Trailer registration coming to the UK
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Yes but there is no specified distance to reverse or steer although we all know it is limited.
pappajohn
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Yep......daft as it sounds there's no law saying you can't do that providing you are in control of the trailers direction.
It's to be hoped that example has electronic/electric braking as it has no over-run hitch.
vwalan
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and let us hope you can reverse vehicles . after all you did drive trucks .
nice driving trucks . saves doing a hard job . hee hee .
driving round all day looking at the scenery, not so god at night .
i loved the job . often think i should have been doing it before i did .
i did drive 7.5 tonners as a teenager but didnt take my hgv till being in my 30,s .
keep on having a good drive out never know whats round the next bend , hopefully a nice view.
Get the toad registered as a car and a trailer and at the same time register your motorhome as the same. When you need to reverse the outfit, jump out of the van and into the toad and pull the van backwards, it's obvious really.
What i don't understand is why you need a toad with a van that small its hardly going to give you better access . It would be whole different ball game behind a lot longer tow vehicle.
pappajohn
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Its not the size, its the convenience.What i don't understand is why you need a toad with a van that small its hardly going to give you better access . It would be whole different ball game behind a lot longer tow vehicle.
Some folks pitch up and before you know it have their own private compound with wind breaks, artificial grass, bbq, pot plants in abundance and their own swimming pool....well they would if they could.
Can you imagine putting all that away just to go shopping.
Ivory55
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Also I imagine it saves the van sides getting beaten up by car doors at the supermarket, and finding a bay that is easy to get in and out of.
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Yes but the 20 tonne loads didn't used to unload themselves,,,,I know its all pallets and fork lifts now but back in 60s and 70s it was all handball,,,mind you i was fit slim and as strong as an ox back then,,,BUSBY,,
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Push bikes for us,,Van never goes of site until we depart,,,BUSBY,,What i don't understand is why you need a toad with a van that small its hardly going to give you better access . It would be whole different ball game behind a lot longer tow vehicle.
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i was unloading quarters of meat back then . or what ever . frozen chicken and new zealand lamb . the bifg freezers in the place i worked took some keeping full. we supplied most of the hotels in cornwall. go out on the trucks was ideal to meet the hotel folk etc .
used to go out with my dad in the 60,s delivering pop. he worked for cantrell &cochrane at the time . again got to know loads of hotels etc yes all by hand ball unloading . but then the places you delivered also hand balled so it was normal.
i liked driving milk tankers or sewage tankers . cant unload them by hand .
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We used to deliver Breedon Golden Drive stone to the Isle of Wight on 40 foot flats with a sheet over it and shovel it off,,,never got any help but no back loads for tippers from down there but plenty for flats,,,Would take me a couple of days now to shovel 20 ton off,,,BUSBY,,
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As most of you go into Europe, just check out ALL their “trailers”, (anything pulled/towed by another vehicle) they all have their own registration docs and number plates, “when in Rome, (you must) do as the Romans do”
filopastry
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Yep !! and no more building your own trailers from caravan chassis, been illegal here in France for a long while and soon will be in the UK. The reality is that after Brexit if the UK do not have equal or better rules than the rest of Europe with paperwork to match then you will arrive at the first border and probably be refused entry. Argue as you may with the policing authority of that country into which you wish to bimble but I recon you get short shift or a ticket or a fine or impounded or maybe even all of them. Not cricket, not fair, against what ever convention you wish to quote, the only thing you will succeed in doing on the day is entrenching the views of the chappie with the gun standing in front of you. No-one will be forcing you to bring a trailer over the water, it is your choice and as you choose to take that choice, you will have to accept whatever the rules of the country into which you drive.
KiwiGT
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This registration is common in other countries. In New Zealand all trailers are registered , have their own number plate, and require regular “MOT” checks called a warrant of fitness “WOF”. This means the trailers are safe to operate and can be towed behind different vehicles as they have their own plate. They have an annual registration fee (tax). It’s a very good scheme and simple to operate and of course public safety is the real reason
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Gellyneck
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Should that be "can"???
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Caravans and trailer tents are trailers so will be included
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Yes
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Been there done that I had a caravan.
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Registration won't bother me, it has a VIN TIN plate (trailer identification number plate) and an EU certificate of conformity but any ongoing charges (trailer road tax) will piss me off.....there's no need for it and just the gov getting greedy.
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No tax on commercial trailers now,,BUSBY.
pappajohn
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I know, but just wait until ALL trailers and caravans have to be registered.
It's too big a revenue maker to be ignored.
filopastry
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They have to pay the Brexit bill somehow 
All trailers should be registered inc all the wobbeley box brigade so
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soreeyes
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Most will argue that their wobbly box has been stood in a field for 30 years not used so is perfectly good in a new condition and the cracks in the tyres give it character.
Lincolnshire Poacher
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Just an update from my friendly local A frame supplier (we got a Tow-bars 2 Tow-cars A frame from them and it's been great)
I asked them if they had any firm information re: the new trailer registration scheme and they showed me the reply they had got direct from Jesse Norman MP - (Chris Grayling Transport Minister's right hand Man)
In a nut shell it say's all trailers under 3.5 tonnes will be exempt from the new rules so - business as usual
I asked them if they had any firm information re: the new trailer registration scheme and they showed me the reply they had got direct from Jesse Norman MP - (Chris Grayling Transport Minister's right hand Man)
In a nut shell it say's all trailers under 3.5 tonnes will be exempt from the new rules so - business as usual
The Nomad
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That'll be entertaining then, the first time that anyone tries to take a small trailer into the European Union once the automatic right of British citizens to do so so as EU members expires, and the rules of the Vienna Convention have to be relied upon instead ....
As that Convention with which the UK is passing the trailer registration law to comply with specifically says that only registered trailers have the right to enter and circulate within VC member countries.
Not registered trailers of over "x" weight, but registered trailers. To comply with VC and enable access to all other VC agreement countries, your national registration system has to apply to ALL things designated as trailers.
I cannot see how that circle can squared by only having a UK national trailer registration system for some trailers .... It is only those that works be able to enter any other VC country.
The only possible way to work it would be to make registration of lighter weight trailers voluntary .... Ie necessary if you want to tow your trailer abroad but not required if used only used in the UK.
But even that would finally definitively outlaw car towing via a frame everywhere outside of the UK, as you couldn't voluntarily register your towed car as a "trailer" as patently it's already on the UK register as a car.
maxi77
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That I expect is what they hope will be accepted by the EU, now is that a red line item or one that is put in so it can be given away?
Lincolnshire Poacher
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The letter from the Transport Minister specifically states that "there are already separate provisions for vehicles being towed in legislation. This provides that these are not classified as trailers."
It goes on to say "More generally, the Government has no desire to place undue burden on trailer users and as such, there will be no change in the broader requirements for users of leisure trailers following the introduction of the scheme.
Taking that with my understanding of Vienna Convention 68 which states that if a product is deemed legal in its country of origin (which it is) then it must be allowed free passage in all other UN Member states (note UN mandate which pre-dates and over-rules any EC interpretation)
It goes on to say "More generally, the Government has no desire to place undue burden on trailer users and as such, there will be no change in the broader requirements for users of leisure trailers following the introduction of the scheme.
Taking that with my understanding of Vienna Convention 68 which states that if a product is deemed legal in its country of origin (which it is) then it must be allowed free passage in all other UN Member states (note UN mandate which pre-dates and over-rules any EC interpretation)
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