some close for the winter.

 

[cmcardle75]

Rey interesting. Thank you
ive been wondering g about the extraction fan and the dehumidifier- whereabouts are their costs do you think?

A typical bathroom 100mm extractor fan (12W) would be about 0.6p/hour.
A typical dehumidifier (240W) would be about 12p/hour.

 

[15edward]

Thank you!

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[Gaston aires]

Excellent post, thanks. If there was a post of the week competition I’d nominate you but there isn’t so I can’t.

Phil

 

[SpeedyDux]

My lovely old plasma telly is going to cost me about £1 per evening's viewing

 

[TinaLes]

Thanks for posting, The wife has printed off the list, and will now stick on the fridge, seeing it in Black & White she can now better understand the cost of running things, and not just take my word for it.
Like many we have now relegated the tumble dryer, and dishwasher to the bottom division, and haven't used them for many months. The Remoska oven is working overtime also, only use the main oven grill for short periods as needed.

I will have to check out her new steam Iron for wattage, I know its high, but how do you get her to speed up, I wonder?

I am sure it wont take long for people to realise how much their large TV's & Sky boxes, plus maybe sound systems are costing them, especially when left on standby for a month/year. We have a 42" Plasma TV, and I know its more expensive than the LED one.
Frightening to think of the even higher costs in January, if the rumoured increases take place, but we will have to wait and see what actions Liz Truss will be advised to take next week, as she is not clever enough to work it out on her own, not enough fingers to count on.
LES

 

[Sandancers]

As I mentioned in another thread was talking to a couple over the weekend who have a hot tub in the garden. They insisted they would keep it operational over the winter as the salesman told them that once it is up to temp it is so well insulated that it doesn't drop any heat when not in use. Therefore they said it won't cost much to run !

 

[Wack]

I wonder how many people will start buying more energy efficient products , anyone would think high electricity prices are designed to get us to spend money

I was born in 1961 , it was 1976 before we got gas central heating , prior to that it was a coal fire and storage heaters that were put in about 1970

The young don't need central heating for survival , the irony is the really elderly do , and we've just had lockdowns to protect them , but now they can die in a cold house.

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[cmcardle75]

Like many we have now relegated the tumble dryer, and dishwasher to the bottom division, and haven't used them for many months.

Careful on the dishwasher. Modern dishwashers might actually use less energy than washing by hand, depending on the programme selected, how full you stack it, your dishwashing technique and the type of hot water heating you have.

 

[PhilandMena]

Careful on the dishwasher. Modern dishwashers might actually use less energy than washing by hand, depending on the programme selected, how full you stack it, your dishwashing technique and the type of hot water heating you have.

Can you explain how washing by hand uses more energy than dishwashers ! That's lost on me !

 

[cmcardle75]

Can you explain how washing by hand uses more energy than dishwashers ! That's lost on me !

Because dishwashers have been optimised to such an extent that they use very little water. Someone hand dish-washing frugally could probably still beat it, or they could choose wasteful options on the dishwasher programme. However, the average dishwasher usage on its Eco programme uses less energy than the average person washing by hand.

 

[Otter Spotter]

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As I mentioned in another thread was talking to a couple over the weekend who have a hot tub in the garden. They insisted they would keep it operational over the winter as the salesman told them that once it is up to temp it is so well insulated that it doesn't drop any heat when not in use. Therefore they said it won't cost much to run !

Is the salesman paying the running costs for them? how gullible can you be !

 

[poppycamper]

Careful on the dishwasher. Modern dishwashers might actually use less energy than washing by hand, depending on the programme selected, how full you stack it, your dishwashing technique and the type of hot water heating you have.

We have bought extra cutlery and dishes enough to fill dish washer which only has to go on once a week... so yes I would say more economical than boiling a kettle or even two to hand wash dishes probably twice a day.
Pans only washed if really necessary..a wipe out and a coating of oil (which is much gentler on pan than scrubing in hot water) to keep them in good condition.

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[TinaLes]

Careful on the dishwasher. Modern dishwashers might actually use less energy than washing by hand, depending on the programme selected, how full you stack it, your dishwashing technique and the type of hot water heating you have.

Yes you are correct, I probably do use more hot water washing up by hand than the DW would use.
However, The water is heated by a gas boiler and is stored in the hot water cistern tank in the airing cupboard, we would need hot water for washing & showers, plus the odd bowl of warm water for general cleaning. I know a new combi boiler would be more efficient but we will have to see what happens over the next few years, we may have to find a bungalow.
We have a really good Siemens DW, it has loads of programmes that we hardly used, diff temps, diff washing cycles, however The ECO settings take 3 times as long to complete their cycle, but maybe there are some power savings, don't know.
Confession!: I am in for a bollocking I know.
I have always washed the food remnants off the plates & bowls, & pre-soaked the roasting dishes before putting them in the Dish Washer, as it keeps the machine clean and I have never had to clear out the filter. Everything came out as it should, no concrete Weetabix bits stuck to the bowls, and no red baked bean stained Tupperware boxes.

Anyway, I for one aint gonna believe that Fairy Liquid Dishwasher Tab advert on the tele, no way would a well roasted, blackened Pyrex oven dish be thoroughly cleaned in a dishwasher, unless it had two pre-rinses, washed at 60C Plus, and ran all night, and had a little man with a Brillo pad running arround inside it!
Best wishes to all.
LES

 

[cmcardle75]

Yes you are correct, I probably do use more hot water washing up by hand than the DW would use.
However, The water is heated by a gas boiler and is stored in the hot water cistern tank in the airing cupboard, we would need hot water for washing & showers, plus the odd bowl of warm water for general cleaning. I know a new combi boiler would be more efficient but we will have to see what happens over the next few years, we may have to find a bungalow.
We have a really good Siemens DW, it has loads of programmes that we hardly used, diff temps, diff washing cycles, however The ECO settings take 3 times as long to complete their cycle, but maybe there are some power savings, don't know.
Confession!: I am in for a bollocking I know.
I have always washed the food remnants off the plates & bowls, & pre-soaked the roasting dishes before putting them in the Dish Washer, as it keeps the machine clean and I have never had to clear out the filter. Everything came out as it should, no concrete Weetabix bits stuck to the bowls, and no red baked bean stained Tupperware boxes.

Anyway, I for one aint gonna believe that Fairy Liquid Dishwasher Tab advert on the tele, no way would a well roasted, blackened Pyrex oven dish be thoroughly cleaned in a dishwasher, unless it had two pre-rinses, washed at 60C Plus, and ran all night, and had a little man with a Brillo pad running arround inside it!
Best wishes to all.
LES

Remember that the dishwasher might actually use less water than the slug of cold water you have to run through at the kitchen sink. The heat in that serpentine run of pipe from the tank to the sink is wasted every time you run the hot tap.

The ECO setting does take longer, but it uses less electricity and water.

 

[Spriddler]

Interesting, thanks, but of little relevance to me as I was brought up to be naturally frugal and never waste any power. For that reason plus the crafty escalation of the standing charge I have no use for a Smart meter either as I simply couldn't cut down my consumption.

 

[mikebeaches]

Can you explain how washing by hand uses more energy than dishwashers ! That's lost on me !

According to the Consumers Association Which? they looked at both water consumption and energy used - comparing a dishwasher with washing up by hand. The information was prepared in September 2020, so obviously the price of gas and electricity are seriously out of date, but the principles should still apply.

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"When washing up, we estimate that you can wash around two standard meal sets with one washing-up bowl (average capacity of nine litres) before you'd need to empty the water and fill it again.

One standard meal set is equivalent to one place setting in a dishwasher: one dinner plate, dessert plate, soup plate, glass, saucer, cup and set of cutlery.

However, dishwashers don't just wash one or two place settings at a time; some can wash up to 16 in one wash. To make it an even comparison, we filled a dishwasher up to the max before putting it on.

We then divided the water used in one wash by enough to just wash two place settings - one washing-up bowl. Doing this, we can get an even comparison.

We found that all dishwashers, even the least water-efficient, can wash twice as many dishes using the same water.

• 19 sets - Best dishwasher
• 9 sets - Average full-size
• 7 sets - Average slimline
• 4 sets - Worst dishwasher
• 2 sets - Hand Washing

This is based on all the dishwashers we've tested in the past eight years (423 full-size models, 133 slimline models, in total).

What about energy use?​

Dishwashers on average use about 1.10kWh of energy per wash. This costs roughly 20p, based on 18.75p per kWh, although that will of course depend on your energy provider.

How much energy used to heat up water for your washing up bowl will depend on the heater.
If you have a gas-heated water tank, it isn't an easy comparison (a bit like apples and pears). Gas is typically cheaper than electricity, but is worse for the environment.

According to analysis by clear-heater.co.uk, an average electric immersion heater costs about 44p to heat up enough water for an 80 litre bath.

That means a nine litre washing up bowl will cost roughly 5p to heat up. As dishwashers are able to wash more in a single wash, using less water (and hence having less to heat up), they could be more energy-efficient, too."

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So there you have it - according to Which? in 2020, a dishwasher COULD be more energy efficient...

But they are confident using a dishwasher - fully loaded - consumes less water than washing up the same quantity of plates, dishes, cutlery etc by hand.

 

[charliesgrandad]

Remember that the dishwasher might actually use less water than the slug of cold water you have to run through at the kitchen sink. The heat in that serpentine run of pipe from the tank to the sink is wasted every time you run the hot tap.

Not in our house, SWMBO bought a new bucket so she can run the water in it till it gets hot then uses it to water the garden

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[mikebeaches]

Interesting to see the Google Nest mini speaker on the list at 0.2p an hour.

BUT, is that on standby, or when playing audio of some sort?

We've got half a dozen around the house which are always on standby, ready to spring into action on command.

So according to the new price list - if the cost applies to standby - it could be: 6 @ 0.2p = 1.2p an hour x 24 hours = 28.8p a day!!

 

[Gaston aires]

Can you explain how washing by hand uses more energy than dishwashers ! That's lost on me !

A dishwasher uses 9 ltrs of water. Hand washing the same amount of stuff costs far more in energy terms.
Phil upmedishwasher.

 

[PhilandMena]

A dishwasher uses 9 ltrs of water. Hand washing the same amount of stuff costs far more in energy terms.
Phil upmedishwasher.

My life will never be the same armed with this information.

 

[donkey]

Rey interesting. Thank you
ive been wondering g about the extraction fan and the dehumidifier- whereabouts are their costs do you think?

Worth remembering that a proper compressor dehumidifier will produce more heat for a given amount of electricity consumed because it extracts heat from the air as latent heat.
So you get some free heat into the room.

Geoff

 

[Otter Spotter]

A dishwasher uses 9 ltrs of water. Hand washing the same amount of stuff costs far more in energy terms.
Phil upmedishwasher.

You haven’t said what you are measuring, water or electricity? A D/W may use 9 ltrs of water but what is the comparison against operating the D/W in electricity costs and heating water up for hand washing the same amount of dishes etc.? Because in my house if we were to hand wash a dishwasher load then we woukd change the water at least twice and rinse in cold, therefore using more water and possibly electricity to heat the water.

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[DavidG58]

We have just invested in a plug in device to check the actual consumption of any device using a 13A plug.

We have smart meters and they display a variety of things including consumption / cost now, we have a back ground use of around 800W , masked by the solar panels which drop that to zero in daylight / sunshine as it is monitoring what we are taking from the grid

180W has been confirmed to be the pond pump which rubs 24/7 but may end up on a timer no idea yet what the rest is, but I am going to track it down now

Our oven has a 3kw element so Sunday dinner is going to be more to cook than buy soon at least I can’t check that as it’s hard wired, will only be able to cook if the sun is shining

I am seriously concerned though, even with solar we ‘bought’ over 700Kw in January, @9p Kwhr then I didn’t mind much, don’t fancy it at 57p

 

[cmcardle75]

Interesting, thanks, but of little relevance to me as I was brought up to be naturally frugal and never waste any power. For that reason plus the crafty escalation of the standing charge I have no use for a Smart meter either as I simply couldn't cut down my consumption.

I use my smart meter to get a differential tariff. Which means I can heat my cylinder overnight at ridiculously low rate (when, on average, if not at the moment, there is lots of spare wind power). It then lasts throughout the day.

 

[cmcardle75]

Not in our house, SWMBO bought a new bucket so she can run the water in it till it gets hot then uses it to water the garden

Even if you save the water (a very good idea due to the drought), you won't save the energy used to heat it.

 

[Janine]

I am not sure what cost this is based on but useful for comparison...

 

[Jays2]

Thanks for you post at the start of this thread.
Was surprised at the 5 watt led taking 26 p then check my glasses and found it was 0.26 p

Next was the cooking hob and did some research and found this:-

Just how energy efficient are induction cooktops?​

Research clearly shows that induction cooktops are more energy efficient: gas cooktops are about 40 percent efficient; electric-coil and standard smooth-top electric cooktops are about 74 percent efficient, and induction cooktops are 84 percent efficient.

It’s also faster to heat food or liquids on an induction stove versus a gas stove (5.8 seconds vs 8.3 seconds to boil water in one experiment). And, data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration shows that while burning natural gas is marginally better than burning coal (to power an electric stovetop) in terms of carbon dioxide emissions, induction beats both hands-down (propane gas is the worst offender).

With a hob it’s difficult to access energy used as it not the same as a kettle or a lamp. It uses electric energy on/ off to get the required temperature as set.

We are going to fit an induction hob in our new camper build, whilst checking our usage at home found that the induction hob produced a false reading on the amp meter due to induced impedance from it coils.

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