Petition to Reduce University student tuition fees from £9250 to £3000

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I have posted this petition as I believe education should be affordable for all. The reality for many who go to university means they are saddled with debt for years. The old days of a uni degree meaning you would expect to have higher earnings are long gone. It is a burden that families and their children should not have to face. Please share this petition


Reduce University student tuition fees from £9250 to £3000​

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Petition: Reduce University student tuition fees from £9250 to £3000

Call on the government to consider holding debates in Parliament between MPs and university students to raise/discuss issues that affect them. It will allow students to voice their opinions and concerns about tuition fees of £9250 a year which are too high, particularly as grants have been removed
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MH 55 FUN said:
Who is going to make up the difference between £9250 & £3000 ?
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Exactly my thoughts. Taxpayer comes to mind.

The loan is not paid back until the individual is earning 25K, and if not paid off after 30 years is written off so actually not a bad deal, particularly if the "degree" is one of the more bizarre type available and not certain to provide a salary kick.

www.theguardian.com

Is a British university degree really worth it any more?

We run the rule over UK higher education, as school leavers prepare for their A-level results
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Coolcats said:
I have posted this petition as I believe education should be affordable for all. The reality for many who go to university means they are saddled with debt for years. The old days of a uni degree meaning you would expect to have higher earnings are long gone. It is a burden that families and their children should not have to face. Please share this petition

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Reduce University student tuition fees from £9250 to £3000​

petition.parliament.uk

Petition: Reduce University student tuition fees from £9250 to £3000

Call on the government to consider holding debates in Parliament between MPs and university students to raise/discuss issues that affect them. It will allow students to voice their opinions and concerns about tuition fees of £9250 a year which are too high, particularly as grants have been removed
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Currently got a student at uni at the moment, although i would agree that the fees are too high I disagree that families are burdened with the tuition fee cost, as it is only paid by the student if earning over a certain amount. Most won't repay the cost so it is really additional taxation for them
 
University isn't for everyone - despite the government's desire to get to the top of some University educated performance lead table.

Cut the number of pointless degree courses
Cut the number of rebranded colleges, transformed into Universities
Then think about cutting fees - starting with the really important ones such as medicine & pure science.

Bring back "Techs", and give students some financial incentive to study practical courses...

No, I won't be signing.
 
Don't see the point doesn't cost them hardly anything as they only pay it back when earning. With my eldest daughter it's not that much compared to what she earns & youngest one has never paid anything as she moved to Thailand.

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I see all University Students in a 24/7 capacity.

The ones that work deserve a break, however, by lowering it, it will only increase the amount of students who are there for the "Experience" i.e. The Student Union and that would ultimately have a great effect on the ones who are there to educate themselves in education rather than life and for us to sponsor them for it.

My reason for not signing it.
 
Langtoftlad said:
University isn't for everyone - despite the government's desire to get to the top of some University educated performance lead table.

Cut the number of pointless degree courses
Cut the number of rebranded colleges, transformed into Universities
Then think about cutting fees - starting with the really important ones such as medicine & pure science.

Bring back "Techs", and give students some financial incentive to study practical courses...

No, I won't be signing.
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Could not have said it any better.
 
Whilst I support this in principle it is not fair on those like all of my kids who are already saddled with the £9000, as there would only be a cohort of a few years who had this, whilst all those before were free unless the proposal includes writing off all the £9000 loans too.
 
Lenny HB said:
I think the Government has got enough on its plate at the moment without reducing fees for potential high earners.
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Agree. It’s a choice. Most degrees are worthless now too as to many irrelevant ones. Would rather the money went to increase the such poor wages for those doing a skilled apprenticeship personally.

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When our eldest daughter did her first Uni course we the parents had to pay £1000 a year, I think the current system is much better.

They don't pay for everything eldest daughter had to pay for her Masters but when she did a Teacher training degree she got a Bursary, youngest one got one as well.
 
Mr Chrysalis said:
Whilst I support this in principle it is not fair on those like all of my kids who are already saddled with the £9000, as there would only be a cohort of a few years who had this, whilst all those before were free unless the proposal includes writing off all the £9000 loans too.
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Thats life its never fair i am afraid,,Its just like my wife,,got her pension at 62,,which she said wasnt fair but her slightly younger sister has to wait until she is 66. Think the whole younger generation were conned by previous governments regarding DEGREES,,,Its now an industry churning out pupils with Mickey Mouse qualifications.My middle grand daughter took the degree route,,her older brother could not hack 6 th form so got a job..Both working but his salary is double hers..Youngest grand son has decided no 6th form or Uni and joined the army at 16,,hope he sticks it..BUSBY:giggle:
 
Most folk here who went to university would, like me, have been of the generation which were awarded means-tested grants and the fees were paid for everyone.

Education is free up to school leaving age. I believe that should also be the case for higher education.

Certainly, it is possible to identify a list of vital shortage subjects and offer inducements for those. That already happens. However, surely it sets a dangerous precedent to label any particular higher qualification as unworthy or a waste of time, if it has been approved by the regulator as being sufficiently rigorously assessed.

That would be akin to denying NHS treatment to certain groups such as obese people or smokers because “it’s their own fault”. Where do you draw the line in a civilised and compassionate society?

Investment in education should, I believe, be a priority that we hope, as with any investment, will yield greater benefits than the costs. I have supported the petition.
 
MH 55 FUN said:
Who is going to make up the difference between £9250 & £3000 ?
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Not the point, around 10 years ago the Open University was around £640 for a Unit (60 points) which meant a degree undertaken for £3800, Today in England the cost is £3600 per unit or £18,576 for a degree .

If you happen to live in Wales the Open University costs £1,032 or £6,192 some £12,000 Less

It should not just be those with Money who can afford eduction
 
Mr Chrysalis said:
Whilst I support this in principle it is not fair on those like all of my kids who are already saddled with the £9000, as there would only be a cohort of a few years who had this, whilst all those before were free unless the proposal includes writing off all the £9000 loans too.
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But its not £9,000 it is £9,000 per Year, plus books, computer, accommodation so you are looking at around £40-£50K!

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busby said:
Thats life its never fair i am afraid,,Its just like my wife,,got her pension at 62,,which she said wasnt fair but her slightly younger sister has to wait until she is 66. Think the whole younger generation were conned by previous governments regarding DEGREES,,,Its now an industry churning out pupils with Mickey Mouse qualifications.My middle grand daughter took the degree route,,her older brother could not hack 6 th form so got a job..Both working but his salary is double hers..Youngest grand son has decided no 6th form or Uni and joined the army at 16,,hope he sticks it..BUSBY:giggle:
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Just think about this the next time your flying or driving about the engineers, scientists who have made your journey safe, of course not everyone wishes to go to university, when I started out as a vehicle technician I went to college and valued my City and Guilds.........but it is still education. an Undergrad degree will cost best part of £30K a Masters add another £10K add a Phd will cost you around another £12K so that's £52K in tuition fees add to that all the other costs and it makes you wonder why people wish to undertake this. Education should be an enabler in life not saddle an individual and thier family with huge debts
 
James-Alex said:
Agree. It’s a choice. Most degrees are worthless now too as to many irrelevant ones. Would rather the money went to increase the such poor wages for those doing a skilled apprenticeship personally.
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I value my apprenticeship as I know my friends did, and no one is denying this is not a good form of education, but so is a University Degree, degrees do not cover you for every job, but neither do apprenticeships
 
2x2camper said:
Currently got a student at uni at the moment, although i would agree that the fees are too high I disagree that families are burdened with the tuition fee cost, as it is only paid by the student if earning over a certain amount. Most won't repay the cost so it is really additional taxation for them
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Depends on the Student's personal and family circumstances whether you think its a burden or not.
 
I've signed it, mainly because the £9,000 price is socially divisive, and prevents social mobility. Many poorer families cannot possibly afford the fees. I also think that young people should not start their careers with a huge debt hanging over them.

When I see University Chancellors pocketing salaries of £600,000 plus I think it obscene.

Everyone should have equal opportunity to use their talents and hard work to improve their lot, regardless of their parents wealth.

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Think that the trouble is everyday there is someone wanting funding etc for something be it care homes or education etc etc . There is so many thinking that they should be top of the list for a hand out that nobody takes any notice or has any interest, add in to the mix they are probably on reduced hours or zero hours etc so why would they care.
 
ctc said:
You can see why we are so far behind in the world when a good education has so little value.
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Added to that, a valueless degree is deemed worth £27000 (over 3 years). Until reality strikes when the graduate tries to find a job commensurate with their supposed qualification.

I was shocked when I found out that the local Uni was accepting students who had failed their A-levels. It was quite obvious that the students in the multiple occupation houses near mine were there for the "experience" and doing precious little studying. At that time the tuition fees were £3000 p.a. so that wasn't any kind of incentive to be a bookworm.

So, I won't be signing the petition either. The problem is that there are too many Uni degree places available and too few students with real academic ability and inclination to get a worthwhile qualification. The better solution is to cut back on so-called higher education and expand vocational training instead.
 
when my eldest went and during her first year, i spoke direct to the uni, who explained that the first year was really just a settling in year and they werent expected to actually produce any work of note - i explained that it was costing me and her a considerable amount of money to 'settle in' - and that i expected proper tuition and learning outcomes to be achieved, what a waste of a phone call

since polytechnics became universities the whole system has become profit driven - i suspect that as soon as some students realised they would get grants that would never need to be paid back, they started to apply which in turn pushed up the cost of education for those who had no option but to pay !!

when uni education was free, i suspect the qualifying criteria was much higher ......

bring back real apprenticeships, more vocational training and stop inventing degrees in getting a degree and other such obscure and heavily subscribed 'soft degrees'
 
Universities used to be academia for academia's sake - not to train anybody for a real life career - that's why medical degrees are taught at "Schools" within Universities.

To learn how to learn, to learn how to think, and learn how to research and write up the results in an academic environment - not for any practical purpose but to enrich the student's mind. In a true University, you are not taught subject matter, but given guidance & support to 'teach' yourself.

Of course, in modern times, that interpretation has widened due to financial, political & equality pressure... and IMV has diluted the purity of the "brand".

A University should not be for all, but for only the very best minds.
Of course, there is a practical issue that wealth shouldn't be a bar.

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