2030 no new diesel vans. What's your plan? (1 Viewer)

[Jim]

It looks like the nearer we get to 2030 we have decisions to make. Would you be mad to buy a new diesel van after say 2025? or do you think the prices of diesel will hold up in the move to electric, drop like a stone or maybe even go up?

I know that many of us will be able to hide our own easter eggs by 2030, but younger Funsters who expect to be motorhoming long into the 30's whats your plan? keep your van, buy newish now and keep it, wait and see, keep calm and carry on.

 

[AndyPK]

‘Plan for the worst, hope for the best’.......I hope the value of diesel vans will go up.....but there could be a lot less fuelling points to use by then.....!?!

 

[Figaro]

It's going to be interesting, maybe some back tracking around 2025 ?

Or a lot of late deliveries, plumbers and electricians not turning up, in fact everyone will have an excuse to be late "sorry guv, I'm stuck in a queue at the charging point"

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[Jaws]

My plan is to still be breathing in 2030.. Past that, if I am still active and travelling I will continue to use what ever vehicle( s ) I have unless there are some major breakthroughs in technology and pricing !

 

[ctc]

Just hoping I'm still here in 10 years.

 

[SpeedyDux]

By then FIAT ought to have brought out the next generation Ducato (and its Peugeot / Citroen variants) not merely another facelift.

The X290 replacement seems long overdue. I will be hoping it is at least a hybrid. In which case I will be very tempted to buy another PVC. Diesel or petrol hybrid, I don't mind which.

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[Coolcats]

It looks like the nearer we get to 2030 we have decisions to make. Would you be mad to buy a new diesel van after say 2025? or do you think the prices of diesel will hold up in the move to electric, drop like a stone or maybe even go up?

I know that many of us will be able to hide our own easter eggs by 2030, but younger Funsters who expect to be motorhoming long into the 30's whats your plan? keep your van, buy newish now and keep it, wait and see, keep calm and carry on.

You may see hybrid fuel emerging for older vehicles or it maybe they are just priced off the road, I guess it’s a wait and see.

 

[Cheshirecat57]

Given that I have had 4 new vans in less than 3 years, my opinion on the 10 -years-from-now-future should be taken with a sack of salt

but I think if someone had told you in the very early nineties that in 10 years (by 2001) a contraption called an i-pod , the size of a fag packet , would do away with your new-fangled CD collection adorning a wall of your bedroom......AND
that 10 years after that, that the very same i-pod would be worthless as you could store it all on just your phone....and that by 2020
you wouldn’t have a need for a collection because you could “stream anything” ( whatever that would mean in 1990)........

its relentless innit

 

[Jim]

By then FIAT ought to have brought out the next generation Ducato (and its Peugeot / Citroen variants) not merely another facelift.

The X290 replacement seems long overdue. I will be hoping it is at least a hybrid. In which case I will be very tempted to buy another PVC. Diesel or petrol hybrid, I don't mind which.

but arent hybrids banned too just 5 years later

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[EzeeRider]

Just hoping I'm still here in 10 years.

Like wise and if I am, then I will be on my last van anyway, might even still have the one I have now if I could keep my C1+E that long.
I'll take it as it comes.
ezee

 

[Jev88]

Growing market for electric engine transplants? You can already buy a Classic Mini (amongst others) with electric motor conversion.

 

[SpeedyDux]

but arent hybrids banned too just 5 years later

True, but it depends whether a full PEV van that suite MH requirements is available at a competitive price i.e. a bit cheaper than a diesel one.

Meanwhile I tend to be phobic about range and charging, unless it is self-charging like my hybrid car, which has a range of 560 miles per tankful and no worries.

Otherwise the X290 we have will just have to last and last though I expect the repair and maintenance costs will rise and rise correspondingly.

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[Brains]

I'd agree that buying a brand new diesel powered van much after this year will mean it's going to drop in value towards the end of it's life, but until we see Fiat, and Mercedes, and Ford, and Citroen, etc. produce a replacement base vehicle with at least a 250 mile range then the M/Home builders will be at least a year behind, as they will probably need to make some large changes in design to cater for the space for the batteries.

The new vans (commercial or motohome) are also going to come with a new problem of weight.
To get a Mercedes Sprinter, VW Crafter, Fiat Ducatto van load of stuff 250 miles is going to need a big heavy battery. That would mean your base vehicle would be a lot closer to 3.5 tonnes, thereby reducing the payload.

Does that mean every tradesman in Europe is going to have to take a C1 licence ?
or do they change the rules ?

In other words, until they sort out the basics, we are safe for a few years.
Even after 2030 I think will still have a decade or so where both Electric and Diesel vehicles will be common.

However the days of being able to drive a diesel powered van into the centre of a town are going to get more and more limited, town by town.
Many cities in Germany have already started and London starts in April 2021.

 

[Ivory55]

A week is a long time in politics so 10 years must be a lifetime. Haha. In 10 years might not even own a van, and I cannot see us replacing this one anytime soon.

 

[Steve and Denise]

No need for a Motorhome in 2030. You will just have a virtual Motorhome tour type it in and off you go! Much easier than a great big van and all the hassles that go with it

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[Brains]

Motorhomes powered on older fuel methods can still be seen occasionally on our roads.

 

[Jim]

True, but it depends whether a full PEV van that suite MH requirements is available at a competitive price i.e. a bit cheaper than a diesel one.

Meanwhile I tend to be phobic about range and charging, unless it is self-charging like my hybrid car, which has a range of 560 miles per tankful and no worries.

Otherwise the X290 we have will just have to last and last though I expect the repair and maintenance costs will rise and rise correspondingly.

Range will be a big tradeoff with payload.. so those stuck at 3.5t will have little range or poor payload and probably both.

 

[frogijock]

I will be in my mid 80s so probably will not be driving by then that’s if I don’t go down with China’s latest export to the world

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[TheAleMan]

Had current van 13 years, have a new one on order, and that will have to last us out.

 

[DC4JC]

One would hope 2nd hand prices would hold up,initially, after 2030, given no new van availability.
Personally, think the thing thats going to potentially create a bigger issue will be the downsizing of the current infrastructure for diesel vehicles. As diesel cars begin to disappear off the road, garage forecourts are going to start withdrawing fuel pumps, to the point where it could become difficult to fill up post 2030. Either through lack of filling stations or indeed the location of those left on some forecourts.
Additionally, its probable that diesel fuel costs will rise, potentially siginificantly, due to either eco tax and refinery costs, due to reduced demand. Transport companies may get some concession on fuel costs, until technology enables fleets to be economically and viablaly replaced?
So, personally, Im not sure whether it might be a case of bailing at the right time?
Could be the case of running what youve got until it either cant be economically repaired and or running costs become extortionate.

 

[pagey]

My van is 3 years old so it will only be 13 in 2030 no real age for a motorhome more important I will be 81 so may not want to do it anymore so no new van for me

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[dosser]

Far too far ahead to even worry about it.

 

[nicholsong]

I will answer when I know whether we are being forced in the very near future to sell ours and buy another MH, in which case a new one to spec might be on the cards and last me the 20 years to my 99th birthday.

Geoff

 

[Richard n Ann]

With 6 x 150w panels on the roof you could harvest 4.5kwh per week in the summer. How much would that extend the range? Might make it more practical.

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[pandas]

Humvee are just developing their battery vehicle; that should be good enough for a 4.5 ton Motorhome.

 

[LesW]

How much would that extend the range?

About 500 yards

 

[grumps147]

My van is 3 years old so it will only be 13 in 2030 no real age for a motorhome more important I will be 81 so may not want to do it anymore so no new van for me

Snap, almost identical considerations.

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[63720]

Does that mean there will be no fuel retailed after this date? Our vans along with vintage and historic vehicles have a pretty long life if well looked after, I don't think we need to panic.

 

[Sasbo]

I'll be pleased if I get past 2030 hrs this evening

 

[Theonlysue]

I'll be 70, so maybe not even fulltiming.
Might be back in bricks and mortar.
I'll think about it in a few years!

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