Wrong tax band

Drew

Drew

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Having decided to SORN our, new to us motorhome, which we have yet to play in ?, I did a bit of research into whether it was worth it. Many seemed to think at £20 a month it may not be, which got me wondering because I paid £555 for a years VED, £46 a month. Having searched through the DVLC pages I eventually found that I have been taxed as a car producing 229g/km, although the V5 clearly states Motor Caravan and the vehicle category is M1.
I guess this was an error when the vehicle was first registered that hasn't been rectified. Has anyone else come across this issue and if so how did you resolve it? or did you manage to resolve it? I doubt I'll get anywhere at the moment but I'm not happy to pay over twice what I should be paying when I come to re tax it.
 
This was a new tax on mh which was changed back in the budget.
I assume yours is very new?
Lots of info online about it.
 
If the emissions were stated when registered on the v55 DVLA they charge the car rate of VED. You are very unlikely to get them to change it. There have been a few cases of this happening over the last couple of years since they brought in the higher rates.
Motorhome class is M1 SP, M1 is a passenger carrying car.
 
Does your V5 show a CO2 figure? With it showing M1 for a passenger car it would be usual to have the g/km figure in section V.7
 
Theonlysue said:
This was a new tax on mh which was changed back in the budget.
I assume yours is very new?
Lots of info online about it.
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Registered Jan 2015 so not that new ?

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Drew said:
Yes it does.
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What make and type of motorhome is it? Some motorhomes, such as the VW Campers, came off a production line with CO2 figures showing on the Certificate of Conformity (CoC) and have been treated the same as cars for the last few years. What is shown on your CoC?
 
Pausim said:
What make and type of motorhome is it? Some motorhomes, such as the VW Campers, came off a production line with CO2 figures showing on the Certificate of Conformity (CoC) and have been treated the same as cars for the last few years. What is shown on your CoC?
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It shows 'A Class' on the Op's avatar.
 
Emmit said:
It shows 'A Class' on the Op's avatar.
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As he has only just changed motorhomes I wondered if that had yet to be updated. A 2015 A Class would not normally show M1 or CO2 figures on the V5, hence my line of enquiry.
 
Looking at My V5. (2009) which does show Co2 in Section V7, and working with your figures. My opinion is that registered before 2017. it should be a figure of (band J TC48) £300-00.?

Edit:- Mine is of course over 3.5t, as a PHGV.

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Pausim said:
What make and type of motorhome is it? Some motorhomes, such as the VW Campers, came off a production line with CO2 figures showing on the Certificate of Conformity (CoC) and have been treated the same as cars for the last few years. What is shown on your CoC?
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It's a Moto Trek Excite on a Peugot Boxer base vehicle. The V5 states it's a motor caravan but the taxation class says Diesel car. Vehicle classification is M1, the co is given as 229g/km. Its MOT'd as M1, don't know if that makes any difference ?.
I'm a bit confused as it is clearly a motorhome, so why is it taxed as a car?
Simple solution, if they won't change it, is I'll sorn it everytime I'm not going to use it, they can just keep sending me a cheque, then I'll tax it as I use it.
It'll be a pain for them and me.......
 
I guess if the manufacturer supplied a CO2 figure on the CoC the DVLA are going to use it when they register the vehicle. Not sure where they got it from, until recently most motorhome manufacturers claimed they did not have sufficient information to give it.
 
It can only be the base vehicle CO2 figure which is not valid on a final conversion. Moto Trek are a very small converter so I wonder if it was built on a pre-registered chassis.
 
Lenny HB said:
It can only be the base vehicle CO2 figure which is not valid on a final conversion. Moto Trek are a very small converter so I wonder if it was built on a pre-registered chassis.
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That would explain it.

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Just thinking outside the box without doing any real research - if you make any modifications to a vehicle that affect the V5 I understand you advise/make the alterations and submit the V5 to the DVLA for amendment.
Would deleting the CO figure and amending the class work I wonder?
 
I've just been quoted £800 plus VAT for a copy of the CoC ??. Not doing that.....
 
How Much?
Even Hymer only charge 200 Euro, you should have had one with the van.
 
Drew said:
I've just been quoted £800 plus VAT for a copy of the CoC ??. Not doing that.....
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That is outrageous, who quoted that figure?

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Lenny HB said:
How Much?
Even Hymer only charge 200 Euro, you should have had one with the van.
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Second hand van, didn't come with one. I guess it was lost or misplaced by a previous owner.
 
Pausim said:
£800 for a copy of a document that should have been supplied with the vehicle and which they have on file. That is one company I shall never do any business with.
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The response to my questioning £800 was
"Standard industry rates I am afraid.
Best I can do is £400 plus VAT as a gesture of goodwill?"
?

Not going there either.
 
I imagine the DVLA scan the CoC when they register the vehicle. I have my doubts that they would release the data or send you a copy but there is no harm in asking. If you ask saying you are wondering if there has been a mistake on the V5 it is possible they will want to prove that they have processed it correctly.

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Not sure what to make of this response
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Moto-Trek is not responsible for errors made by the DVLA. As we do not receive the first owners Log book, neither are we aware of any mistakes that might be made.
I think I have made you a generous reduction in the cost of the duplicate.
If you have other options, please feel free to pursue them.
Kind regards
Rachel"
 
the original dealer had put down a emissions class with a makers figure, this was changed within the DVLC and a letter sent to all dealers telling them to not fill out the emissions box. One member had a bill of over £700 a year if I remember correctly and was stuck with it for so many years after. They would not correct it as once classified it stayed where it was. Try an upgrade to PHGV if it can be done as that seems the only way out, the van would be almost impossible to sell either as nobody would want to tak the road tax on when everybody else is normal rate.
 
Drew said:
Not sure what to make of this response
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Moto-Trek is not responsible for errors made by the DVLA. As we do not receive the first owners Log book, neither are we aware of any mistakes that might be made.
I think I have made you a generous reduction in the cost of the duplicate.
If you have other options, please feel free to pursue them.
Kind regards
Rachel"
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Taking the prevebale, the error would have been make by whoever registered the vehicle or by Moto-Trek.
If Moto-Trek put the CO2 figure on the final CofC this would cause the problem, could be the reason for quoting silly price for a bit of paper to put you off.
Unfortunately DVLA are not known for reversing their decisions.
 
Drew said:
Not sure what to make of this response
"
Moto-Trek is not responsible for errors made by the DVLA. As we do not receive the first owners Log book, neither are we aware of any mistakes that might be made.
I think I have made you a generous reduction in the cost of the duplicate.
If you have other options, please feel free to pursue them.
Kind regards
Rachel"
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So is it a van that had been registered with DVLA before being converted by MotoTrek?

If so, it would not have been exempt from the requirement to show a CO2 figure at the time of first registration and would have been assigned to an emissions rated Diesel Car tax band accordingly.

Even if subsequently converted to a motorhome, the original tax class cannot be changed as it will always be based on the CO2 figure supplied at first registration.
 
The Moto Trek response suggests that they convert second hand chassis. If so that doesn’t make it a DVLA mistake but brings into question their purchasing and construction procedures.

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