Would you smoke a spliff before driving your Motorhome ??

I think what he is proposing is a good idea. Only thing is they can't let the decriminalization of it cloud out the message that it can seriously effect your mental health, especially in young people.
 
Whilst it may reduce the number of crimes associated with the need to purchase these drugs on the street ,the cost has to be low enough to prevent the dealers getting in on the act and take them out of business.
It still would not allow anyone to drive with an overlimit ( otherwise legalised) drug in their system
 
monzer said:
I think what he is proposing is a good idea. Only thing is they can't let the decriminalization of it cloud out the message that it can seriously effect your mental health, especially in young people.
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And dangerous if driving.

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Never mind driving your MH where you risk police stopping you. How about the guy who comes to service your gas boiler / fire, carbon monoxide takes no prisoners.
 
If available legally then drug dealers will switch to different drugs , a backward downward step leading to more young people getting on the drugs ladder.
We already have enough problems with alcohol and smoking why add more .
 
The decriminalisation of something in no way changes personal responsibility to adhere to law, reasonable behaviour and acceptable societal requirements.

Intoxication takes many forms and is perceived very differently by different demographics in our country. The youth seem very happy with wacky baccie, the older demographic with largely an alcohol based approach. I judge neither group!
 
Personally i'm against the idea of legalising the possession of even small quantities, anything that normalises or takes away the stigma of using drugs of any kind is not good in my opinion. Having personal experience of seeing what the long term use of Cannabis has done to friends and family, Cannabis can lead onto harder drugs, being a musician i have been around drugs for a large part of my life and have been greatly saddened by what they have done to some very talented people that i have known and we are all aware of people like Amy Winehouse, Jimmy Hendrix etc. That have died because of them. Just my opinion.
 
I wouldn’t smoke anything let alone a spliff. That’s not to say I didn’t once upon a time, but it was pre camper van days.
I had an ex brother in law, now deceased, who was a bus driver and he smoked pot all the time even when driving the bus, true. He said it made him more aware. To be fair he never had an accident. Yes you could smoke on the bus in those days as well.
Phil
 
The Police can do a roadside test to determine if it is likely someone is over the limit with alcohol in their blood. Is there a similar roadside test for other drugs? If not it would be difficult to enforce any laws allowing 'some' use of drugs. What would be the limit?
 
Yes there is a drug swipe test,on the police TV programmes ,it's been available for a while. Looks to be a little like the LFT covid tests ,sample of saliva taken ,inserted into the test strip and 8 mins later shows a result, something like 1 bar for excess cannabis and 2 bars if it's cocaine. Then a more definite blood test taken at the police station. (y)

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68c said:
The Police can do a roadside test to determine if it is likely someone is over the limit with alcohol in their blood. Is there a similar roadside test for other drugs? If not it would be difficult to enforce any laws allowing 'some' use of drugs. What would be the limit?
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Yes. Since 2015.
 
ChrisL said:
Personally i'm against the idea of legalising the possession of even small quantities, anything that normalises or takes away the stigma of using drugs of any kind is not good in my opinion. Having personal experience of seeing what the long term use of Cannabis has done to friends and family, Cannabis can lead onto harder drugs, being a musician i have been around drugs for a large part of my life and have been greatly saddened by what they have done to some very talented people that i have known and we are all aware of people like Amy Winehouse, Jimmy Hendrix etc. That have died because of them. Just my opinion.
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Agreeing with most of what you say, but in actual fact most of the famous musicians who died early were from liquor rather than drugs. Eg Amy;

At the height of her fame, tragically, Amy was found dead at her flat in Camden on July 23, 2011. A second inquest into the death of the singer confirmed that she died of alcohol poisoning after binge drinking following a period of abstinence.
 
jockaneezer said:
What's the point of de-criminalising possession if you still have to buy it from criminals ?
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Agree,,should be available from high Street chemists..The amount of money spent on drug enforcement world wide is astronomical and is having no effect whatsoever..Look at prohibition in the USA,,,all it achieved was making many gangsters millionairs..The only way to reduce drug taking is education...It had worked with tobacco.. BUSBY.

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I have to say, a load of stoned yoofs are much more chilled out than a group of alcohol infused yoof… Alcohol is and always will be a significant drain on our societies resources.

As the old saying goes, alcohol is a great servant but a poor master!
 
Sandancers said:
Agreeing with most of what you say, but in actual fact most of the famous musicians who died early were from liquor rather than drugs. Eg Amy;

At the height of her fame, tragically, Amy was found dead at her flat in Camden on July 23, 2011. A second inquest into the death of the singer confirmed that she died of alcohol poisoning after binge drinking following a period of abstinence.
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Certainly in Amy's case that is true, but the reason she turned to alcohol was because she was trying to come off the drugs and turned to alcohol instead, she then tried to come off the alcohol and had been sober for a while before relapsing and going on the binge that killed her. When you look at her early appearances on the Jules Holland show and compare that to how she was at the end, it's absolutely heart breaking and the tragedy is there must be so many young people out there that we never get to hear about that end up the same. I don't know what the answer is but I don't think normalising drugs will help.
 
ChrisL said:
Personally i'm against the idea of legalising the possession of even small quantities, anything that normalises or takes away the stigma of using drugs of any kind is not good in my opinion. Having personal experience of seeing what the long term use of Cannabis has done to friends and family, Cannabis can lead onto harder drugs, being a musician i have been around drugs for a large part of my life and have been greatly saddened by what they have done to some very talented people that i have known and we are all aware of people like Amy Winehouse, Jimmy Hendrix etc. That have died because of them. Just my opinion.
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And all those people died when drugs were illegal!
Cannabis does not necessarily lead to addiction and hard drugs, some people would, just as some become alcoholics.
Should responsible drug users be penalised because a few cannot control their needs?
I have smoked and grown weed on and off for over 50 years, I have not become addicted to anything and stopped using when I could no longer grow my own, I had no problems stopping, just as I can refrain from alcohol when I want to.
 
Yorick said:
It's legal here. Got 2 plants growing.
Not tried it for 30 years, but gonna try a bit for fun.
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The three abiding memories I have of smoking pot is ---

It makes for amazing sex sessions. :clap2:

It makes it impossible to drive at more than 30 MPH :Eeek:

You never go looking for a fight -- ---- Only Pizza !! :Eeek:
 
The Wino said:
So is driving when you're tired so how do you police that make it illegal not to sleep?
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Whilst not an offence as such but.....

Is it against the law to drive while tired?​

There isn't a specific offence of driving when tired but doing so significantly increases the chance of you committing other offences or causing a collision. The penalty for causing death by dangerous driving is up to 14 years imprisonment.

And from HM Gov:

Excessive sleepiness and driving​

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ChrisL said:
Certainly in Amy's case that is true, but the reason she turned to alcohol was because she was trying to come off the drugs and turned to alcohol instead, she then tried to come off the alcohol and had been sober for a while before relapsing and going on the binge that killed her. When you look at her early appearances on the Jules Holland show and compare that to how she was at the end, it's absolutely heart breaking and the tragedy is there must be so many young people out there that we never get to hear about that end up the same. I don't know what the answer is but I don't think normalising drugs will help.
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UK last 2020 death figures for drugs (all types) 4,561 - population 68 million
Holland 2019 death figures for drugs (all types) 252 - population 17 million

Holland being a quarter of the size of UK only gets a quarter of the pro rata deaths caused by drugs.
I would suggest that is quite an argument so suggest that legalising it will prevent deaths of misuse and this does not take into effect the extra deaths caused by criminals, or the extra crime they commit.
 
Perhaps a couple of things worthy of note: de-criminalizing is not the same as making it legal! It just alters the tool for enforcement, same as parking!
Despite the headline Mr Khan is unable to change the legislation that governs the Misuse of Drugs Act.
References above have been made to the Netherlands, they have been closing 'coffee shops' for years, it is still against the law to supply the drugs they just choose to 'tolerate' possession of small amountsfor personal consumption and with an age restriction.
The decriminalization of cannabis in Colorado was well documented, perhaps cunningly concentrating on the wonderful reduction in policing costs at the expense of the increased load placed upon their health services! If you were to be super cynical you could suggest that in the Colorado experiment it moved the finacial burden from policing (public purse) to health services (insured risk).
They have been known as dangerous drugs for a reason.
The prevalence of drug driving offences is indicative of the lack of knowledge around the level of intoxication and its duration.
 
Making all drugs legal would be the beginning of a nightmare for this country. Re cannabis, people say you can’t tell if a person uses on a regular basis. I can and I’ve seen the consequences on a couple of close friends.

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