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[MattR]

I broke in and "hotwired" a 1999 motorhome for MMM in under 20 seconds for an article!

The more I learn about security, the worse I feel about what we have.

Any idea how long it would take to break into and hot wire a Mercedes Sprinter?

 

[Wildbill]

This has Ben a grat thread I have learnt so much how to pick locks open safes and even use a biro
Now that I have learnt all that I am off on a crime spree pleas put on funster face book when you are all off on holiday
PS @bigfoot hop you get things sorted soon and it has a positive out come and you get your scimitar back
Bill

 

[scotjimland]

sorry to hear about this.. our worst nightmare..

can't really add anything that hasn't already been said.. just hope it's a happy ending..

 

[MattR]

I don't know how that immobiliser was bypassed but access to a Transit van cab?

 

[carolyn]

I do hope you get some good news soon about your van.

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[eddie]

The more I learn about security, the worse I feel about what we have.

Any idea how long it would take to break into and hot wire a Mercedes Sprinter?

Hot wiring your Sprinter at the moment is very difficult

The Ford software has been the problem.

All down to the EU I am afraid! In a bid to bring everything down to the lowest denomination, certain information has to be in the public domain, like access and re-programming codes.

There is a little box that when plugged into the Ford On Board Diagnostic Port/Plug (OBDP) will allow a blank key to be coded in seconds

If your alarm installer has been idle and simple linked your aftermarket alarm into the CAN BUS system to save the installer time, the alarm is disabled with the new key along with the vehicle manufacturers security methods.

 

[eddie]

 

[chaser]

Hot wiring your Sprinter at the moment is very difficult

The Ford software has been the problem.

All down to the EU I am afraid! In a bid to bring everything down to the lowest denomination, certain information has to be in the public domain, like access and re-programming codes.

There is a little box that when plugged into the Ford On Board Diagnostic Port/Plug (OBDP) will allow a blank key to be coded in seconds

If your alarm installer has been idle and simple linked your aftermarket alarm into the CAN BUS system to save the installer time, the alarm is disabled with the new key along with the vehicle manufacturers security methods.

Eddie, please can you tell me this, I have a 02 ford ranger pickup, Mazda, I have only ever had one key to it and I have tried everywhere to get another, but no ordinary locksmith can make one they say you have to have the whole door to bits and then get ford to supply one which is about £200 , is this so in your experience, but on the plus side they do say you can't start it without the right key, if this is so surely we have gone backwards.

 

[laird of Dunstan]

I broke in and "hotwired" a 1999 motorhome for MMM in under 20 seconds for an article!

was it you that nicked it then

 

[Anthea M]

So sorry to hear about the theft of your pride and joy. I do hope the van is found safe and sound.
The thieving scrotes will probably get away with it even if your van is recovered I'm afraid.

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[hilldweller]

PLEASE STOP POSTING HOW EASY IT IS TO PICK LOCKS WITH A VIDEO AS WELL.

Why, they are just YouTube videos anyone can find in seconds.

 

[olley]

So what's the answer? A hungry rotti sitting in the motorhome?

Ian

 

[hilldweller]

Like this?

Exactly. I was pointed to that video by Mr Big1. I could not believe it. I took the safe to pieces and corrected the design fault with some grease.

Knowledge is everything.

 

[MattR]

Hot wiring your Sprinter at the moment is very difficult

The Ford software has been the problem.

All down to the EU I am afraid! In a bid to bring everything down to the lowest denomination, certain information has to be in the public domain, like access and re-programming codes.

There is a little box that when plugged into the Ford On Board Diagnostic Port/Plug (OBDP) will allow a blank key to be coded in seconds

If your alarm installer has been idle and simple linked your aftermarket alarm into the CAN BUS system to save the installer time, the alarm is disabled with the new key along with the vehicle manufacturers security methods.

Sorry that Ford vehicles have this issue but pleased that the Merc is a little safer from being driven away. Getting inside it though, that is a different matter, although I have taken a number of precautions that I hope will deter a scrote.

 

[MattR]

Eddie, please can you tell me this, I have a 02 ford ranger pickup, Mazda, I have only ever had one key to it and I have tried everywhere to get another, but no ordinary locksmith can make one they say you have to have the whole door to bits and then get ford to supply one which is about £200 , is this so in your experience, but on the plus side they do say you can't start it without the right key, if this is so surely we have gone backwards.

I may be wrong but our Mazda Bongo campervan was difficult at first to get replacement keys for but then we found a key cutter who did them with ease - the Bongo and Ranger were based on the same chasis etc. and I wonder if they shared the same locks. Does your key have a code engraved onto it?

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[eddie]

Eddie, please can you tell me this, I have a 02 ford ranger pickup, Mazda, I have only ever had one key to it and I have tried everywhere to get another, but no ordinary locksmith can make one they say you have to have the whole door to bits and then get ford to supply one which is about £200 , is this so in your experience, but on the plus side they do say you can't start it without the right key, if this is so surely we have gone backwards.

It has gone backwards recently. Your vehicle will not be at risk of what is called "keyless" theft

 

[Chocy boy]

Don't rely on them; the old ones use locks that are easy to pick.

Why, they are just YouTube videos anyone can find in seconds.

If they didn't know, they do now.

 

[MattR]

It has gone backwards recently. Your vehicle will not be at risk of what is called "keyless" theft

Like this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3629048/Experts-say-hack-Mitsubishi-Outlander.html

 

[chaser]

Havnt they stopped it yet, if they knew where it was a couple of hours ago it ought to be home now.

 

[chaser]

I may be wrong but our Mazda Bongo campervan was difficult at first to get replacement keys for but then we found a key cutter who did them with ease - the Bongo and Ranger were based on the same chasis etc. and I wonder if they shared the same locks. Does your key have a code engraved onto it?

Yeah, I can get keys that open the doors no problem, but won't start it

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[MattR]

Yeah, I can get keys that open the doors no problem, but won't start it

I guess that you have an immobiliser chip in the fob. I believe that these chips can be copied so you may need to glue the chip onto a key that you have had cut.

 

[Gromett]

Based on computer security, I long ago came to the conclusion that nothing is 100% secure. You always have to balance security against convenience.
The only secure computer is one in a sealed steal box with no keyboard/mouse or other io ports and not connected to the internet and even that only goes so far.

The same applies to vans. If they are determined to have it away they will do so no matter what steps you take. So you have to balance what makes it harder for them without making it too inconvenient for you. As I do with servers, I wanted security in multiple layers so it requires the thief to breach multiple layers of defence to get away with my van.

None of this is much help to you @bigfoot and you do have my deepest sympathies, I can imagine it must be heartbreaking

On my van my first steps were physical. I fitted good quality deadlocks to all the doors on my van. You can even see the cockups I made
https://www.fulltiming.info/self-build-motorhome/fitting-deadlocks

Thieves wouldn't waste time trying to pick these to get into my van. It would make it unsaleable as it stood. Thieves like a quick way to escape and the only way into my van due to these is to smash a window and climb in. If they got disturbed they would have to climb back out, not exactly a fast exit.

I haven't fitted any further security on this van other than a safe as I didn't expect to keep it this long. However my next van will be fitted with tracker, remote immobiliser alarm system which I bought off Amazon for £18 (now £20). Don't let the price fool you.
It is a tracker, it allows you to remotely disable the vehicle. GPS Fence. SMS remote control, remote mic monitoring plus loads and loads more.

It is a cracking good little bit of technology. http://amzn.to/1t5mAKf

If money was no object. I would fit the deadlocks again, and get a @eddievanbitz alarm system with remote immobiliser and one of his effing loud alarms.

A combination of deadlocks, tracker and alarm and I think you are set.

 

[MattR]

Based on computer security, I long ago came to the conclusion that nothing is 100% secure. You always have to balance security against convenience.
The only secure computer is one in a sealed steal box with no keyboard/mouse or other io ports and not connected to the internet and even that only goes so far.

The same applies to vans. If they are determined to have it away they will do so no matter what steps you take. So you have to balance what makes it harder for them without making it too inconvenient for you. As I do with servers, I wanted security in multiple layers so it requires the thief to breach multiple layers of defence to get away with my van.

None of this is much help to you @bigfoot and you do have my deepest sympathies, I can imagine it must be heartbreaking

On my van my first steps were physical. I fitted good quality deadlocks to all the doors on my van. You can even see the cockups I made
https://www.fulltiming.info/self-build-motorhome/fitting-deadlocks

Thieves wouldn't waste time trying to pick these to get into my van. It would make it unsaleable as it stood. Thieves like a quick way to escape and the only way into my van due to these is to smash a window and climb in. If they got disturbed they would have to climb back out, not exactly a fast exit.

I haven't fitted any further security on this van other than a safe as I didn't expect to keep it this long. However my next van will be fitted with tracker, remote immobiliser alarm system which I bought off Amazon for £18 (now £20). Don't let the price fool you.
It is a tracker, it allows you to remotely disable the vehicle. GPS Fence. SMS remote control, remote mic monitoring plus loads and loads more.

It is a cracking good little bit of technology. http://amzn.to/1t5mAKf

If money was no object. I would fit the deadlocks again, and get a @eddievanbitz alarm system with remote immobiliser and one of his effing loud alarms.

A combination of deadlocks, tracker and alarm and I think you are set.

Just ordered one - thanks.

 

[alfandM]

Sorry to read this is hope you have a Very happy ending.

 

[laird of Dunstan]

hope it all ends well for you @bigfoot , im a bit miffed about how easy it is to pick one of those cylindrical locks ,i had additional locks fitted on my MH and they have the same type of key slots that the one in the video has ,could have saved myself a few quid.

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[MC 55 FUN]

Got back from Folk Festival Late last night locked van between 1am and 7am,some bastard has nicked it!!!!
Ita's a silver Hymer Exsis Reg PN10ESU

Have the Police found it yet via the tracker ?

 

[jonandshell]

No doubt professionally fitted alarms / immobilisers / etc are best for prevention & deterrence of theft & of course a decent tracker can assist in locating the vehicle once it's gone.

As I've stated on here before simply pulling the OBD port fuse & physically moving the OBD port can be a very effective free D.I.Y. method of preventing the vehicle being started by unauthorised access to the OBD port, as it takes lot's of time to overcome & one thing these thieving scumbags generally don't have is the time.

We use the above methodology & Diskloks & clutch locks on our cars & the MH.

It also does the interior light on a Transit so a degree of rewiring is required if you simply pull the fuse.

 

[Deneb]

Sorry that Ford vehicles have this issue but pleased that the Merc is a little safer from being driven away. Getting inside it though, that is a different matter, although I have taken a number of precautions that I hope will deter a scrote.

Different technique used for Sprinters, which involves the thief replacing a few components on the vehicle with those from a "donor" vehicle. I won't go into details but if you look up Sprinters on various van security websites you'll find anti-theft equipment for sale designed to prevent or at least delay the method. Sprinters are still fairly high up the list of most stolen light commercial vehicles.

 

[MattR]

Different technique used for Sprinters, which involves the thief replacing a few components on the vehicle with those from a "donor" vehicle. I won't go into details but if you look up Sprinters on various van security websites you'll find anti-theft equipment for sale designed to prevent or at least delay the method. Sprinters are still fairly high up the list of most stolen light commercial vehicles.

Thanks for this. I wasn't aware of the donor vehicle technique.

 

[billy&val]

very sorry for you even if you get it back you wont feel the same about the van if only these low down scum bags could know how something like this can make you feel

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