Safefill no longer allowed to be refilled at Morrisons

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[MisterB]

Without getting into the middle of a bun fight, there are manual transfer pumps aswell ...

 

[BikerGraham]

Think will try Morrisons as usual at Killingworth when we get back but if not accepted then there is an independent not far off the spine road at Ashington I believe. So hopefully should be refilled as usual before Spain in December. Shame really as for one reason or another I have only ever refilled at Morrisons in Killingworth

 

[WESTY66]

I use the right lane as my filler is on the nearside. However if it’s not working like today I can use the other pump by reaching through.

Same as me, it’s always worked when I’ve been there

 

[Basildog]

Flipping dangerous only a stupid idiot would use one of those.

There is so many things wrong with it.
I regularly speak to other people in the industry and every one of them thinks those pumps are crazy.
Wait until someone has inverted the 47 kg cylinder to fill their motorhome and for some reason the PRV opens , the liquid will almost certainly freeze it open
Not to to mention all the heavy ends , rust and paint found in cylinders that’s now in your system.
Also the Gaslow connection hose is mentioned but just because something is sold doesn’t mean it’s right.

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[Basildog]

What a load of tosh.... what do you think I'm doing connecting to the battery with it right next to the bottle.... its 5 mtrs away.. the thing is you need to engage a modicum of common sense... so its not for you maybe..
I should add a lot of what you have claimed there is no different from what you can do with a Gaslow system by using a remote cylinder connection pipe which Gaslow themselves sell.... I do it all the time... I connect a 47kg Calor via the screw fitting on my exterior fill point and the other end of the pipe to the LHT Calor outlet... only difference is the pump.

Completely bonkers even considering using that

 

[Basildog]

To put it bluntly there are many of us waiting for a fatality in the leisure industry, unfortunately it will then depend on whether it’s a peasant thats killed or somebody with connections.
The unfortunate fact is that we have a reactive safety culture rather than a proactive one , it would have been so simple to set up a registration system for refillable systems when they originally came to the market , sadly a missed opportunity

 

[bigtwin]

Flipping dangerous only a stupid idiot would use one of those.

But, apparently, if you have an idiot with some common sense, it’s all good.

I think Dunning-Kruger may well be at work here.

Ian

 

[Garry - June]

Flipping dangerous only a stupid idiot would use one of those.

Thats me then...and working perfectly too.. I'll report back in a few years if Im still alive and let you know how its going..

 

[PORKSTER]

I nearly always use a fairly local Morrisons, hopefully it will be ok as the cash desk can't see the LPG pump.

If it's one I use Lenny it's been troublesome lately. So I go to a hire place lad fills it for me
About 10p more though

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[Garry - June]

There is so many things wrong with it.
I regularly speak to other people in the industry and every one of them thinks those pumps are crazy.
Wait until someone has inverted the 47 kg cylinder to fill their motorhome and for some reason the PRV opens , the liquid will almost certainly freeze it open
Not to to mention all the heavy ends , rust and paint found in cylinders that’s now in your system.
Also the Gaslow connection hose is mentioned but just because something is sold doesn’t mean it’s right.

Also the Gaslow connection hose is mentioned but just because something is sold doesn’t mean it’s right.

Ahh I see so Gaslow are now selling dangerous equipment now as well then..

 

[Stoosal]

Also the Gaslow connection hose is mentioned but just because something is sold doesn’t mean it’s right.

Ahh I see so Gaslow are now selling dangerous equipment now as well then..

I think the Gaslow reserve connection hose is designed to transfer vapourised gas from a ‘reserve’ cylinder to the motorhome system. It is not designed to refill a cylinder by transfer of liquid and I’m sure Gaslow state this in their website. Gaslow also recommend purchase and fitting of a filter when using this hose to ensure any debris from the reserve cylinder is not transferred to your motorhome system. Properly used I don’t think it is dangerous, but, if you choose to use it for purposes for which it is not specified then…..

 

[Basildog]

I think the Gaslow reserve connection hose is designed to transfer vapourised gas from a ‘reserve’ cylinder to the motorhome system. It is not designed to refill a cylinder by transfer of liquid and I’m sure Gaslow state this in their website. Gaslow also recommend purchase and fitting of a filter when using this hose to ensure any debris from the reserve cylinder is not transferred to your motorhome system. Properly used I don’t think it is dangerous, but, if you choose to use it for purposes for which it is not specified then…..

It isn’t a recommend method of connecting an external gas cylinder to a leisure vehicle, it doesn’t comply with the relevant standards .
Any high pressure gas connection is potentially dangerous and best avoided, most uk campsites will not allow connection to free standing gas cylinders for obvious reasons.

 

[Lenny HB]

If it's one I use Lenny it's been troublesome lately. So I go to a hire place lad fills it for me
About 10p more though

Never had a problem there, last time was 5 or 6 weeks ago.

 

[Garry - June]

It isn’t a recommend method of connecting an external gas cylinder to a leisure vehicle, it doesn’t comply with the relevant standards .
Any high pressure gas connection is potentially dangerous and best avoided, most uk campsites will not allow connection to free standing gas cylinders for obvious reasons.

Well it seems I'm doing and have been doing bad things for years then... Better not mention I upgraded my own Gaslow system to two bottles.... Oh and even fitted my own external BBQ outlet too.... shock horror.

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[Garry - June]

It isn’t a recommend method of connecting an external gas cylinder to a leisure vehicle, it doesn’t comply with the relevant standards .
Any high pressure gas connection is potentially dangerous and best avoided, most uk campsites will not allow connection to free standing gas cylinders for obvious reasons.

I think nearly every campsite Ive been on in the UK have had vans with free standing 47kg bottles attached.. In fact the last long term site we stopped at for some time even supplied the bottles themselves.

 

[Basildog]

I would like to know other than going to a pump and a test fill
Is there a test for filling side that can check a system is not going to leak if so at what pressure is it

Yes there is a few different ways of doing this ,
We have our own test rig built with a liquid take off tank and a lpg gun connected to it.
There is the option to connect a Calor type cylinder to a filler point with a test hose that would test at bottle pressure , although some test kits are sold with a gauge that is completely pointless as it would only be testing the test hose
The filler point has an NRV.
Unfortunately the lack of knowledge in this industry is scary

 

[Brains]

The guy making and selling the kits has been told by more than one industry professional
I think you only need to look at the pictures

Pardon our interruption...

Love the photo.
What could possibly go wrong !

 

[Markman]

There is so many things wrong with it.
I regularly speak to other people in the industry and every one of them thinks those pumps are crazy.
Wait until someone has inverted the 47 kg cylinder to fill their motorhome and for some reason the PRV opens , the liquid will almost certainly freeze it open
Not to to mention all the heavy ends , rust and paint found in cylinders that’s now in your system.
Also the Gaslow connection hose is mentioned but just because something is sold doesn’t mean it’s right.

"the liquid will almost certainly freeze it open" as happened in Feyzin. This involved the bottom valve on a 500ton LPG sphere with the discharge valve freezing open leading to the leaks, gas cloud, fires, BLEVEs and 18 deaths. So Garry - June the lessons were learned from that incident are summarised in Basildog 's comments. Also, in the UK, a "Broadly Acceptable" risk of fatality is on in a million years, rather than one in the 50(?) odd years you have been doing these things with LPG.

Refinery fire at Feyzin. 4th January 1966 - HSE

www.hse.gov.uk

 

[Tombola]

£75 from my supplier delivered..

and me,

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[PlacidoD]

The guy making and selling the kits has been told by more than one industry professional
I think you only need to look at the pictures

Pardon our interruption...

I shudder just looking at the photos!

 

[Garry - June]

"the liquid will almost certainly freeze it open" as happened in Feyzin. This involved the bottom valve on a 500ton LPG sphere with the discharge valve freezing open leading to the leaks, gas cloud, fires, BLEVEs and 18 deaths. So Garry - June the lessons were learned from that incident are summarised in Basildog 's comments. Also, in the UK, a "Broadly Acceptable" risk of fatality is on in a million years, rather than one in the 50(?) odd years you have been doing these things with LPG.

Refinery fire at Feyzin. 4th January 1966 - HSE

www.hse.gov.uk

Hardly comparable is it...but thanks again for more expert advice... but I'll continue using it.. I am taking one word of advice and extending the 12v lead and will be installing an Anderson connector instead of the crocodile clips.... so as I said I'll come back in a few years and let you all know I'm still alive..

 

[MisterB]

Hardly comparable is it...but thanks again for more expert advice... but I'll continue using it.. I am taking one word of advice and extending the 12v lead and will be installing an Anderson connector instead of the crocodile clips.... so as I said I'll come back in a few years and let you all know I'm still alive..

As LPG is heavier than air (and I'm not advocating that what you're doing is safe) perhaps any ignition sources (battery) should be at a higher point than the take off or delivery points and you should have a kill switch somewhere distant and certainly don't leave it unattended.
I have said previously that I know someone who used to fill his vehicle LPG tank from cylinders BUT used a manual pump, though it took him a long time.
It's not something I would personally do or suggest others should ...

 

[Ian_H]

Hardly comparable is it...but thanks again for more expert advice... but I'll continue using it.. I am taking one word of advice and extending the 12v lead and will be installing an Anderson connector instead of the crocodile clips.... so as I said I'll come back in a few years and let you all know I'm still alive..

Well done for spotting a weakness in the safety of the system. Maybe you could get one of the grandkids to steady the gas bottle to stop it falling onto the pipe too

 

[Mzracer]

Love the photo.
What could possibly go wrong !

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Seriously I did not realise that this kind of thing was going on.

I was thinking of getting a gaslow system again ( had 2 in the past) but I would say that the days are numbered for refilling LPG from when someone gets killed doing this dodgy stuff.

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[MisterB]

Just for balance our local Flowgas distribution place at Earle’s Colne industrial site where the airfield is is more than happy to fill safefill and any perpose made refillable bottles but not the ones that are not made to be refilled
I would add the last quarter mile to get to his place is very narrow so I take our bottles in the car

I've got a couple of safefill cylinders that I want to get topped up at some point for the double pizza oven and urn for the rallies next year, so it looks like I'll be heading over there, I agree with what you say re the location being a bit difficult, so will go in the car aswell!

 

[BrochMike]

But, apparently, if you have an idiot with some common sense, it’s all good.

No need for 'some', just a 'modicum'

Anyway, the vendor in Yorkshire explains why being registered with a trade body (or, presumably, being registered as 'Gas Safe') is an unnecessary, irrelevant & expensive option for them.

So that's OK.

I just hope he hasn't done any work for Wildax in recent years

 

[Minxy]

I'll come back in a few years and let you all know I'm still alive

It's not just you though is it, it's anyone and anything you take with you when it goes boom and the risk to those who have to deal with the situation once it does. Even if you survived I doubt your insurance would pay out.

Just keep away from everyone else and property when doing it to minimise the risk to others and make sure your will is up to date.

 

[Gellyneck]

.... so as I said I'll come back in a few years and let you all know I'm still alive..

will you also be nominating someone else to come back if it does go all wrong?

You'd also better check your 3rd party liability insurance. Impact could be millions from your own cinderised pocket!

 

[Pausim]

as I said I'll come back in a few years and let you all know I'm still alive.

No need to report back, we will keep an eye on the Darwin Awards.

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