VED and collection of new vehicle on Monday 16th March

[allanmu]

We are due to collect a new camper ( fully type approved) on Monday. We agreed the on-the-road price about a month ago. Given the Chancellors reduction in VED on motorhomes back down to van rates w.e.f yesterday, I assumed my purchase price would reduce accordingly. Dealer did not show VED on my final invoice and is not planning on passing on any reduction to me. They are claiming that my camper (Wildax Triton) would always have been only £265 p.a plus the registration fee. Could this really be the case? I don't want to name the dealer until I am sure I have all the facts in case I am wrong. If it turns out the dealer is keeping additional profit at my expense I will certainly name them and take the matter further.
Thanks.

 

[David and Sally]

I don't think the new VED applied to all vans. Depends on emissions I think. Experts will be along soon.

 

[pappajohn]

Also depends on the manufacture date of the vehicle I believe.

 

[Yorkshire Puds]

Our VED was itemised on our original invoice at £2195 along with the individual extras and upgrades. I presume this is normal practice.

 

[Robert Clark]

I guess it also depends then the vehicle was actually registered
The V5 should show this

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[Yorkshire Puds]

You’re right RC. It came in to force for vehicles registered from Sept 2019 I think. If the dealer registered it before then it would be a 2019 and not 2020 model so old VED.

what reg / year is it allenmu?

 

[allanmu]

You’re right RC. It came in to force for vehicles registered from Sept 2019 I think. If the dealer registered it before then it would be a 2019 and not 2020 model so old VED.

what reg / year is it allenmu?

Base vehicle was manufactured back in mid 2018, but is being registered for 1st time (new 20 plate) next Monday 16th March 2020.

 

[Minxy]

It depends on when the dealer registered it, if it was before 12th March its the old expensive rate, if afterwards the lower rate, but I suspect if you had already agreed it a month ago and are due to collect it on Monday it was already registered by 12th March so the high rate was payable.

Adendum: we were both posting at the same time! If it hasn't been registered it should be at the new lower rate assuming it hasn't got the emissions on the COC which may mean the dealer HAS to put it on the registration docs.

As you agreed the 'on the road price' which will includes registration, road tax etc then as the road tax has now been reduced there should be a reduction in the 'on the road' price otherwise AFAIK they are in breach of your agreement to purchase it and are trying to scam you. I don't think Trading Standards would look too kindly on them!

 

[Lenny HB]

Base vehicle was manufactured back in mid 2018, but is being registered for 1st time (new 20 plate) next Monday 16th March 2020.

If base vehicle was build in 2018 it won't be Euro 6d so the dealer is right.

 

[allanmu]

If base vehicle was build in 2018 it won't be Euro 6d so the dealer is right.

Thanks for reply, but I thought Euro 6d -temp applies to type approval post September 2017 and registration post September 2019. My vehicle meets both these criteria.

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[lorger]

I don’t think it matters when it was registered, I think it’s when it was manufactured. We’re collecting a new 2020 van in April that will be registered in April and it was always the lower price. The van was manufactured last year before September

 

[Minxy]

Base vehicle was manufactured back in mid 2018, but is being registered for 1st time (new 20 plate) next Monday 16th March 2020.

If it isn't Euro 6d it shouldn't have got 'caught' by the extortionate road-tax rate/luxury car tax anyway in which case the dealer may have got it right originally. If they included the more expensive rate they would have been mistaken in the first place. You really need to know what was included when you agreed to buy it.

 

[pappajohn]

If Karl Benz knew the trouble he would eventually cause he would have concentrated on growing blue carrots instead of making the first automobile.

 

[maison]

We bought our latest motorhome, new, in November 2019.

Fitted with the Euro 6, not the 6d, we paid the lower rate VED .

 

[Minxy]

We bought our latest motorhome, new, in November 2019.

Fitted with the Euro 6, not the 6d, we paid the lower rate VED .

We got ours in October with a Euro 6b engine, paid £165 VED and I think the registration fee was £85.

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[steve the chip]

I am a bit confused??
we went to the show this Feb at the NEC, ordered our new Motorhome, paid a deposit and we take delivery this September.
The cost was the “on the road price” we haven’t had a breakdown of costs yet as we are discussing the extra bits we want.
The deposit sheet just gives the balance we are to pay in sept on collection ( plus our proposed extras to be costed)
Before asking the dealer whether the VED is included or going to be removed ,I would like to know so I am confident when I speak to them about it.

 

[2x2camper]

Surely if it's an on the road price the VED is irrelevant. If it had gone up you wouldn't expect the dealer to ask you to cough up the difference.

 

[Minxy]

I am a bit confused??
we went to the show this Feb at the NEC, ordered our new Motorhome, paid a deposit and we take delivery this September.
The cost was the “on the road price” we haven’t had a breakdown of costs yet as we are discussing the extra bits we want.
The deposit sheet just gives the balance we are to pay in sept on collection ( plus our proposed extras to be costed)
Before asking the dealer whether the VED is included or going to be removed ,I would like to know so I am confident when I speak to them about it.

As it'll be a new Euro 6d engine they will likely have included the higher rate which was in anticipated as being the rate at the time so you should be due a reduction.

 

[Minxy]

Surely if it's an on the road price the VED is irrelevant. If it had gone up you wouldn't expect the dealer to ask you to cough up the difference.

The amounts are quite different though, in the past the difference would only have been £10-£15 but we are talking of thousands now.

 

[2x2camper]

The amounts are quite different though, in the past the difference would only have been £10-£15 but we are talking of thousands now.

So the fact the dealer was smart should mean that they give away their winnings

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[allanmu]

Surely if it's an on the road price the VED is irrelevant. If it had gone up you wouldn't expect the dealer to ask you to cough up the differenc

Surely if it's an on the road price the VED is irrelevant. If it had gone up you wouldn't expect the dealer to ask you to cough up the difference.

Errrr, I'm pretty sure that if the difference was significant most dealers would pass on the increase, and I wouldn't have a problem with that.

 

[2x2camper]

Errrr, I'm pretty sure that if the difference was significant most dealers would pass on the increase, and I wouldn't have a problem with that.

So why do you think they should give you the difference when it's the other way?

 

[Minxy]

So why do you think they should give you the difference when it's the other way?

Eh? It wouldn't be any different ... if the MH suddenly cost a lot more they'd expect the buyer to pay it I'm sure, so no difference that I can see between the 2 scenarios.

It could be classed as 'theft' as they'd be charging significantly more for something (road tax) than it actually costs.

 

[pappajohn]

So why do you think they should give you the difference when it's the other way?

You either misunderstood what Allanmu said or what you said made no sense..
If the VED was £265 at time of order but the cost increased by £2000 the dealer would demand you pay the increase.
If the case was reversed and the cost reduced by £2000 you would expect the dealer to reciprocate and refund the decrease.

 

[Scotch mist]

You agreed a price for on the road & that hasn't changed , pay for it & enjoy your new motorhome

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[Minxy]

You agreed a price for on the road & that hasn't changed , pay for it & enjoy your new motorhome

But the price included a set amount for registration and road tax which is nothing to do with the 'profit' the dealer makes therefore they are not entitled to keep it.

 

[Minxy]

Scotch mist

To put it in context, you agree to have a new fridge fitted in your motorhome at a cost of £2,000, £1,700 being for the fridge and £300 labour. The supplier cuts the price of the fridge to £1,500 so the total cost has reduced to £1,800 ... should the fitter stay quiet and pocket the extra £200?

 

[2x2camper]

Scotch mist

To put it in context, you agree to have a new fridge fitted in your motorhome at a cost of £2,000, £1,700 being for the fridge and £300 labour. The supplier cuts the price of the fridge to £1,500 so the total cost has reduced to £1,800 ... should the fitter stay quiet and pocket the extra £200?

If the order just stated one price for the motorhome on the road I don't see that the dealer is obliged to give back any additional profit, assuming there is a profit. If the order separates out the various components of the deal ie van cost, ved, warranty etc then I would agree the buyer could ask to only pay the reduced amount.

 

[Scotch mist]

A contract for a fixed price is just that , Ive been in business a long time & had to bear the costs of price of increases , also managed to get materials cheaper than i first estimated,IMO the OP has no legal right to a rebate in the fixed contract price , he can speak to the dealer & see if they will reduce the price BUT they may have already swallowed the costs of VED as many did , I hope he manages to get a price reduction

 

[tony_g]

We are due to collect a new camper ( fully type approved) on Monday. We agreed the on-the-road price about a month ago. Given the Chancellors reduction in VED on motorhomes back down to van rates w.e.f yesterday, I assumed my purchase price would reduce accordingly. Dealer did not show VED on my final invoice and is not planning on passing on any reduction to me. They are claiming that my camper (Wildax Triton) would always have been only £265 p.a plus the registration fee. Could this really be the case? I don't want to name the dealer until I am sure I have all the facts in case I am wrong. If it turns out the dealer is keeping additional profit at my expense I will certainly name them and take the matter further.
Thanks.

I'm a bit confused here. £265 looks like much lower than the vastly inflated charges associated with the changed regulations everybody has been campaigning against.
Prior to the emission/purchase price based higher rates, what would the annual VED for this van been?
I understood that the numbers were in the thousands. Has the OP misunderstood something?
I purchased a new van in Jan 2018 for in excess of £60k and was warned that I should expect the "luxury car" loading plus the hit for declaring high CO2. As it turned out, the van was registered as a motorhome (or whatever), no emissions are on the V05c and basic PLG rates applied. Result, jolly good! Without checking, £265 seems to be the figure.

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