MOT runs out while away

[vwalan]

Think yourselves lucky you only have to MOT once a year. Our Spanish reg Peugeot Partner (now over 10 years old) has to have an ITV twice a year. So even though we're not here during the summer we have to take it May and November. It's going on Wednesday!!!

Bite the bullet, get it done early and in a month you will always be in the UK.

in uk get a vehicle pre 1960 dont need one . soon vehicles over 40 yr old may not have to have them.

 

[pappajohn]

in uk get a vehicle pre 1960 dont need one . soon vehicles over 40 yr old may not have to have them.

Still doesn't stop you being prosecuted if the vehicle has any defects though.
The pen-pushers seem to think because a vehicle is a certain age it must be a serious enthusiasts vehicle and will be repaired BEFORE it breaks down negating the need for an MOT.
In many cases that's far from the truth..

 

[vwalan]

Still doesn't stop you being prosecuted if the vehicle has any defects though.
The pen-pushers seem to think because a vehicle is a certain age it must be a serious enthusiasts vehicle and will be repaired BEFORE it breaks down negating the need for an MOT.
In many cases that's far from the truth..

of course the vehicle has to be upto standard .a few years ago they reviewed the exemptions and stated that about 40,000 vehicles were in the exempt hgv classes .
that didnt cover the under 3,500kg exemptions .
that was in 2009/20010. there was a consultation document 40 pages available about it all.
mind its changing in may next year again .
all very interesting at the time .

 

[Minxy]

There is a BIG difference to driving a vehicle a short distance to a MOT station when the existing MOT has run out compared to using it on holiday out of the UK for a few months with no MOT, I really would NOT like to have to try to explain that to PC Plod if I get stopped coming back into the UK with a MOT that expired 3 months earlier! You could find in addition that you get done for having no insurance as a lot of policies now require the vehicle to be legal in it's home country, no MOT, maybe means no insurance ... no insurance = big fine! Worse still ... no insurance then have a prang ... no payout for the damage to your vehicle (unless other party at fault).

Is it REALLY worth the risk?

 

[Minxy]

thanks for your replies and welcomes, I will mot it early and lose a few months, just an inconvenience really runs out 10 days before we would return in june

Could you not alter your holiday dates?

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[Littlewheels]

I wouldn’t encourage anyone to break a Law,however, About three years ago in a previous MH I got stopped by the Police in Spain for cutting a L Driver up on a roundabout, I managed to do this in a 9m MH with Trailer and Toyota IQ in situ, they looked at all the Documents over a good half hour and I got a €200 fine reduced to €100 if paid on the spot, this I did obviously, fast forward 6 months or so and as I was returning to UK I noticed my Road Tax was out of date, when I tried to renew it I couldn’t as it needed a MOT!!!!!!!!! What!!! An MOT, it might seem strange to some but I hadn’t had a Vehicle long enough or old enough to need a MOT for Donkeys Years, and guess what? They MH didn’t even have an MOT even though it should have had one when I got Pulled and Fined by the Spanish Police.

So much for access to the DVLC Data Base and Impounded Vehicles, I booked it into a MOT station close to my arrival point in the UK, no problem and Taxed it for the onward journey in the UK.

Just Saying Anyway if the worst you do in Life is drive home to the UK without an MOT that your MH will probably walk through,who cares.

 

[airwave]

No, get it done before you leave?

I concur with that one . Just get it done , there's nothing to stop ya doing it , but if ya get caught without an mot abroad , fine's are steep and ya have to get the van back . I know of someone where exactly that is happening . Stay with me on this one , my mate's ex wife's , ex boyfriend , has a hymer in spain and he's been caught , arrested , and van in pounded . He was struggling to get the van released , when i found out about it . He's been forced to get it back here for an mot or loose it . The only way , is on another vehicle , he's tried every thing else , oh and he's facing a 1500 euro fine .

I've just had mine mot'd , but it's not due till feb . I'm future planning .

 

[Minxy]

I recall there was someone posting on this forum earlier this year I think about being stranded in Spain without an MOT and having palpitations about how to get it back to the UK and MOTed without being caught ... don't know what happened as he never reported back ... probably drove it but doesn't want to admit to it! Unless of course he's the Hymer owner above!

 

[Littlewheels]

I recall there was someone posting on this forum earlier this year I think about being stranded in Spain without an MOT and having palpitations about how to get it back to the UK and MOTed without being caught ... don't know what happened as he never reported back ... probably drove it but doesn't want to admit to it! Unless of course he's the Hymer owner above!

Absolutely, Hence my post! All the Scaremongers probably, He’s in hiding or “ Impounded “

 

[gus-lopez]

I drove all the way to UK in summer after the MOT ran out.

No kittens were harmed.

That's the least of your worries now that you are registered as "resident"

But it is legal to drive a vehicle in the UK with no MOT under specific circumstances, eg when taking the vehicle from the test centre after a failure to a pre-booked appointment for repair, when taking it to a pre-booked appointment at an approved MOT Test Centre, etc.
The latter of which was the question I was asking.

Yes,in the Uk. Won't wash in the EU if pulled & discovered.

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[tonyidle]

Wrong.
The OP asked about Spain, not Britain.
Here in Spain it is IS a criminal offence (ofensa contra el Codigo Penal) to drive, or indeed have you vehicle even simply parked, on any public highway, without the legally required certification of roadworthiness. In the case of a Spanish matriculated vehicle that's ITV; in the case of a guesting British matriculated vehicle that's MOT.
If caught without it in Spain you'd be prosecuted under the Codigo Penal.

Details of this and all current Spanish Road Traffic law and codigo penal at:
dgt.es

Ah well .............. that would mean I'd have to remember the original post .

 

[tonyidle]

A person driving a British registered vehicle in the UK without a required valid MOT is guilty of a criminal offence.
Section 47 of the Road Traffic Act 1988.
Present maximum penalty in criminal court:
Fine of up to £1,000 and an endorsement with 3 points on the licence. (Under special/aggravating circumstances the fine may be increased to up to £2,500 and up to 8 penalty points.)
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/47

This is Section 47:

47Obligatory test certificates.
(1)A person who uses on a road at any time, or causes or permits to be so used, a motor vehicle to which this section applies, and as respects which no test certificate has been issued within the appropriate period before that time, is guilty of an offence.

In this section and section 48 of this Act, the “appropriate period” means a period of twelve months or such shorter period as may be prescribed.

F1under the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 or any corresponding earlier legislation], not less than three years before that time, and

F2so registered],

being, in either case, motor vehicles other than goods vehicles which are required by regulations under section 49 of this Act to be submitted for a goods vehicle test.

M1Transport Act 1980), being a vehicle licensed to ply for hire, or

(c)an ambulance, that is to say, a motor vehicle which is constructed or adapted, and primarily used, for the carriage of persons to a place where they will receive, or from a place where they have received, medical or dental treatment, and which, by reason of design, marking or equipment is readily identifiable as a vehicle so constructed or adapted,

subsection (2)(a) above shall have effect as if for the period there mentioned there were substituted a period of one year.

F3(4)For the purposes of subsection (2)(b) above there shall be disregarded—

F4section 24 of the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994]] before it is registered by the Secretary of State under [F5section 21(2)] of that Act.

(5)This section does not apply to vehicles of such classes as may be prescribed.

(6)The Secretary of State may by regulations exempt from subsection (1) above the use of vehicles for such purposes as may be prescribed.

(7)The Secretary of State may by regulations exempt from subsection (1) above the use of vehicles in any such area as may be prescribed.

(8)For the purposes of this section the date of manufacture of a vehicle shall be taken to be the last day of the year during which its final assembly is completed, except where after that day modifications are made to the vehicle before it is sold or supplied by retail, and in that excepted case shall be taken to be the last day of the year during which the modifications are completed.

(9)The Secretary of State may by order made by statutory instrument direct that subsection (2) above shall have effect with the substitution, for three years (in both places), of such other period (not being more than ten years) as may be specified in the order.

An order under this subsection shall not have effect unless approved by resolution of each House of Parliament.

With no mention of 'criminal' or penalties?

 

[Gellyneck]

Yes,in the Uk. Won't wash in the EU if pulled & discovered.

If stopped \ fined guess you could have a strong legal case though as you are compliant with the regulations (if you wished to pursue it)!

 

[Wildbill]

This is Section 47:

47Obligatory test certificates.
(1)A person who uses on a road at any time, or causes or permits to be so used, a motor vehicle to which this section applies, and as respects which no test certificate has been issued within the appropriate period before that time, is guilty of an offence.

In this section and section 48 of this Act, the “appropriate period” means a period of twelve months or such shorter period as may be prescribed.

F1under the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 or any corresponding earlier legislation], not less than three years before that time, and

F2so registered],

being, in either case, motor vehicles other than goods vehicles which are required by regulations under section 49 of this Act to be submitted for a goods vehicle test.

M1Transport Act 1980), being a vehicle licensed to ply for hire, or

(c)an ambulance, that is to say, a motor vehicle which is constructed or adapted, and primarily used, for the carriage of persons to a place where they will receive, or from a place where they have received, medical or dental treatment, and which, by reason of design, marking or equipment is readily identifiable as a vehicle so constructed or adapted,

subsection (2)(a) above shall have effect as if for the period there mentioned there were substituted a period of one year.

F3(4)For the purposes of subsection (2)(b) above there shall be disregarded—

F4section 24 of the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994]] before it is registered by the Secretary of State under [F5section 21(2)] of that Act.

(5)This section does not apply to vehicles of such classes as may be prescribed.

(6)The Secretary of State may by regulations exempt from subsection (1) above the use of vehicles for such purposes as may be prescribed.

(7)The Secretary of State may by regulations exempt from subsection (1) above the use of vehicles in any such area as may be prescribed.

(8)For the purposes of this section the date of manufacture of a vehicle shall be taken to be the last day of the year during which its final assembly is completed, except where after that day modifications are made to the vehicle before it is sold or supplied by retail, and in that excepted case shall be taken to be the last day of the year during which the modifications are completed.

(9)The Secretary of State may by order made by statutory instrument direct that subsection (2) above shall have effect with the substitution, for three years (in both places), of such other period (not being more than ten years) as may be specified in the order.

An order under this subsection shall not have effect unless approved by resolution of each House of Parliament.

With no mention of 'criminal' or penalties?

You bet me to it @tonyidle

 

[airwave]

I recall there was someone posting on this forum earlier this year I think about being stranded in Spain without an MOT and having palpitations about how to get it back to the UK and MOTed without being caught ... don't know what happened as he never reported back ... probably drove it but doesn't want to admit to it! Unless of course he's the Hymer owner above!

To be honest , i dont know him that well . I only met him a few time's through Rona , he was actually the guy who was ultimately responsible for planting the seed's in me to taking this route , when he brought the hymer . They lived in it while they rebuilt Rona's house in andalucia . I learnt he was in the crapper about midway through , when he wanted Rona to send some paperwork , so i would guess it happened early august . I didn't even know they had separated . If it help's his name is Chris , but i ent got a clue what his second name is , not that it would help any .

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[gus-lopez]

If stopped \ fined guess you could have a strong legal case though as you are compliant with the regulations (if you wished to pursue it)!

No because you wouldn't be 'legal' in the UK only allowed to do it.
& here it wouldn't make any difference it is not legal to be without an Itv/mot/Tüv, contol technique , whatever.
You'd be more than welcome , after paying the fine/getting the vehicle transported out of spain as it wouldn't be allowed to be driven, to appeal the fine. After you've deposited the required 900€ they now require to 'appeal' any fines.
I don't think you get it back in the event of winning either.

 

[Yorick]

That's the least of your worries now that you are registered as "resident"

it's mot'd till August.

 

[Yorick]

When was the last time anybody on here was tugged by the feelth?

 

[jumartoo]

it's mot'd till August.

Now you'll need to get it ITV'd

 

[Yorick]

Now you'll need to get it ITV'd

No. No I won't.

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[Flamenca]

When was the last time anybody on here was tugged by the feelth?

Whilst driving from Javea to Santander through the night a few years ago I was stopped by the police twice. The second stop involved thorough examination of all my documents including MOT certificate. I was in my UK registered Landrover with a trailer. Fortunately, totally legal.

 

[Lot lover]

About 3 years ago - routine Sunday morning beer fund top-up by the Gendarmes, just checking paperwork. Had all mine and in order so they had to pick on A.N. Other.

About 10 years ago stopped by Customs and Gendarmes, latter for paperwork, former checking for red diesel in my C15.

In 2003, twice in a month just paperwork, I think that they were looking for WMDs. Very confused when presented with my 2 part UK licence, unable to comprehend the need for credit card and A4 sheet.

Does this mean I don't have an honest face?

 

[pyro]

You bet me to it @tonyidle

Beat me to it as well

I'm unable to find any reference to penalty points, albeit that the max fine can rise to £1,000 in the case of commercial vehicles etc

Anyone who drives around without an MOT who doesn't have a prearranged test is a menace and deserves prosecution AFAIC

 

[Yorick]

Beat me to it as well

I'm unable to find any reference to penalty points, albeit that the max fine can rise to £1,000 in the case of commercial vehicles etc

Anyone who drives around without an MOT who doesn't have a prearranged test is a menace and deserves prosecution AFAIC

People speeding are far more of a menace, but none of us on here never speed. Oh no, we are all little angels.

 

[Minxy]

People speeding are far more of a menace, but none of us on here never speed. Oh no, we are all little angels.

That's rather unfair, I don't think most people set out every time they drive with the intention of speeding but if they drive a vehicle without a MOT then they know that every time they use it they are in the wrong.

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[Yorick]

That's rather unfair, I don't think most people set out every time they drive with the intention of speeding but if they drive a vehicle without a MOT then they know that every time they use it they are in the wrong.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

 

[Minxy]

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

... I'll cast a snowball instead ... FIGHT !!!!!

 

[pyro]

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

If I recall correctly, I believe there was a comment about not starting a fight you couldn't finish made by someone only last night on this forum

 

[Yorick]

If I recall correctly, I believe there was a comment about not starting a fight you couldn't finish made by someone only last night on this forum

Riddles

 

[Minxy]

If I recall correctly, I believe there was a comment about not starting a fight you couldn't finish made by someone only last night on this forum

Don't worry ... I'll be gentle with him and only put a little bit of snow down his underpants!

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