So sad

[Nanniemate]

<Broken link removed>

Unfortunately last night I experiences similar one couple in converted VW were upset about the 'presents' left behind, further down the road a warm welcome from other campers who appeared to be respectful then passed 2 parked on their own in separate places. Both car parks with no fires and no camping signs, one was doing his business next to the van toilet roll in hand. another in a different car park had a huge fire blazing away.

It appeared that if a camper was wiling to break one rule the rest followed. I also noticed that both the vans highlighted had more mature owners.

 

[34127]

Just heard of similar problems in Ardentinny near Dunoon, Argyle and Bute.

 

[movan]

They're destroying it for all of us.

If there are ever several of us camped together and see this, we need to go over and speak up... It really is sad.

PLEASE, don't go over on your own anybody. They are capable of anything.

 

[JJ]

Always makes me laugh...

Billions of humans all over the world poo on the ground and have been doing so for thousands and thousands of years along with all the dogs and cats and foxes etc...

Hardly anyone on the planet have porcelain toilets to use...


JJ

 

[movan]

Always makes me laugh...

Billions of humans all over the world poo on the ground and have been doing so for thousands and thousands of years along with all the dogs and cats and foxes etc...

Hardly anyone on the planet have porcelain toilets to use...


JJ

So when I stand in human poo on the grass, I should just shrug my shoulders and say they're doing what comes natural? If no toilet - use a bag, seal it and put it in a bin instead of upsetting others..

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}

 

[Coolcats]

Always makes me laugh...

Billions of humans all over the world poo on the ground and have been doing so for thousands and thousands of years along with all the dogs and cats and foxes etc...

Hardly anyone on the planet have porcelain toilets to use...


JJ

It is no laughing matter if you get one of these, and in many third world countries it is the norm ! that is why we have porcelain and sewage systems.........and wash our hands after doing our business!

Five Waterborne Diseases that Thrive in Poor Sanitation

1. Diarrhea causes approximately 480,000 childhood deaths each year. This condition is linked to several viruses, bacteria and protozoans and ultimately depletes a person of water and electrolytes which, for many without oral rehydration solution, leads to death. One of the most important factors in eliminating diarrheal deaths, next to proper sanitation facilities, is handwashing. Something so simple can save lives and stop the cycle of diarrhea.
2. Cholera is not just a disease from the pages of a history book, it is currently Broken Link Removed in the world. It is unknown precisely how many deaths are directly the result of this waterborne disease, but WHO estimates that cholera kills from 21,000 to 143, 000 on a yearly basis. Contact with waste from an infected individual either directly or through food and water perpetuates the cycle of infection at an alarming rate. Proper sanitation is currently the first line of defense needed to curb this disease.
3. Dysentery can be caused by either bacteria or an amoeba and presents an infection of the intestines. Fortunately, dysentery is usually cleared up on its own without treatment. However, this disease can be easily spread throughout communities without a system to separate waste from food and water.
4. From 11 to 20 million people are infected with typhoid fever every year, causing up to 161,000 deaths on yearly basis. Typhoid fever is a <Broken link removed> caused by bacteria Salmonella Typhi through contaminated food or water and sometimes from direct contact with someone who is infected. Unlike many waterborne diseases, antibiotics and new vaccines can provide treatment and limited immunity. Yet, without proper water, sanitation and hygiene typhoid infection will persist and antibiotic-immune typhoid will spread which will make treatment of the disease more complicated.
5. Polio transmission has significantly decreased over the past 30 years thanks to aggressive, worldwide immunization. Still, the threat of infection continues to spread as a direct result of poor sanitation. Poliovirus is spread when humans come into contact with the virus from human excreta or poliovirus that survives in the wild. Polio is close to being eradicated and providing sanitation to the areas where the disease persists is imperative if the world hopes to one-day be polio-free.

 

[JJ]

So when I stand in human poo on the grass, I should just shrug my shoulders and say they're doing what comes natural? If no toilet - use a bag, seal it and put it in a bin instead of upsetting others..

Great idea to poo into an environmentally damaging plastic bag where it won't degrade and leave it for others to deal with...

I know what happens to poo when it is left to nature to deal with... within days it has degraded harmlessly. I pop my poo into holes and have done for years!

Of course a tad more difficult if you live in a city but in rural areas like mine it's no problem as long as it hasn't been poisoned by stinky, over priced chemicals sold by "dealers"...

JJ

 

[JJ]

It is no laughing matter if you get one of these, and in many third world countries it is the norm ! that is why we have porcelain and sewage systems.........and wash our hands after doing our business!

Five Waterborne Diseases that Thrive in Poor Sanitation

1. Diarrhea causes approximately 480,000 childhood deaths each year. This condition is linked to several viruses, bacteria and protozoans and ultimately depletes a person of water and electrolytes which, for many without oral rehydration solution, leads to death. One of the most important factors in eliminating diarrheal deaths, next to proper sanitation facilities, is handwashing. Something so simple can save lives and stop the cycle of diarrhea.
2. Cholera is not just a disease from the pages of a history book, it is currently Broken Link Removed in the world. It is unknown precisely how many deaths are directly the result of this waterborne disease, but WHO estimates that cholera kills from 21,000 to 143, 000 on a yearly basis. Contact with waste from an infected individual either directly or through food and water perpetuates the cycle of infection at an alarming rate. Proper sanitation is currently the first line of defense needed to curb this disease.
3. Dysentery can be caused by either bacteria or an amoeba and presents an infection of the intestines. Fortunately, dysentery is usually cleared up on its own without treatment. However, this disease can be easily spread throughout communities without a system to separate waste from food and water.
4. From 11 to 20 million people are infected with typhoid fever every year, causing up to 161,000 deaths on yearly basis. Typhoid fever is a <Broken link removed> caused by bacteria Salmonella Typhi through contaminated food or water and sometimes from direct contact with someone who is infected. Unlike many waterborne diseases, antibiotics and new vaccines can provide treatment and limited immunity. Yet, without proper water, sanitation and hygiene typhoid infection will persist and antibiotic-immune typhoid will spread which will make treatment of the disease more complicated.
5. Polio transmission has significantly decreased over the past 30 years thanks to aggressive, worldwide immunization. Still, the threat of infection continues to spread as a direct result of poor sanitation. Poliovirus is spread when humans come into contact with the virus from human excreta or poliovirus that survives in the wild. Polio is close to being eradicated and providing sanitation to the areas where the disease persists is imperative if the world hopes to one-day be polio-free.

Mr/Miss/Mrs/Ms Cats, I'm pretty CERTAIN none of those horrors are prevalent in Wales!!!


JJ

 

[MC 55 FUN]

It is no laughing matter if you get one of these, and in many third world countries it is the norm ! that is why we have porcelain and sewage systems.........and wash our hands after doing our business!

Five Waterborne Diseases that Thrive in Poor Sanitation

1. Diarrhea causes approximately 480,000 childhood deaths each year. This condition is linked to several viruses, bacteria and protozoans and ultimately depletes a person of water and electrolytes which, for many without oral rehydration solution, leads to death. One of the most important factors in eliminating diarrheal deaths, next to proper sanitation facilities, is handwashing. Something so simple can save lives and stop the cycle of diarrhea.
2. Cholera is not just a disease from the pages of a history book, it is currently Broken Link Removed in the world. It is unknown precisely how many deaths are directly the result of this waterborne disease, but WHO estimates that cholera kills from 21,000 to 143, 000 on a yearly basis. Contact with waste from an infected individual either directly or through food and water perpetuates the cycle of infection at an alarming rate. Proper sanitation is currently the first line of defense needed to curb this disease.
3. Dysentery can be caused by either bacteria or an amoeba and presents an infection of the intestines. Fortunately, dysentery is usually cleared up on its own without treatment. However, this disease can be easily spread throughout communities without a system to separate waste from food and water.
4. From 11 to 20 million people are infected with typhoid fever every year, causing up to 161,000 deaths on yearly basis. Typhoid fever is a <Broken link removed> caused by bacteria Salmonella Typhi through contaminated food or water and sometimes from direct contact with someone who is infected. Unlike many waterborne diseases, antibiotics and new vaccines can provide treatment and limited immunity. Yet, without proper water, sanitation and hygiene typhoid infection will persist and antibiotic-immune typhoid will spread which will make treatment of the disease more complicated.
5. Polio transmission has significantly decreased over the past 30 years thanks to aggressive, worldwide immunization. Still, the threat of infection continues to spread as a direct result of poor sanitation. Poliovirus is spread when humans come into contact with the virus from human excreta or poliovirus that survives in the wild. Polio is close to being eradicated and providing sanitation to the areas where the disease persists is imperative if the world hopes to one-day be polio-free.

Some people have incredibly low standards of hygiene.

 

[Coolcats]

Always makes me laugh...

Billions of humans all over the world poo on the ground and have been doing so for thousands and thousands of years along with all the dogs and cats and foxes etc...

Hardly anyone on the planet have porcelain toilets to use...


JJ

Whilst may not be prevalent I was outlining what happens when there is no sewage system available

Mr/Miss/Mrs/Ms Cats, I'm pretty CERTAIN none of those horrors are prevalent in Wales!!!


JJ

As Above I never said it was prevalent but it is possible, along with lots of other nasties.

Too many people as outlined by the OP are using open ground as a toilet, Movan is perfectly correct, be it a corn starch bag or whatever can be used.

You may or may not have dug a hole, but the practice should be in an emergency not ad hoc and as common place is currently being witnessed.

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}

 

[Coolcats]

Some people have incredibly low standards of hygiene.

Indeed, and you just have to feel sorry for those who have no proper sanitation in 3rd world countries

 

[Mikey RV]

Always makes me laugh...

Billions of humans all over the world poo on the ground and have been doing so for thousands and thousands of years along with all the dogs and cats and foxes etc...

Hardly anyone on the planet have porcelain toilets to use...


JJ

so that makes it alright. I think your view would change if someone come and pooped on your land.

 

[MC 55 FUN]

Indeed, and you just have to feel sorry for those who have no proper sanitation in 3rd world countries

Portugal, where you previous respondent abides & to whom you correctly responded '' It is no laughing matter '' isn't third world though, which is why i suggested that some people have incredibly low standards of hygiene.

 

[Coolcats]

Portugal, where you previous respondent abides & to whom you correctly responded '' It is no laughing matter '' isn't third world though, which is why i suggested that some people have incredibly low standards of hygiene.

I do apologise, I was agreeing with you, and yes agree some people do have incredibly low standards of hygiene.

 

[MC 55 FUN]

I do apologise, I was agreeing with you, and yes agree some people do have incredibly low standards of hygiene.

I'm agreeing with you, no apology needed

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}

 

[The Coops]

Teach them to dig a hole at least 22 inches deep and bury the waste, same as a compostable toilet, as stated on a previous post with a couple in a LMC motorhome quote* we just chuck it in a hedge* is not the way forward It will degrade and fertilize without prejudice! I do not practise same but if I had to, no option, that is what I would do, always somewhere en route to dispose of it!

 

[jumartoo]

I have no real problem with the organic poo, although I'd rather people deposited it discretely and well away from footpaths, but it's the up to half a toilet roll that some people feel they need to use and leave behind, festooned on the bushes, that takes time to disintegrate, and leaves a calling card for others to see, that I hate.

As outdoor people for many years, we've had no choice sometimes but to "do" what we have to out in nature. But no-one would've ever seen where I'd been, nor come across it unaware

 

[Nanniemate]

We are not a developing country (Term 3rd World is no longer used, same as outside loos being the norm and tin baths by the fire) I do not have an issue with disposal of human poo by leaving the car park going into the woods digging a hole and covering it. I do not think it is acceptable to leave a pile of Human waste in a car park that will be frequented the following morning with families and dogs and others who wish to enjoy the surroundings. I also think it is unacceptable to expect 'council/forestry workers to have to clean it up.
I also pointed out that the majority were treating the countryside with respect. As for the fire I am sure that the no fire signs are there so that the forest is not accidently set alight. Thus trying to avoid putting our local firefights lives at risk let alone the lives of the others, the wildlife flora and fauna and any home that may need them during the time they are fighting a forest fire that cold have been avoided.

I found a lovely spot enjoyed the piece and quiet and got so excited to see a hedgehog snuffling about (something I have not seen for a long time) I was in a place where my parents would take me 50 years ago as a child and we did not have to play dodge the human excrement as kids but could run and play, climb and fish with string and sticks (we never did catch fish)

I remember the cries of parents when the waterfall was busy 'be careful, wash your hands in the stream before we have the sandwiches and always check to make sure we have left nothing behind'

'Leave no trace' was not a catch phrase but a way of life.

 

[Skyway]

Always makes me laugh...

Billions of humans all over the world poo on the ground and have been doing so for thousands and thousands of years along with all the dogs and cats and foxes etc...

Hardly anyone on the planet have porcelain toilets to use...


JJ

Now that don’t make sence at all

 

[Coolcats]

There are two parts to this, the first is as MoHo owners we have a loo in the van and can plan the disposal of the Black waste.

If you are truly wild camping eg on an expedition, low land or mountain, there is case for digging that hole and disposing of the waste.

But what were are talking about is people in Campers or so called wild camping who do not have a clue, had not planned what to do when they are out and about and will not have shovel with them.

Many will not have hand sanitiser let alone soap or water. So to leave the Human waste and there is a lot of it at the moment near footpaths or car parks etc is totally unacceptable and unjustifiable.

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}

 

[Nanniemate]

There are two parts to this, the first is as MoHo owners we have a loo in the van and can plan the disposal of the Black waste.

If you are truly wild camping eg on an expedition, low land or mountain, there is case for digging that hole and disposing of the waste.

But what were are talking about is people in Campers or so called wild camping who do not have a clue, had not planned what to do when they are out and about and will not have shovel with them.

Many will not have hand sanitiser let alone soap or water. So to leave the Human waste and there is a lot of it at the moment near footpaths or car parks etc is totally unacceptable and unjustifiable.

I stayed out unplanned but had my loo, water, rubbish bags and hand sanitiser, no shovel though but I had no intension of impersonating a bear either.

 

[busby]

Always makes me laugh...

Billions of humans all over the world poo on the ground and have been doing so for thousands and thousands of years along with all the dogs and cats and foxes etc...

Hardly anyone on the planet have porcelain toilets to use...


JJ

Thats why all over the world other than civilised countries, disease is so profound and millions are dying..We have proper toilets so the dirty gits should use them or dig a hole and bury it..BUSBY.

 

[jockaneezer]

Pal I know went to climb the Mount McKinley glacier, one of the conditions attached is that you bring ALL your poop back out with you. Luckily he broke his leg on the second day and had to get airlifted out !