Oh dear! I've only gone and bought a Milk Float.

[bobnick]

IF and it's a bloody big IF i were to buy a leccy car i honestly wouldn't give a toss whether it was 5-7-10-12p a thing,
just get the bugger plugged in and forget it.

 

[OldAgeTravellers]

Sounds a fun household, the cold winter nights must just fly by!

I am sure it is a joke reply, but I can't see the joke. We don't have cold winter nights, our home is always very warm and has perfect humidity and we have had zero energy bills in the past two years, in fact, we are currently substantially in credit. If you think it is all a bit geeky, then yes, it is, but everything must have the WAF (Wife Approval Factor) before installation. she has just asked for her own dashboard so she can judge for herself when is the best time for the oven , washing machine etc.
We allneed a hobby of some kind Home Automation and Motorhoming are mine.

 

[dash300]

I am sure it is a joke reply, but I can't see the joke. We don't have cold winter nights, our home is always very warm and has perfect humidity and we have had zero energy bills in the past two years, in fact, we are currently substantially in credit. If you think it is all a bit geeky, then yes, it is, but everything must have the WAF (Wife Approval Factor) before installation. she has just asked for her own dashboard so she can judge for herself when is the best time for the oven , washing machine etc.
We allneed a hobby of some kind Home Automation and Motorhoming are mine.

Yes just a bit of humour.

 

[Platelet]

Car is only used as a shopping trolly so not bothering to fit EV charger.
We are with Octopus on Economy 7 tariff but our old fashioned timer is out so we get off peak during the day which saves us quite a bit.

Charging at 15p kw/h still only costs £3.25 to £3.80 per 100 miles depending on miles per kw, compared to £18 in the petrol car.

Slightly off topic, Lenny have you checked your smart meter to see if it’s the ones that are being switched off?

 

[Lenny HB]

Slightly off topic, Lenny have you checked your smart meter to see if it’s the ones that are being switched off?

Not got a smart meter, Electronic meter but old fashioned electromechanical time clock.

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[Guigsy]

Not got a smart meter, Electronic meter but old fashioned electromechanical time clock.

I heard something about the old Economy7 meters going obsolete in the near future because the radio signal they use for timing is being shut down???

 

[Lenny HB]

I heard something about the old Economy7 meters going obsolete in the near future because the radio signal they use for timing is being shut down???

How many more times have I got to say it, it has an Electromechanical Timer, no radio signal. That's why I get cheap lecky during the day because the time clock has slipped.

 

[BrochMike]

How many more times have I got to say it, it has an Electromechanical Timer, no radio signal. That's why I get cheap lecky during the day because the time clock has slipped.

Not sure it's a great idea to keep repeating (umpteen times!!), on a public forum, the fact you know you have a faulty installation and haven't told your supplier!

 

[Silver-Fox]

How many more times have I got to say it, it has an Electromechanical Timer, no radio signal. That's why I get cheap lecky during the day because the time clock has slipped.

Have you got a mech timer or a newer signal one

 

[KASPAR]

I'd wager it's a magnet Lenny has put on the meter, proper olde skool.

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[quentinsf]

Catching up on this thread a bit late...

My respect for the MG EVs went up considerably when I heard how James and Kate and co are generally very positive about them, and they have several with serious numbers of miles on them, and know a lot about EVs. One of theirs turned up on my driveway a few months back when they (Cleevely) came to service my Tesla. BTW, I can highly recommend their 'end of warranty service' if you have a car coming to the end of its warranty, like my Tesla did last year. They found lots of little things -- nothing major, but getting them fixed by Tesla for free just before the warranty ran out was very satisfying before they turned into bigger issues in a few years' time.

(I've been driving EVs for 10 years now and yes, their depreciation hasn't been great news for me, but it's been excellent for everyone else in my family who are now getting some lovely second-hand bargains!)

 

[Wanders from Glos]

It's 7p nationwide Lenny -> there isn't a regional difference -> it won't show the rate unless you tell them you have a compatible car or charger. You are talking about a different tariff (Go), not Intelligent Go, which needs a compatible Car or Charger (either or). That one is 7p ANYTIME, even if slow charging, and whole house gets rate whenever the car is on charge in effect, making it advantageous to plug in (as we did yesterday) when it's sunny so you get off-peak whilst you do the chores. I would not reccomend Go with it's fixed 8.5p rate times, as it's not as advatangeous as the Intellugent varient (which also ahs a fixed period, thats 2 hours longer (6 hours of guaranteed 7p every day + whenever charging).

You can also get a Ohme granny charger cable that enables the cheap rate on 10A chagring, but you are better doing a fixed install or the 32A commando one as they are similar money. MG's I don't believe (like my Kia) are not enabled for the rate on a by the car basis at moment, but Tesla, BMW and a couiple of other manufactuerers.

We make the majority of savings on non-car related electricity use given most weeks we get well over the 6 hours daily at 7p.

There are two off peak tariffs. Not everyone can get the 7p one. It depends on vehicle and charge unit.

 

[starquake]

There are two off peak tariffs. Not everyone can get the 7p one. It depend on vehicle and charge unit.

Exactly what I said, you need a compatible vehicle OR charger, and I would reccomend the charger route, as it means you can handle multiple vehicles even if some are incompatible.

You also need a smart meter for BOTH, as the tariff relies on half hour metering due to it's lower DnoS element in effect (lower distribution fees from your local DNO). Without one with Octopus would lose so much money it would be uneconomic, as the transmission costs from the grid alone are more than the 7p at times (which still are charged by the average use profile on a non-smart tariff, making a good propostion of your use charged at the higher peak usage rate).. (The tariff works in effect as the transmission costs are near nil when you on a smart meter at the weekend (or in evening on a weekday). It's why you are more likely to get daytime charging in effect on Intelligent Go in particular on Sat/Sun than on a Mon-Fri. And yes, I'm saying that with cheap charging tonight in the peak hours!.

In Lennys case Economy.7 off peak usage has lower fees, which is why E7 makes sense. But it is usualy made up for by a higher peak rate than the smart tariffs offer.

 

[Lenny HB]

Fitting a charger sounds like financial suicide to me. Just doesn't add with around £600 to fit a charger when I will probably only charge the car once a fortnight then take off the weeks we are away in the van I would be hard pushed to charge 20 times in a year.

 

[Guigsy]

There are two off peak tariffs. Not everyone can get the 7p one. It depends on vehicle and charge unit.

I thought everyone got the 12:30 to 04:30 tariff at 7p. But you needed a compatible car or charger to get the bonus hour from 11:30?

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[starquake]

I thought everyone got the 12:30 to 04:30 tariff at 7p. But you needed a compatible car or charger to get the bonus hour from 11:30?

It's 8.5p for those without the intelligent stuff.

And the intelligent stuff gets a lot more than the single bonus hour -> my own off peak is 11:30->5;30, so 2 extra hours guaranteed, and with a high base load that significantly improves the economics.

Interestingly the intelligent tariff often avoids teh 12:30 switch on for the less-smart version of the tariff presumably as there is a higher peak demand at 12:30 than at 11:30.

 

[lunarman]

Fitting a charger sounds like financial suicide to me. Just doesn't add with around £600 to fit a charger when I will probably only charge the car once a fortnight then take off the weeks we are away in the van I would be hard pushed to charge 20 times in a year.

You are right Lenny HB i have used a granny charger on a 13amp plug for the last 15 months without any problem covering 2500 miles. We do now have a charger fitted as part of deal when we bought a Dacia Spring for SWMBO. We didn't really need it but couldn't resist the deal.

 

[Bustup15]

C'mon Lenny HB

Get a diesel heater and solar panels fitted - you know you want to!

 

[Wanders from Glos]

I thought everyone got the 12:30 to 04:30 tariff at 7p. But you needed a compatible car or charger to get the bonus hour from 11:30?

No, it’s two different tariffs.

 

[Lenny HB]

C'mon Lenny HB

Get a diesel heater and solar panels fitted - you know you want to!

Just been looking at an electric tailgate mod but it's a hell of a lot of work.

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[Guigsy]

No, it’s two different tariffs.

Ok, I stand corrected. The Go tariff is 8.5p from 12:30pm to 05:30am if your car or charger isn't compatible.

Or Intelligent Go is 7p from 11:30pm to 05:30am if either your car or charger is compatible.

The compatibility thing wasn't that easy to figure out. I'm not sure I totally understand it. Basically I think they need to be able to manage your charging so they can prevent a massive demand spike when the low tariff starts. So either the car or the charger has to have the capability for Octopus to command it. My car isn't compatible, so I got an Ohme charger fitted, which is. So I say on my app that I want the car 80% charged by 7am. And it spreads out the planned charging so it'll be ready on time, with a bit of a margin. I'm not sure how it works if it's your car that's got the smarts?

 

[Minxy]

How many more times have I got to say it, it has an Electromechanical Timer, no radio signal. That's why I get cheap lecky during the day because the time clock has slipped.

Did it slip or was it pushed ...

 

[Wanders from Glos]

Ok, I stand corrected. The Go tariff is 8.5p from 12:30pm to 05:30am if your car or charger isn't compatible.

Or Intelligent Go is 7p from 11:30pm to 05:30am if either your car or charger is compatible.

The compatibility thing wasn't that easy to figure out. I'm not sure I totally understand it. Basically I think they need to be able to manage your charging so they can prevent a massive demand spike when the low tariff starts. So either the car or the charger has to have the capability for Octopus to command it. My car isn't compatible, so I got an Ohme charger fitted, which is. So I say on my app that I want the car 80% charged by 7am. And it spreads out the planned charging so it'll be ready on time, with a bit of a margin. I'm not sure how it works if it's your car that's got the smarts?

We just tell our charger what tariff we are on and it decides when to charge, that is between 00:30 and 5:30 at the moment. I am not comfortable about allowing Octopus the level of control the Go tariff requires, but anyway the Mercedes and charger won’t allow it. My concern is that as more people get EVs and demand rises, Octopus can control the extent of charge and it could be reduced just when I need a full charge.

 

[cyberyacht]

Very safe colour Lenny

At least he'll be able to find it in a car park.

 

[starquake]

We just tell our charger what tariff we are on and it decides when to charge, that is between 00:30 and 5:30 at the moment. I am not comfortable about allowing Octopus the level of control the Go tariff requires, but anyway the Mercedes and charger won’t allow it. My concern is that as more people get EVs and demand rises, Octopus can control the extent of charge and it could be reduced just when I need a full charge.

Thats how the Octopus tariff works. You tell them when you need to leave next and the percentage you want. They deliver that. They tell you when, and it can be during day on sunny weeks (like this week) meaning whole house gets 7p in day, soemtimes in peak hours.

Makes your entire house cheaper by a longshot.

There is also an override sheduling button in the app, but they never leave you short, overcharging (we normally end up 3% over the target we set) is the norm.

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[Ditcha]

All this electricity rate malarkey I just go to the fuel station and fill up with diesel job done

 

[h8ten]

Apparently you can upgrade the MBUX satnav to allow you to enter dimensions wether or not it's any better don't know.

I just checked for my 2021 Sprinter-based coachbuilt, which has MBUX installed, and it's not available for my vehicle.

 

[h8ten]

I thought everyone got the 12:30 to 04:30 tariff at 7p. But you needed a compatible car or charger to get the bonus hour from 11:30?

North of the border, we have an extra hour, so it's 23:30 to 05:30 for cheap rate, although if Octopus decides my car needs to be charged outwith these hours, then it is also at the cheap rate.

 

[Wh05apk]

I just checked for my 2021 Sprinter-based coachbuilt, which has MBUX installed, and it's not available for my vehicle.

Same here, looks like it may only be a "car" thing?

 

[Two on Tour]

North of the border, we have an extra hour, so it's 23:30 to 05:30 for cheap rate, although if Octopus decides my car needs to be charged outwith these hours, then it is also at the cheap rate.

Same here, way down south of the border.

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