"Winter" tyres?

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All four wheels or just the front?

I saw a moho yesterday parked up and as I walked by I quick look. As you do... Fiat Ducato based.

The fronts were Michelin CrossClimate CP but the rears were Agilis.

Is that okay? I guess the CrossClimates were on the driving wheels?
 
It's a wing and a prayer job for them.....for winter / all season tyres, they work far better than 'summer tyres' when the temperature is below 7c

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tacr2man said:
www.michelin.co.uk

Can you mix different tyres? | MICHELIN

Can you mix tyres of different seasons, different brands, different wear on the same axle, or front and rear? The answers in this article.
www.michelin.co.uk www.michelin.co.uk

They say no :)
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Actually they say not recommended but look at their reasoning: more likely to get oversteer in certain situations. Typical manufacturer trying to increase their sales: how many motorhomes are driven in a manner likely to induce spins?

Gordon
 
tacr2man said:
www.michelin.co.uk

Can you mix different tyres? | MICHELIN

Can you mix tyres of different seasons, different brands, different wear on the same axle, or front and rear? The answers in this article.
www.michelin.co.uk www.michelin.co.uk

They say no :)
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Bibendum doesn't say NO

Articles lists a number of scenarios, and finishes with
"It is therefore not recommended to fit different season tyres at the front and rear, but if this is the case, it is preferable
to fit summer tyres at the front and 4-season or winter tyres at the rear."
So according to Bibendum recommendation, they should be the other way round front/rear.
 
When we changed (all 4 of) ours to CrossClimates, the Kwik Fit fitter told us because they're classed as all season rather than winter tyres we didn't need to change all four and could have just changed 2 of them.
 
the most grip goes on the rear. That way you have controllable under steer,Other way around you lose the back end & the van.
 
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gus-lopez said:
the most grip goes on the rear. That way you have controllable under steer,Other way around you lose the back end & the van.
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Yes that is what the experts in the business say and will abide by it for insurance purposes. However I still reckon that the front tyres clear the water for the rears to run in so for the most part (excepting a very tight turn) the rears are running in drier track than the rears. So on my logic the deeper tread should be on the front to clear the water for the rears!:unsure:

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DangerMousy said:
the Kwik Fit fitter told us because they're classed as all season rather than winter tyres
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If the 3 Peaks and Snowflake symbol (that is mandated for winter use in certain regions of Europe) doesn’t indicate that its a winter tyre then what does?

Ian
 
If all wheels have to match why do you only carry chains for the driving wheels?
 
bigtwin said:
If the 3 Peaks and Snowflake symbol (that is mandated for winter use in certain regions of Europe) doesn’t indicate that its a winter tyre then what does?

Ian
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The Crossclimate is an "All Season" tyre that conforms to Snow Service Requirements and so can be marked with
3PMSF marking, and so used when Winter Tyres are mandated, it is not a "Winter Tyre", but can be used as one.
 
bigtwin said:
If the 3 Peaks and Snowflake symbol (that is mandated for winter use in certain regions of Europe) doesn’t indicate that its a winter tyre then what does?

Ian
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Michelin describe Cross Climates as all season rather than winter, but if they meet the legal requirements for winter then I guess that's why they're allowed to show the 3 peaks/snowflake symbols.

This seems to explain the difference between the different types: https://www.michelin.co.uk/auto/advice/choose-tyres/summer-winter-all-season-tyres
 
DangerMousy said:
This seems to explain the difference between the different types: https://www.michelin.co.uk/auto/advice/choose-tyres/summer-winter-all-season-tyres
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It’s a very ‘wordy’ definition of each that doesn’t contain any reference to 3PSF so doesn’t, IMV, clarify matters.

The ONLY definitive, and, more importantly, cross-manufacturer, indicator of a specific winter qualification is the 3PSF symbol. There is no other marking to denote any other type of tyre.

Therefore, an All Season tyre that is 3PSF marked can be considered as a Winter tyre and any tyre (be they marketed as All Season, or otherwise) without this marking cannot, (even if marked M+S).

Ian

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Jez1966 said:
Bibendum doesn't say NO

Articles lists a number of scenarios, and finishes with
"It is therefore not recommended to fit different season tyres at the front and rear, but if this is the case, it is preferable
to fit summer tyres at the front and 4-season or winter tyres at the rear."
So according to Bibendum recommendation, they should be the other way round front/rear.
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Thank you for correcting my inaccuracy ,missed the "t recommended" off the end , I did however link to the full text that the op and any other interested party would be able to read and form his own opinion :)
 
dunnah01 said:
M&S all round so works for me
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Not acceptable as a winter tyre without the 3 peak symbol.

If they are Michelin CP tyres they have no grip on dry roads I've never come across tyres with such poor grip, unbelievable they get away with marking them M&S.
 
Lenny HB said:
Not acceptable as a winter tyre without the 3 peak symbol.

If they are Michelin CP tyres they have no grip on dry roads I've never come across tyres with such poor grip, unbelievable they get away with marking them M&S.
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Agree that they're not winter tyres and grip is below average but they do the job unless you want to get around some tight uphill hairpins in a Comfortmatic and then they don't work (ask me how I know 😂)
 
OK real world experience although on a car rather than van.
A number of years ago we ordered a set of winter tyres with wheels for Mrs G s car. (we always run on winters November to March by choice).
Two came a few days before the others. As there was snow on the ground I fitted them to the front on a fwd car. It was not a pleasant experience. The rear wants to come around very easily indeed.
Roundabouts, stopping at junctions etc were all interesting at best.
Lots of stuff on You tube.
 
If only folks could be persuaded to fit winter tyres in the same way that every man and his dog (slight exaggeration) has jumped on the Bluetti (other brands included) solar generation (what a misnomer that is!) battery box/power banks the world would be a better educated, and safer, place.

Ian
 
Rapido925M said:
Actually they say not recommended but look at their reasoning: more likely to get oversteer in certain situations. Typical manufacturer trying to increase their sales: how many motorhomes are driven in a manner likely to induce spins?

Gordon
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On our recent winter trip, southbound just after crossing into Spain we encountered what can only be called freezing rain. There had already been an accident on the other carriageway so I was going quite slowly when the car about 100m in front of me "lost it" totally, from one side of the carriageway to the other, bouncing off both barriers and spinning slowly in front of me, leaving me to guess how I was going to get past him. Didn't help we were going downhill at the time.

Fortunately, having full winter tyres, I was able to stay in control and steer round him, as did our fellow travellers just behind us, and leave the itinerant buried in the crash barrier - no way was I attempting to stop and help but it all happened at slow speed so I'm sure no injuries occurred. I'm pretty sure with only winter tyres on the front I'd have been looking at a different result.

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Whatever did we do 40yrs ago, driving up snow covered mountains with coach loads of punters on ski trips before winter tyres, traction control and ABS were invented? 😱😱
 
Lenny HB said:
Panic :rofl:
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Sometimes, as the rear started spinning towards the steep drop side of the road (without barriers) 😄

It was worse coming down, everyone could see the 600ft drop! 😱
 

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