The Gassing continues

[mentaliss]

Some papers have picked up on the couple touring in France being gassed overnight so the robbers/ burglars could ransack their Motorhome whilst they slept under the influence of the Gas...The question here is, would an alarm device such as the renown 'Strikeback' system deter Gasser's??

 

[TheBig1]

As explained in the other threads currently running, A gas alarm that detects propane etc will be the safest thing to fit. anaesthetic gasses are not pumped into motorhomes to render the occupants unconscious, it is a myth

 

[Hollyberry]

I really can't see how anaesthetic gas would ever work in a motorhome. Big space, gas entering via whatever wouldn't have a sealed funnel to go through.
Has no one claiming to have been gassed ever noticed someone outside their vehicle, the noise of a hose being connected, etc... And just how much gas would these criminals have to carry with them? They then enter a gas filled vehicle wearing what? I don't think a flimsy surgical mask would stop them then breathing in the has. They'd need a full respiratory set. No one would ever notice that would they?
Has any victim of gassing ever been tested after the event? Most anaesthetic after surgery is excreted through the kidneys so logically a urine test the following day would show traces of anaesthetic.
I'm not sure how the Russians managed to kill so many people a few years ago. They were being held hostage in a cinema or a theatre. But then God knows what chemicals they have in their arsenal.

I'd go with you r regular gas leak alarm, a CO2 detector and a smoke alarm. You've got the full set then.

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[JJ]

A good way to avoid being gassed would be to have all the windows wide open.

To avoid damage to the motorhome as they climb through the windows, I suggest leaving your wallets, handbags, passports, electronic devices etc in full view and within an arm's reach of one of those windows.


JJ

 

[mentaliss]

As explained in the other threads currently running, A gas alarm that detects propane etc will be the safest thing to fit. anaesthetic gasses are not pumped into motorhomes to render the occupants unconscious, it is a myth

So the news papers are telling porkys then

 

[Tootles]

A good way to avoid being gassed would be to have all the windows wide open.

To avoid damage to the motorhome as they climb through the windows, I suggest leaving your wallets, handbags, passports, electronic devices etc in full view and within an arm's reach of one of those windows.


JJ

HA....Even a Hi-Ab couldn't lift your wallet out of the widows in St Paul's!!

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[Larrynwin]

Where we doubt security I set alarm with internal sensors disarmed. In the unlikely event of not being disturbed by a door being trashed the alarm would kick up a din

However the only orifice to put gas in is where the fridge vents but would a pilot light and gas work well together ? mmmmm I doubt it

So the news papers are telling porkys then

So the news papers are telling porkys then

Probably the "victims" telling porkies to reinforce their inflated insurance claim!

 

[Spottycatz]

So the news papers are telling porkys then

Nah, newspapers NEVER tell lies.

 

[irnbru]

Whats the % of how many folk that claim to be 100% sober but still get gassed? Very low I guess.

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[Techno]

I wish I'd get gassed just so I could do a genuine report. Lying barstewards increase insurance premiums for all of us.

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Probably the "victims" telling porkies to reinforce their inflated insurance claim!

..... and too embarrassed to admit that they were one or two sherbets the wrong side of good..

 

[cruiser]

I don't belive it.some people will try anything to con the insurance companys.

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[mentaliss]

My Question of the thread is not about weather Gassing took place or not !!!
its about if there is a security alarm system out there that would detect outside movement and contact with the motorhome by 'undesirables' using, ie; gas hose ! crow bar, what ever....many years ago I had an alarm system fitted to my BMW that I could set parameters that would detect the vehicle being interfered with and one parameter was a voice audio warning...
'warning warning your presence is being detected' ...... and so on!! Im sure something like that would today put off any would be undesirable

 

[Don Quixote]

The long and short answer: Try testing your OWN alarm with different aerosols and you will be very surprised how very sensitive they are to gas if any form and you WILL understand how your system works.
So many owners have a "top of the range" alarm and HAVE NEVER EVER tested it......... thinking I will know what it sounds like when it goes off or I know what it detects because I was told it would!!

THEY FAILED to set their alarm before going to bed ( may have even forget to lock their doors ) but if they HAD SET their alarm they would have locked the doors. Even if we are in a secure campsite we STILL set the alarm........ WHY ? (a) if it goes off someone will look/may out their window (b) flashing led on all the windows will deter 99% (c) habit..... ( use what you have paid a lot of money for the ALARM)

There are alarms out there that will detect movement and use an audible warning, but why would you pay all that money for a "voice" when visible LED's all far better.........

POOR PERSONAL ROUTINE WILL RESULT IN FAILURE.................

 

[jockaneezer]

I looked at an alarm 4 years ago when we got Busty, it consisted of two small circular units that fixed high up on either side of the van and emitted an “ultrasonic curtain” down both sides of the van, I think it activated led’s then an alarm. Thought it was a good idea till the first time I stopped on an Aire, you couldn’t get a fag paper between the vans, it would have gone off constantly

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[timdownieuk]

Has any victim of gassing ever been tested after the event? Most anaesthetic after surgery is excreted through the kidneys so logically a urine test the following day would show traces of anaesthetic.

Not quite right. Intravenous anaesthetics may be excreted by the kidneys and metabolised by the liver, inhalational anaesthetics (gases generally) leave the way they came, namely through the lungs.

I'm not sure how the Russians managed to kill so many people a few years ago. They were being held hostage in a cinema or a theatre. But then God knows what chemicals they have in their arsenal.

That's because they used a potent synthetic opiate (related to opium/heroin) called fentanyl which was dispersed as a vapour. So many people died because the Russians wouldn't tell rescuers what they had used. If they had done so, the effects of he narcotic could easily have been quickly reversed if it had been given in time.

I'd go with you r regular gas leak alarm, a CO2 detector and a smoke alarm. You've got the full set then.

That reminds me, I'm not sure that our new (to us) van has any of those! Must get that sorted.

Tim

 

[mentaliss]

To the posters who no more than people that have been subject to beening Gassed perhaps YOU may care to read and reply your thoughts to 'LETTERS'in the Mail today, author, Sandy LYON, Ellon, Aberdeenshire.

 

[Emmenay]

On hindsight, when Mrs emmenay and I were burgled on a campsite with us both sound asleep and sobar, I could have saved my embarrassment and claimed we were the victims of gassing, instead we put our tails between our legs and admitted to not setting the alarm.......Gassing I believe, is purely mythical. As I said long ago, find out which gas is being used and I will be the subject of a controlled experiment!

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[Deleted member 29692]

To answer the OP.
I don't think there is any alarm system available anywhere that can detect "gassing." The reason for this is that nobody can identify or even guess at the type of gas that could be used. The reason that nobody can identify or even guess at the type of gas that could be used is that is does not happen. Not sometimes, not once, not ever.

The Daily Fail and the red top comics can print whatever made up nonsense they like. It doesn't happen.

Even if someone can identify a substance that would cause the effect in quantities small enough to be portable do you seriously believe that nobody has ever noticed that someone has spent half a day under their van sealing up all the gaps and holes.

 

[timdownieuk]

To the posters who no more than people that have been subject to beening Gassed perhaps YOU may care to read and reply your thoughts to 'LETTERS'in the Mail today, author, Sandy LYON, Ellon, Aberdeenshire.

Life's too short to put every Daily Mail reader right.

Tim

 

[Deleted member 29692]

Life's too short to put every Daily Mail journalist right.

Tim

Corrected for you.

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[durhamahoy]

Having recently tried to sleep through 2 doggies snoring and SWMBO adding a backing chorus, closely followed by several bloody wood pigeon thingies, I would like to know a bit more about this gassing substance. Purely with the aim of administering it at about 10pm each night, not through any air vents but full on. If it comes in an aerosol can I will pretend to be spraying fly spray (well thought out strategy).
Further info very much appreciated

Sleepy Steve

 

[andeb]

Papers want you to believe what they print as they say believe 100 percent of what you see 50 percent of what hear and about 5 percent of what you read in newspapers

 

[DBK]

Having recently tried to sleep through 2 doggies snoring and SWMBO adding a backing chorus, closely followed by several bloody wood pigeon thingies, I would like to know a bit more about this gassing substance. Purely with the aim of administering it at about 10pm each night, not through any air vents but full on. If it comes in an aerosol can I will pretend to be spraying fly spray (well thought out strategy).
Further info very much appreciated

Sleepy Steve

My anaesthetic comes in a glass!

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[The Wino]

Good story for the newspaper of the eurosceptics johnny foreigner strikes again!!!. Does anyone believe there is a crime specific to France only carried out against brits

David

 

[abforfun]

Did they get a good night's sleep

 

[jenny and mitch]

Fentanyl is an opiate, like morphine and is used for extreme pain relief and usually given as a nasal spray, patch or lozenge. The side effects are extreme constipation, difficulty in breathing, difficulty in urinating etc.. I think if this was the offending "gas" then those symptoms would be very obvious..

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[timdownieuk]

Fentanyl is an opiate, like morphine and is used for extreme pain relief and usually given as a nasal spray, patch or lozenge. The side effects are extreme constipation, difficulty in breathing, difficulty in urinating etc.. I think if this was the offending "gas" then those symptoms would be very obvious..

More likely you'd be dead before you developed any of those symptoms if it was sprayed into your van.

Tim

 

[Detnor]

Carbon monoxide will put you to sleep and give you a nasty headache, assuming you survive, keep the gas appliances serviced!

 

[mentaliss]

Life's too short to put every Daily Mail reader right.

Tim

Actually Tim it was shown to me!

To answer the OP.
I don't think there is any alarm system available anywhere that can detect "gassing." The reason for this is that nobody can identify or even guess at the type of gas that could be used. The reason that nobody can identify or even guess at the type of gas that could be used is that is does not happen. Not sometimes, not once, not ever.

The Daily Fail and the red top comics can print whatever made up nonsense they like. It doesn't happen.

Even if someone can identify a substance that would cause the effect in quantities small enough to be portable do you seriously believe that nobody has ever noticed that someone has spent half a day under their van sealing up all the gaps and holes.

I find it quite extraordinary the attitude of people with your obvious left wing

To answer the OP.
I don't think there is any alarm system available anywhere that can detect "gassing." The reason for this is that nobody can identify or even guess at the type of gas that could be used. The reason that nobody can identify or even guess at the type of gas that could be used is that is does not happen. Not sometimes, not once, not ever.

The Daily Fail and the red top comics can print whatever made up nonsense they like. It doesn't happen.

Even if someone can identify a substance that would cause the effect in quantities small enough to be portable do you seriously believe that nobody has ever noticed that someone has spent half a day under their van sealing up all the gaps and holes.

AGAIN:
My Question of the thread is not about weather Gassing took place or not !!!
its about if there is a security alarm system out there that would detect outside movement and contact with the motorhome by 'undesirables' using, ie; gas hose ! crow bar, what ever..

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