Parking in Laybys on main roads.

[EX51SSS]

Surely then as said "layby" has 3 "P" signs and is separated from the main carriageway by an area of trees it should be classed as a "Parking area" not a layby and therefor have no requirement for lights on a stationary vehicle?

Additionally if that was indeed the site of the accident then why on earth was a car driving into it so fast that it caused such mayhem?

Probably because they want to blame the wagon driver.

 

[Khizzie]

There is a shortage of overnight parking facilities but who is going to pay for them. There is a certain % of drivers for what ever reason will not pay for overnight parking so actively seek out free parking space. Who knows the answer.

Absolutely right.. we are in desperate need for proper off road lorry parking at a sensible c ost similar to the European ones ..

 

[EX51SSS]

I think a lot of drivers (not wagon drivers) think that ALL companies pay for a night out parking. They don't!!! Yes a lot do but not all. A lot of companies pay night out money which may be around £18.00 but that's for the driver not the company vehicle. Lots of service areas charge £20.00 (rare so cheap) to £32.00 for parking overnight. Some include a voucher for food, some don't. If the companies don't pay for parking, are you suggesting that the driver pays to park the vehicle?
To those companies that do pay, the driver would have to produce a receipt to get the payment back so it's not theirs and could be 2 months if paid monthly in arrears. Just imagine how much money a driver would need to pay out. Trampers (on usually 4+ nights away) might have to pay £25.00 a night for 4 nights = £100.00 per week and could be continually £400.00 down even after getting money back.
Albeit drivers are professional, they aren't the best paid but everyone relies on their ability/experience to get you what you want but you hate them.

 

[busby]

Absolutely right.. we are in desperate need for proper off road lorry parking at a sensible c ost similar to the European ones ..

The amount of revenue the exchequer extracts from road haulage,,road tax and fuel tax there should be no shortage of free truck parking with decent facilities,,BUSBY,,

 

[robnchris]

Another sad satnav error

Or perhaps just driver error like the idiot driving far too fast in the Lee Bank accident in Birmingham.

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[Ex-caravantugger]

Must admit, I was driving with daylight running lights on, thinking all lights were on. I read on here a while back and now don’t use them. What’s the idea of only having front lights on, I’m sure most newbies think the same and use them.

Mickey.

So the little old lady, and others, with dodgy eyesight have a better chance of crossing the road safely than if you didn't have them on.

 

[Ex-caravantugger]

There is a shortage of overnight parking facilities but who is going to pay for them. There is a certain % of drivers for what ever reason will not pay for overnight parking so actively seek out free parking space. Who knows the answer.

Sounds like some Funsters on here.

 

[Enword]

Not getting involved with the rights & wrongs of the accident as I was not there or seen a report,
My question is when our local authority loads a layby with steel tubes, building materials etc. if I drive into it who is to blame, A layby about a mile from us has massive boulders dropped there to stop Travelers from turning it into a camp again if I drive into them, who's fault? Being out in the sticks Milk Tankers have to drop their drags in Laybys & ferry the milk to them & decant it across, so who is responsible for them?

 

[Ex-caravantugger]

How old are you....

I'm 69 and remember having to hang a single lamp with red and clear lenses on my WINDDOWN driver's door window. Possibly 5amp bulb with the lead plugged into a socket on the REAL WOOD dashboard. (Wolseley 1500)
Mike

 

[busby]

I'm 69 and remember having to hang a single lamp with red and clear lenses on my WINDDOWN driver's door window. Possibly 5amp bulb with the lead plugged into a socket on the REAL WOOD dashboard. (Wolseley 1500)
Mike

I used to use an old paraffin roadworks lamp,,,BUSBY..

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[Ex-caravantugger]

Easy answer then, stay indoors whilst the professionals do their job without back seat drivers thinking they can drive better than professional drivers

We had this debate a week or so ago. Just because one is a professional driver one is not better at it than somebody who is not. Once a bad driver always a bad driver. They just have more practise at it.

 

[vwalan]

Not getting involved with the rights & wrongs of the accident as I was not there or seen a report,
My question is when our local authority loads a layby with steel tubes, building materials etc. if I drive into it who is to blame, A layby about a mile from us has massive boulders dropped there to stop Travelers from turning it into a camp again if I drive into them, who's fault? Being out in the sticks Milk Tankers have to drop their drags in Laybys & ferry the milk to them & decant it across, so who is responsible for them?

then when the trailer tank is full take it up to birmingham . or london etc . mind i didnt mind gloucester , they had a nice canteen with cheap food . all good fun.
never knew if i was doing milk or sewage . always washed out after doing the milk . didnt always when doing sewage . hee hee.

 

[Brakers]

Or perhaps just driver error like the idiot driving far too fast in the Lee Bank accident in Birmingham.

More than likely

 

[Dilbert]

I posted early on this thread reference trucks etc parked in lay bys .i have parked unlit in many lay bys in over 40 years and have always turned the lights off . If it's got a P sign it's a parking area so it's classed as off the highway. Some folk on here seem to have it in for truck drivers for some reason .

 

[Silver-Fox]

Albeit drivers are professional, they aren't the best paid but everyone relies on their ability/experience to get you what you want but you hate them.

Well underpaid in my opinion considering the responsibility of the job along with coach drivers.

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[Janine]

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/waiting-and-parking-238-to-252

 

[GWAYGWAY]

The thing about the A2/M2 and M20/A20 from Dover and the Channel Tunnel is that there is a huge number of Trucks from every Country in Europe coming and going in the County.
Thousands of them in both direction every day, and there is NOWHERE TO PARK up considering the draconian measures taken for infringing the driving hours regulations. They cannot stop in either tha Docks or the Tunnel site and must go onwards until the first available place is reached.
THERE IS a concerted move by the Local Authorities to shut EVERY layby coming from Dover in both routes, a golden chance for Husks at Lydden to charge, for very little in the way of facilities, but however they managed to get the nearby laybys blocked off. The next place at halfway house is full and overflowing by 7.00pm. Onwards to Boughton Filling Station where they stopped, and are now being CLAMPED to stop it happening, requiring carrying on, the slip road up and down was used. No longer, next from there is the parking area Marked up as such with signs which gets filled quickly . This is where I understand it happened to the last lorry in the queue but off the road. Look on Google Earth and you will see the problem.
In my trip to Gibraltar in the van last week I was impressed with how the French and Spanish cope with the problem also the Germans and Belgians, all these Countries HAVE PROPER PLACES and are free to use, with Toilets albeit not particulaly nice ones, but saving the use of bottles and plastic bags. This being the biggest moan the locals have about the lorry drivers.
UK will not, and do not, supply anything at all like that, and leave it to the privately owned Service areas to do it and overcharge greatly. £25 is probably how much an Eastern European driver gets paid for a days work. This situation needs to be changed. but, no doubt this accident will lead to more restriction on stopping anywhere and this layby being sealed off with Armco barrier like the others. It is an injusice that these drivers have to try and stay legal with the authorites trying their hardest to prohibit them.
Proper rest aras need to be made on the runk and motorway system not left to the Sharks of the Service area ripoff lobby.

 

[busby]

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/waiting-and-parking-238-to-252

Bet if you travelled the length of any trunk road in the uk you will not see one truck parked at night in a lay by with lights on..Police have not enforced this law for 40 years,,,BUSBY,,

 

[busby]

The thing about the A2/M2 and M20/A20 from Dover and the Channel Tunnel is that there is a huge number of Trucks from every Country in Europe coming and going in the County.
Thousands of them in both direction every day, and there is NOWHERE TO PARK up considering the draconian measures taken for infringing the driving hours regulations. They cannot stop in either tha Docks or the Tunnel site and must go onwards until the first available place is reached.
THERE IS a concerted move by the Local Authorities to shut EVERY layby coming from Dover in both routes, a golden chance for Husks at Lydden to charge, for very little in the way of facilities, but however they managed to get the nearby laybys blocked off. The next place at halfway house is full and overflowing by 7.00pm. Onwards to Boughton Filling Station where they stopped, and are now being CLAMPED to stop it happening, requiring carrying on, the slip road up and down was used. No longer, next from there is the parking area Marked up as such with signs which gets filled quickly . This is where I understand it happened to the last lorry in the queue but off the road. Look on Google Earth and you will see the problem.
In my trip to Gibraltar in the van last week I was impressed with how the French and Spanish cope with the problem also the Germans and Belgians, all these Countries HAVE PROPER PLACES and are free to use, with Toilets albeit not particulaly nice ones, but saving the use of bottles and plastic bags. This being the biggest moan the locals have about the lorry drivers.
UK will not, and do not, supply anything at all like that, and leave it to the privately owned Service areas to do it and overcharge greatly. £25 is probably how much an Eastern European driver gets paid for a days work. This situation needs to be changed. but, no doubt this accident will lead to more restriction on stopping anywhere and this layby being sealed off with Armco barrier like the others. It is an injusice that these drivers have to try and stay legal with the authorites trying their hardest to prohibit them.
Proper rest aras need to be made on the runk and motorway system not left to the Sharks of the Service area ripoff lobby.

UK will never and have never spent money on infrastructure,,,Except trying to waste BILLIONS on HS2&HS3,,Must be the worst country in Europe,,BUSBY.

 

[Dilbert]

UK will never and have never spent money on infrastructure,,,Except trying to waste BILLIONS on HS2&HS3,,Must be the worst country in Europe,,BUSBY.

Too right you're spot on busby.to be honest I'm getting cheesed off with some of the amateur drivers on here slagging off truck drivers maybe they should do a few years of 500 miles a day for some cheapskate transport company/ multinational logistics provider.

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[busby]

Too right you're spot on busby.to be honest I'm getting cheesed off with some of the amateur drivers on here slagging off truck drivers maybe they should do a few years of 500 miles a day for some cheapskate transport company/ multinational logistics provider.

What is worst than an amateur slagging you off is a retired highly qualified ex traffic cop saying he is superior because he has passed his HGV and done a course somewhere,,,BUSBY

 

[EX51SSS]

We had this debate a week or so ago. Just because one is a professional driver one is not better at it than somebody who is not. Once a bad driver always a bad driver. They just have more practise at it.

YOU may have had this debate a week ago but unfortunately I haven't the time to scour every thread to see what is pertinent or not.
I totally accept what you are saying about bad drivers etc. However, if you're doing 3 miles to the shops or 10 miles to work or even a little bit more and then home, you can see a fair bit of bad driving. I'm fact, walk out and see bad driving now.
However, you'd be a damn lucky (Probably greater odd at winning the lotto) if you drove 400/500 miles a day fairly consistently plus mileage in your own car and avoid accidents if you were such a bad driver. Personally, IMHO, you and lots of haters on here are getting swept up in the tide that wagon/coach/bus drivers are not good drivers but they're the ones who enable you to get and to from work. They're the ones who get fuel to the places so you can enjoy work and leisure time. They're the ones who supply supermarkets, food chains, clothing stores, shoe shops etc so you can live your life.
People get carried away in the belief that wagon drivers harm our roads and environment. We'll stop it NOW. Stop buying fuel, clothes, shoes, food. Do whatever it takes to reduce the wagons on the road and then see if you've got a job too because MOST jobs are reliant on wagons in one way or another.

 

[Robin McHood]

I would like them to come next week. Haha . Preferably by tomorrow morning.

You wouldn't wish that if you knew as much as I do about computer system failures and code errors....

 

[karalal]

At what speed do you enter an empty roadside layby from a busy road in daylight? Do you drive at the Highway Code recommended speed at night (no faster than that which allows you to stop within the spread of your dipped headlights)? I'm not suggesting that other circumstances will not come to light (unreasonable speed, DUI, etc) but based on the information so far available l cannot see why the car driver is in any way at fault.

Just wondering if you had seen the layby in question in one of the links

 

[Decker]

This thread is too long for me to keep reading but the one thing that really worried me is the fact that a driver assumes that anything in the carriageway would be lit.
We all know what assuming does!

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[robnchris]

I have nothing against truck drivers this country has for whatever reason decided to use them as the main form of transport for delivering our daily needs.

What I don`t understand it when some bullshit politician stands up and starts spouting about Global Warming and clean air, diesel cars are bad etc etc etc.
Have a look at the number of HGV`s on the roads causing huge tailbacks, damaging the roads and buildings, and lets be honest when a HGV has an accident people usually die.
They were evening talking about having remote controlled trucks so one driver and say three trailors, what madness is that, we already have that scenario but choose not to use it, it`s called a rail network.
One engine and one driver and hundreds of trailors, result less congestion and pollution.

 

[2657]

it`s called a rail network.
One engine and one driver and hundreds of trailors, result less congestion and pollution.

Coming to a high street near you soon????

 

[Ex-caravantugger]

YOU may have had this debate a week ago but unfortunately I haven't the time to scour every thread to see what is pertinent or not.
I totally accept what you are saying about bad drivers etc. However, if you're doing 3 miles to the shops or 10 miles to work or even a little bit more and then home, you can see a fair bit of bad driving. I'm fact, walk out and see bad driving now.
However, you'd be a damn lucky (Probably greater odd at winning the lotto) if you drove 400/500 miles a day fairly consistently plus mileage in your own car and avoid accidents if you were such a bad driver. Personally, IMHO, you and lots of haters on here are getting swept up in the tide that wagon/coach/bus drivers are not good drivers but they're the ones who enable you to get and to from work. They're the ones who get fuel to the places so you can enjoy work and leisure time. They're the ones who supply supermarkets, food chains, clothing stores, shoe shops etc so you can live your life.
People get carried away in the belief that wagon drivers harm our roads and environment. We'll stop it NOW. Stop buying fuel, clothes, shoes, food. Do whatever it takes to reduce the wagons on the road and then see if you've got a job too because MOST jobs are reliant on wagons in one way or another.

You haven’t the time to scour a post you contributed to 26 Times?

 

[Ex-caravantugger]

YOU may have had this debate a week ago but unfortunately I haven't the time to scour every thread to see what is pertinent or not.
I totally accept what you are saying about bad drivers etc. However, if you're doing 3 miles to the shops or 10 miles to work or even a little bit more and then home, you can see a fair bit of bad driving. I'm fact, walk out and see bad driving now.
However, you'd be a damn lucky (Probably greater odd at winning the lotto) if you drove 400/500 miles a day fairly consistently plus mileage in your own car and avoid accidents if you were such a bad driver. Personally, IMHO, you and lots of haters on here are getting swept up in the tide that wagon/coach/bus drivers are not good drivers but they're the ones who enable you to get and to from work. They're the ones who get fuel to the places so you can enjoy work and leisure time. They're the ones who supply supermarkets, food chains, clothing stores, shoe shops etc so you can live your life.
People get carried away in the belief that wagon drivers harm our roads and environment. We'll stop it NOW. Stop buying fuel, clothes, shoes, food. Do whatever it takes to reduce the wagons on the road and then see if you've got a job too because MOST jobs are reliant on wagons in one way or another.

Not sure, judging by the likes, why I am the villain here. I have not mentioned ‘truck drivers’ once whilst contributing to the two threads. The other being DVLA trying to get rid of older drivers. The one you contributed 26 times to. I did mention ‘car drivers’ once but in the main said ‘professional drivers’ of which I was one for over 30 years before taking a full-time desk job.
How you have got me down as a hater is a little strong don’t you think? I have chosen my words carefully so that I don’t victimise anyone. I suspect some raw nerves have been jangled for you and @busby by these threads. I’m sorry you got some raw deals during your working lives, but didn’t we all? Mike

 

[tacr2man]

I dont think any group has a monopoly on being poor/useless or down right dangerous from what Ive seen , and no matter how good you are luck plays a big part in surviving .

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