Tam &Toby do Europe ...Take two (1 Viewer)

[Northernraider]

But none of it is free..the money has to come from somewhere,,usually by cuts elsewhere .. Antrying free has to be funded somehow. BUSBY.

Yep and with tory it means more austerity
With labour it means raising tax on high earners
For someone on £80k it's an extra £250 a year.....or a Costa coffee a day

I put more than that in charity tins and I've never seen £80k a year

 

[Northernraider]

and guess where the money for that comes from?
Government spending in Scotland
The main reason for Scotland’s higher implicit budget deficit is that government spending per person is higher than the UK average while onshore tax revenues are a little lower than the UK average. For instance, Table 1 shows that in 2017–18, government spending per person was 13.2% above the UK average, but onshore revenues were 4.7% below the UK average. At their current low levels, offshore oil and gas revenues from the North Sea can only make up a small part of this difference.
The Table also shows that government spending per person in Scotland has increased relative to the UK average in recent years: it was 11.3% above average in 2015–16 and 9.5% above average in 2009–10. This results in part from the way the Barnett formula works – during periods of fiscal restraint it ensures that Scotland (and the other devolved nations) don’t quite suffer from the full force of spending cuts being made by the UK government. In addition, as mentioned above, the Scottish Government has been making use of devolved borrowing powers to invest more in new infrastructure and facilities since 2015–16.
Table 1. Scottish public expenditure and onshore revenues per person, as a percentage of the UK averages, 2009–10 to 2017–18

Fiscal aggregates	2009–10	2011-12	2013-14	2014–15	2015–16	2016–17	2017–18
Scotland as % of UK
Expenditure per person	109.5%	111.0%	111.2%	110.6%	111.3%	112.3%	113.2%
Onshore revenue per person	97.4%	96.9%	97.5%	97.3%	95.6%	94.7%	95.3%

Source: Author’s calculations using GERS 2017–18.

Yes but unfortunately that's Westminster's point of view

But still they wont let us be independent

Now surely with evidence of how the Tories cut adrift anything that costs them money even you have to wonder why are they so desperate to keep us ?

 

[Ditcha]

See Jimmy Krankie did well on Andrew Neil

Andrew Neil shames Nicola Sturgeon 10 TIMES in just 43 seconds

ANDREW NEIL landed 10 unanswered blows to Nicola Sturgeon in a disastrous interview with the SNP leader on BBC One.

www.express.co.uk

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[monzer]

See Jimmy Krankie did well on Andrew Neil

Andrew Neil shames Nicola Sturgeon 10 TIMES in just 43 seconds

ANDREW NEIL landed 10 unanswered blows to Nicola Sturgeon in a disastrous interview with the SNP leader on BBC One.

www.express.co.uk

Andrew Neil did pretty well. I especially like the way he managed to not lower himself down to childish name calling

 

[Ditcha]

Just saying they are all the same full of **it

 

[Northernraider]

Jut saying they are all the same full of **it

Yep just proves my point

Just like boris .. his followers have to resort to name calling


Certainly in ability to answer questions and know what's they are talking about

Sturgeon and Corbyn are miles ahead of the other two

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[Peter and Julie]

WOW! Different tone to this thread now? Has it become political? OR is Tam fishing?

 

[monzer]

OR is Tam fishing?

He was but he's reached his quota now that has been set by the EU. Bloody Brussels!

 

[Reallyretired]

This previously excellent thread is spiralling downhill rapidly. Political crap creeping in everywhere, roll on 13th December when we can get back to some sort of normality.

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[Northernraider]

This previously excellent thread is spiralling downhill rapidly. Political crap creeping in everywhere, roll on 13th December when we can get back to some sort of normality.

Sorry but everything in life involves politics
And I guess at the end of this trip I'm just facing the fact if tories get back in it will be the last longterm trip I do?‍

 

[mitzimad]

Sorry but everything in life involves politics
And I guess at the end of this trip I'm just facing the fact if tories get back in it will be the last longterm trip I do?‍

I know nothing of your finances but i would be interested to see how a tory government is going to stop you travelling youve managed ok for the last 3 years

 

[Langtoftlad]

Folk are tough on the 20k more police thing.... but I think credit should be given that even though other Tory leadership/governments cut too far.... BJ's version of Govt is to put things back to the way they were.

I get the anti Conservative sentiment, and I'm not impressed with election hyperbole... but I do like the idea of putting stuff right...

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[Northernraider]

I know nothing of your finances but i would be interested to see how a tory government is going to stop you travelling youve managed ok for the last 3 years

Because they will push through Brexit and as a result 90 days will be the max and may well require visas for each country.

That's why.

 

[Northernraider]

Folk are tough on the 20k more police thing.... but I think credit should be given that even though other Tory leadership/governments cut too far.... BJ's version of Govt is to put things back to the way they were.

I get the anti Conservative sentiment, and I'm not impressed with election hyperbole... but I do like the idea of putting stuff right...

My sister is one of the 19000 nurses he's hoping to keep

Unfortunately theyve all had enough of trying to save lives under the conditions and shes taking early retirement.

They've killed the nhs , they can't put things right.

Cant trust a word the man says and that's a fact , he lies about everything

Their mandate is pretty much brexit Brexit Brexit and nothing else...certainly not 5 years worth. But then hell spend the next 5 years trying to get a trade deal anything like what we already have , and giving a mandate over 10 years is a bit presumptuous really when a term is 5 years. He gets in the money will suddenly dry up come January once we are stuck with them for another 5 years.

 

[Northernraider]

Anyway here's a doggy picture

Might get one of an immigrant hanging under my van in morning.

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[Scotch mist]

Tam you say. But still they wont let us be independent

It was the Scots that voted not to be independent , nothing to do with them !

 

[Northernraider]

Tam you say. But still they wont let us be independent

It was the Scots that voted not to be independent , nothing to do with them !

Yes after they were told an independent Scotland would lose its eu membership and the tories labour etc all panicked and rushed to scotland at the first sign of a poll showing leave to be ahead.

Not to mention the BBC bias similar to what they are doing with Tory now

And if it comes out there was Russian interference in the referendum who's to say it didn't happen in that one also?
A lot has changed in 5 years

Add that to tory determination to block a second referendum, labour refusing to grant one within first 2 years of gaining power.
I'd say they were trying prettttty damm hard to keep us. ?
If we were the drain on the uk that westminster tells everyone in England we would be waved off.

I'm all for allowing England to vote on a Scottish indy referendum.....maybe that way we would actually get it.

 

[klaatu]

More Tory lies:

Tory MP candidate caught getting friend to pose as anti-Labour swing voter, as party's disinformation campaign continues

‘You know I’m the candidate, but not a friend, alright?’ Conservative heard saying on phone, after forgetting he was wearing microphone

www.independent.co.uk

This thread is great. It was good when it was about Tam’s trip. Now it’s become an oasis of rationality in a desert of Tory/Brexit fandom, it’s just brilliant. Think we might get into trouble soon, though

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[Scotch mist]

Tam , There was lots of bull shit on both sides , with things like we have oil & whisky

after snp’s rant about we will be looking for another independence vote they lost 10 seats at the recent local
elections, with quotes like we are going to tax the rich & redistribute the wealth many businesses have already relocated out of Scotland, the rich will take their money somewhere else , open there business elsewhere , and the people who suffer is the employees who no longer have a job , the rich will just invest their money in another country

 

[Northernraider]

Tam , There was lots of bull shit on both sides , with things like we have oil & whisky

after snp’s rant about we will be looking for another independence vote they lost 10 seats at the recent local
elections, with quotes like we are going to tax the rich & redistribute the wealth many businesses have already relocated out of Scotland, the rich will take their money somewhere else , open there business elsewhere , and the people who suffer is the employees who no longer have a job , the rich will just invest their money in another country

Why would they when the tax increase is only back to where it was in 2010 and still the cheapest out of all these

 

[Scotch mist]

I’m talking about snp not labour

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[Northernraider]

Anywayyyyyy

If you all dont want me to discuss politics on this thread stop saying stuff I have to reply to lol.

I've tried twice to change the subject

Once with info about cite Europe

And then cute doggy pics

Theres nothing else i can post to change subject


I know as someone probably 25 years younger than the average member on here that I'm banging my head of a brick wall trying to change folks minds
Thankfully the polls are showing that the gap is closing and record numbers registering to vote also ......the results will speak for themselves.

So let's just drop it

Not much more of this thread to go anyway as I'll be home in a week or so and the trips over. ?

 

[Northernraider]

I’m talking about snp not labour

Doesn't matter who ....its still more expensive anywhere else ?

They are leaving because of the word we cannot say ....not because of SNP.

 

[Val 3 dogs]

Interupting the politics momentarily and not expecting anyone to do anything but I've just spent a very worrying hour or so with my pup. She went out on to my patio sometime after her supper (maybe 9:45ish) I was busy studying Spanish on my computer so wasn't paying much attention.
Next thing I saw she was rubbing her face and a bit later pawing at her eyes.
I ran a teatowel under the cold tap and wiped/bathed her face and eyes, still not to alarmed.
Next time I looked her eyes were swollen up and nearly closed, then the whole top of her muzzle and forehead swelled.
I got a pack of frozen peas wrapped in a teatowel and held over her face and eyes. That seemed to lessen the worst of the swelling.
But then she began to growl and threaten. Then I gave her one of my anti-histom one pills. A little while later she moved on to her bed and is now lying sleeping.

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[Scotch mist]

Sorry to hear that hope the pup is ok ?
let us know how she gets on

the pup is far more important politics anyway

 

[Just smiffy]

Interupting the politics momentarily and not expecting anyone to do anything but I've just spent a very worrying hour or so with my pup. She went out on to my patio sometime after her supper (maybe 9:45ish) I was busy studying Spanish on my computer so wasn't paying much attention.
Next thing I saw she was rubbing her face and a bit later pawing at her eyes.
I ran a teatowel under the cold tap and wiped/bathed her face and eyes, still not to alarmed.
Next time I looked her eyes were swollen up and nearly closed, then the whole top of her muzzle and forehead swelled.
I got a pack of frozen peas wrapped in a teatowel and held over her face and eyes. That seemed to lessen the worst of the swelling.
But then she began to growl and threaten. Then I gave her one of my anti-histom one pills. A little while later she moved on to her bed and is now lying sleeping.

Procession caterpillar.....?

 

[klaatu]

Procession caterpillar.....?

That was my thought too. Hope the pup is feeling better soon.

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[Val 3 dogs]

Yes my feeling too. She is sleeping peacefully at the moment.
At no point has she had difficulty breathing.which was a concern of mine.
I have no idea what has caused this but the nasty little voice inside my head kept saying "don't forget a scorpion walked through the lounge two years ago.
I imagine I would have heard a yelp if she had encountered such a thing.
Anyway thanks for your response- like Tam, there are occasions I would sooner not be single. Not often though

 

[Val 3 dogs]

Wrong season for the caterpillars I think. But we fortunately don't get them around here.

 

[klaatu]

Wrong season for the caterpillars I think. But we fortunately don't get them around here.

We saw our first ever processionary caterpillars on 21st November, two years ago, in Arcachon, France. But if you don’t get them there, it must be something else.

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