Quarantine rules - what's your interpretation?

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Currently in Germany and noting our return route via Netherlands may be hit with a quarantine requirement any time.
The Government website is vaguely helpful but understanding precisely how they will apply the rules is a guessing game.
We were wondering if we fuel up at the border, drive directly to the Hook of Holland without getting out of the vehicle (same as you can transit Belgium), get on the ferry and straight to the cabin, would we get away without having to quarantine?
The check in process is all from your vehicle which helps.
Interested in what people think. Cheers all
 
We are planning Germany in Sept and think the same as you. I think if you don't interact with anyone or allow passengers to enter the vehicle you should be OK. But, like you, watching the situation.
 
This topic was discussed on another thread just recently and I posted the following with regard to quarantine requirements when transiting a country that is consider a high risk by the FCO.

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Quarantine announced for Belgium

UK Announces self isolation for folk returning to the UK from Belgium. Me thinks France is not far off from being listed as a high risk country. As if we here in the UK are not high risk ourselves!
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Similarly (hopefully) doing Germany and Austria (if/when) France goes on naughty list, i was looking to Aachen area for a last night stop.
The more i have looked at it the more I have thought, turn up late at Bergues and just dont get out the van on the night before tunnel.
Ticks all the boxes the Government for their requirements.

Unless someone can point out my flawed thinking ?
 
It does make me laugh that there should be any possible "interpretation " at all ?

Fact is you are breathing air in a polluted country. I see yesterday that a study as shown that the virus not only survives in the air but samples taken have shown that the virus is actually in the air. Worrying.
 
We do seem to be moving as a society to asking how ‘enforcers’ will ensure that rules are complied with rather than doing what’s expected of us. Is this a good thing?

Ian

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All useful comments, thank you.

That transit stops section doesn't appear to apply to motorhomes, I'd suggest this section does:

Private vehicles
You don’t need to self-isolate if you travel through a non-exempt country and you don’t stop in the country.

If you do make a stop, you don’t need to self-isolate if:

  • no new people get into the vehicle
  • no-one in the vehicle gets out, mixes with other people, and gets in again
You do need to self-isolate if you make a stop and:

  • new people get into the vehicle, or
  • someone gets out of the vehicle, mixes with other people and gets in again
It all seems to boil down to what Border Force think about passing documents to the Stena staff in the Netherlands and getting to and from your cabin on the ferry before landing on UK soil. Then again, I agree that you could do whatever you want and claim I'm to be whiter than white.

We want to do all we can to avoid being a source of infection, and are of the view that if we stay in our vehicle then we are doing as much as we reasonably can. I guess if we were going to be 100% safe then we should have stayed in the house and not gone out at all. That is a terrifying prospect with an energetic 6 year old and a baby!

Perhaps the key is what the border force staff have been instructed to do...?
 
chaser said:
I know this is against the spirit of the thing, but who is going to know where you have been, what you have done and where you are going to go?
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I think it's pretty obvious that you have been to Holland if your ferry departs from there ....
 
MisterB said:
I think it's pretty obvious that you have been to Holland if your ferry departs from there ....
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If you didn't get out at the port, you are clear

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It isn't really well thought out.How can you have one country classed as disease ridden & others not & yes you do the best you can to avoid setting foot on any soil that isn't 'exempt' then get on the boat/train & can be possibly infected /mix with people like me ,spanish plague monsters?:sick::sick::sick::sick::sick: Doesn't really add up ?:unsure:
 
Broadly speaking when others don't obey the rules I find it both annoying and irresponsible. When I don't obey the rules myself it's because they are not really taking into account my own situation and convenience adequately.
 
I think its clear in the text you have pasted above. Don‘t stop in the naughty bits.
 
g3cwi said:
Broadly speaking when others don't obey the rules I find it both annoying and irresponsible. When I don't obey the rules myself it's because they are not really taking into account my own situation and convenience adequately.
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By embarking on a ferry that implies the possibility of infection from others on the same vessel. When berthed the ferry is practically and effectively in the country of departure and thus the quarantine regulations would apply. You are getting out of your vehicle and sharing a space with other people before disembarking.
 
WillH said:
By embarking on a ferry that implies the possibility of infection from others on the same vessel. When berthed the ferry is practically and effectively in the country of departure and thus the quarantine regulations would apply. You are getting out of your vehicle and sharing a space with other people before disembarking.
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But unfortunately having dogs & asking the questions you find out that the moment that you have 'checked in ' you are classed as being in the UK regardless of the Fact that you might still be in France or even Spain & any delay you might face to overrun the dogs time limit.Even if you sit there a week you are already classed as in the UK.
It is the same on the tnnel.As soon as the dog is checked in he is regarded as being in the UK & so the time limit is covered. Therefore you must be as well.
 
johneeeeski said:
Private vehicles
You don’t need to self-isolate if you travel through a non-exempt country and you don’t stop in the country.

If you do make a stop, you don’t need to self-isolate if:

  • no new people get into the vehicle
  • no-one in the vehicle gets out, mixes with other people, and gets in again
You do need to self-isolate if you make a stop and:

  • new people get into the vehicle, or
  • someone gets out of the vehicle, mixes with other people and gets in again
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Just wondering, if France is put on the naughty step, and I drive from Germany, straight through Belgium and France to Eurotunnel without stopping (which is easily achievable), is my journey through the Eurotunnel terminal, and interaction with French border control, classed as a stop in France?

No one new gets into the vehicle and we won’t get out, but the French border people MAY handle my passport. Once through the French controls, I’m officially in the UK and it doesn’t matter anymore.
 
gus-lopez said:
But unfortunately having dogs & asking the questions you find out that the moment that you have 'checked in ' you are classed as being in the UK regardless of the Fact that you might still be in France or even Spain & any delay you might face to overrun the dogs time limit.Even if you sit there a week you are already classed as in the UK.
It is the same on the tnnel.As soon as the dog is checked in he is regarded as being in the UK & so the time limit is covered. Therefore you must be as well.
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The ferry is practically, effectively and physically in the country it's berthed in, regardless of what you or your dogs are 'classed' as being. I was at sea for over 25 years years and know what quarantine regulations are having been in a quarantine anchorage more than once. It isn't a new thing, we've had the laws for hundreds of years.

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G7UXG said:
Just wondering, if France is put on the naughty step, and I drive from Germany, straight through Belgium and France to Eurotunnel without stopping (which is easily achievable), is my journey through the Eurotunnel terminal, and interaction with French border control, classed as a stop in France?

No one new gets into the vehicle and we won’t get out, but the French border people MAY handle my passport. Once through the French controls, I’m officially in the UK and it doesn’t matter anymore.
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No new people get in
No one gets out, and mixes with others.

So you are ok. No quarantine required.
 
suavecarve said:
Similarly (hopefully) doing Germany and Austria (if/when) France goes on naughty list, i was looking to Aachen area for a last night stop.
The more i have looked at it the more I have thought, turn up late at Bergues and just dont get out the van on the night before tunnel.
Ticks all the boxes the Government for their requirements.

Unless someone can point out my flawed thinking ?
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That is what we are considering as well. Drive from Aachen to Tunnel with no-one getting out of van and no-one getting in. Like you we moved our plans away from France.
 
violet said:
That is what we are considering as well. Drive from Aachen to Tunnel with no-one getting out of van and no-one getting in. Like you we moved our plans away from France.
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NB Aachen is expensive and has a LEZ zone
I now have my eye on this stellplatz next to a lake at 8 euros for the night
3 hours 50 to Calais no tolls but serious potential to add some time to that because of Brussels
Rurberg 50.605592, 6.381004
 
WillH said:
The ferry is practically, effectively and physically in the country it's berthed in, regardless of what you or your dogs are 'classed' as being. I was at sea for over 25 years years and know what quarantine regulations are having been in a quarantine anchorage more than once. It isn't a new thing, we've had the laws for hundreds of years.
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I know that but the rules are that once you & any pet have 'checked in' then regardless of any delay you are classed as having complied.
You seriously cant be saying that the dogs have met the requirement & are classed as 'in the UK' but the owners aren't? That sounds a bit like something a half wit at Dunkerke was spouting to me a few years back. He soon had to apologise.
 

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