mot and service history

monacosteve

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went for mot yesterday and was told they wouldnt commence the mot
without seeing the service history, when i told the guy i had never been asked
before i was told it had not been implemented very long.
Luckily i had service history up to date and motorhome sailed through.

Steve
 

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All of my vehicle no longer have main dealer history and RV none at all although did speak to the previous owner in the States.
 
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monacosteve

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Might be worth getting some paperwork together before next mot.

Steve
 

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Hi Steve ..

AFAIK there is nothing in the MOT test that says you need to show service history .. if that were the case thousands of cars would fail.. I think this guy was having you on .. or tested you as an HGV ? perhaps Geo will enlighten us
 
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well i also was asked for service history on my kangoo in jan the guy wanted proof that
my cambelt had been done.
Steve
 

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went for mot yesterday and was told they wouldnt commence the mot
without seeing the service history, when i told the guy i had never been asked
before i was told it had not been implemented very long.
Luckily i had service history up to date and motorhome sailed through.

Steve
I'd have taken my business elsewhere. I've never heard of such nonsense. Service history doesn't prove a damn thing (easily faked and often the first things to disappear when left inside vehicles at an auction).
 
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monacosteve

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I didnt say the guy who did my motorhome was going to fail me, he just said he
would like to see it before it commences.

Steve
 
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wish i could go somwhere else but the ministry in plymouth wont do yanks
anymore
 

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I didnt say the guy who did my motorhome was going to fail me, he just said he
would like to see it before it commences.

Steve
went for mot yesterday and was told they wouldnt commence the mot
without seeing the service history,when i told the guy i had never been asked
before i was told it had not been implemented very long.
Luckily i had service history up to date and motorhome sailed through.

Steve
but your first post implied it was a pre condition of the MOT, and it had just been implemented..

So if you had refused he would have refused to test ?

sounds like he needs reporting to VOSA or whoever governs the MOT
 

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as monacosteve has said...they normally only need to know when the timing belt was changed but then only on a diesel engined vehicle.

the engine is revved to the governer a number of times to get the emmisions reading......the opposite to a petrol engine which is taken on tickover.

not 100% sure but if the belt breaks during the test you may have a claim against the tester for a wrecked motor.

if the belt is due renewal the tester can, and will, refuse to test.

just spoke to my bro, an mot tester, and as far as he's aware it comes into force in 2012 when the mot will be every two years as opposed to one year,
the untested year will rely on the vehicle being properly serviced at that service interval.

im sure Geo can either confirm or refuke this. either way my bro's garage dont both now providing the customer can verify, verbaly or writen, when the belt was renewed, if applicable
 

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Ah.......sounds like an HGV job then? Though would have thought a place the size of Plymouth had that facility?

Even near where i live there is an HGV station out in the 'back of beyond'!
ministry testing stations dont only test HGV's.:Doh:

they test cars, buses, trucks and artic trailers and probably motorbikes.
 
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Thanks for that info.
so will they be asking for service info in the future at mot stations.
Or is it just were i am taking my motohome even when i rung to book it in
he asked to bring it.
are they just covering there backs if something goes wrong.
Steve
 

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as monacosteve has said...they normally only need to know when the timing belt was changed but then only on a diesel engined vehicle.

the engine is revved to the governer a number of times to get the emmisions reading......the opposite to a petrol engine which is taken on tickover.

not 100% sure but if the belt breaks during the test you may have a claim against the tester for a wrecked motor.

if the belt is due renewal the tester can, and will, refuse to test.

just spoke to my bro, an mot tester, and as far as he's aware it comes into force in 2012 when the mot will be every two years as opposed to one year,
the untested year will rely on the vehicle being properly serviced at that service interval.

im sure Geo can either confirm or refuke this. either way my bro's garage dont both now providing the customer can verify, verbaly or writen, when the belt was renewed, if applicable

This is fair enough, but the first post was still very misleading... and the cam belt was only mentioned in the next post about the kangoo.

Also, large diesels generally don't have timing belts .. mine, a Cummins has gears and a chain..
 
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This is fair enough, but the first post was still very misleading... and the cam belt was only mentioned in the next post about the kangoo.

Also, large diesels generally don't have timing belts .. mine, a Cummins has gears and a chain..
mines a cummins but he still asked for service history
 

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ministry testing stations dont only test HGV's.:Doh:

they test cars, buses, trucks and artic trailers and probably motorbikes.
Well you wont get the HGV station where i live doing cars or motorbikes John!

But it does make sense to me that an HGV testing station would have the facility to test a sizeable/heavy RV.....unlike one doing cars etc where the 4 poster simply wouldn't have the capability.


However........here's your answer
in plymouth they will only do hgv
 
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will ring said garage again tomorrow and find out why he needed to see service history,
and will let you know tomorrow.
steve
 

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Well you wont get the HGV station where i live doing cars or motorbikes John!
maybe, but i never said HGV station....i said MINISTRY testing station.

the one in scarborough does as my bro's suggested it to me in the past.:thumb:

at a price you can use their weighbridge as well.
 

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Don't quite see the point here Jim.

My 3 series BMW didn't have a timing belt either......it's chain driven same as yours.
It was the reason given for asking to see service history before testing, if the belt hasn't been changed at the correct service interval the MOT can be refused..

My point was that this didn't apply if you have gear and chain .. so there is no valid reason to ask to see service history..

went for mot yesterday and was told they wouldnt commence the mot
without seeing the service history,

but the cambelt issue was added later , it wasn't part of the first post


i also was asked for service history on my kangoo in jan the guy wanted proof that
my cambelt had been done.

The main point is this

Service history is NOT part of the MOT as implied by the first post, they may ask to see it but it's not a condition or requirement.
 

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MoT testing stations should take all actions possible to ensure the vehicle is fit to test, this particular station chose to ask for proof, around here you would turn more vehicles away than you'd test if we applied that system, in this case it was the MOT stations own rules that were being applied, failure to prove fitness to test if asked is a reason to refuse to test, along with many other legitimate reasons
We rely on showing the "diesel testing literature" as supplied by vosa, to the customer and assume that they understand the implications of telling us that their vehicle is fit to test,
The Mot testing station has always been responsible for damaged caused too a customers vehicle,
Engine failure due to carrying out a diesel test can not be attributed to the tester if all the relevant info is obtained prior to the test, IE is your car fit to test, is its service history up to date and has the cam belt been changed at the reqd interval?? a verbal yes will do
But we work in the real world don't we, and often this system is over looked and the Mot station is leaving its self open to a claim,BUT rest assured if you do lodge a claim you had better hope your paperwork is bang up to date, and that will mean producing all reciepts,invoices and service documents, as all the powers that be will be brought in, to refute that the damage was caused by the emissions test procedure
if found that it was, then were would that leave vosa, they invented it!!:Eeek: you may remember a few years ago just after the introduction of diesel tests, diesel smoke tests were suspended for a while after a few engines blew,:Doh:, but it was determined by the government and vosa that it was more likely to be lack of engine maintenance and servicing that was at fault rather than the procedure its self , and full testing was re instated.

My information is that the push for two year testing has been quietly dropped, in favour of applying the effort and funds reqd to other departments and plans
Geo
 
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Thank you for clearing up that issue,
the garage i was refering to deals with a lot of coaches, so i guess there covering themselves , because any claim against them would be a very expensive one.

Thanks again Steve
 

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maybe, but i never said HGV station....i said MINISTRY testing station.the one in scarborough does as my bro's suggested it to me in the past.:thumb:
at a price you can use their weighbridge as well.
John....not wishing to 'split hairs' but i would have thought you realised the reason i made reference to "HGV" was pretty obvious?

This guy has an RV. You have one too so will know they are just a tad bigger and heavier than a family saloon car.

So a MINISTRY of Transport (MOT) testing station specialising in HGV's would have the capability to take a large and heavy RV that a MINISTRY of Transport testing station more commonly found at town Garages would not. Simply for the sole reason of size and lift capacity.
 

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MoT testing stations should take all actions possible to ensure the vehicle is fit to test, this particular station chose to ask for proof, around here you would turn more vehicles away than you'd test if we applied that system, in this case it was the MOT stations own rules that were being applied, failure to prove fitness to test if asked is a reason to refuse to test, along with many other legitimate reasons

We rely on showing the "diesel testing literature" as supplied by vosa, to the customer and assume that they understand the implications of telling us that their vehicle is fit to test,
Couldn't agree more with the section of your quote i've highlighted. I'd have thought it extremely difficult, if not nigh on impossible to implement.

For example.....how would someone go on for a pre MOT on a vehicle they have recently purchased with no known previous history?

Asking a customer for service records is an absolute non-starter!
 
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