Morelo For Beginners (1 Viewer)

[funflair]

Martin

Have you thought of the new MH being quarantined because it has one Chinese chip in it?

[Hush your mouth Geoff ]

I did wonder how many Chinese components there are? solar and electronics?

Martin

 

[Blue Knight]

My Money is on NOT although we have booked the ferry hopefully they won't shut the borders before we get out end of March.

Martin

....but you have to go. It's in the rules:

Rule 27 sub section c: Martin, in his capacity as a MHF Representative, will endeavour to attend all Morelo meetings, conferences and shows, within the territorial limits of Germany, including all sub-territories of said country, and will accept risk of ailment, injury and/or disease, if needed, in the interests of the greater Morelo fraternity.

I read this yesterday somewhere - for sure.

........so off you go.

P.S. Can have your van if things don't work out well, cough-cough!

 

[Blue Knight]

Team,

Nicky and I are hoping to make the 400-mile trip to Travelworld on Wed or Thu to check out the N&B range and I'm after a few pre-trip pointers before we arrive please. I'm trying to establish an apples-for-apples comparison between the various UK-based vans for sale. (BTW, We'll be visiting Portsmouth in the first week of April to check out the Concorde dealer).

Note-1: TW has at least three MY19 Flairs on its forecourt to inspect (920LF @ £222K; 920EK @ £216K and 830LE @ £200K).

Note-2: Premium has the three MY20 vans - the Palace 93MB @ £302K; Loft 79L @ £257K and Home 82LS @ £221K.

......so may I ask why the windscreen costs are so different. Is it simply to do with manufacturing years (Flairs = MY19 v Morelos = MY20), hence the reduction in price, or is it that the Flairs, or the specific models of Flair displayed at TW are considered to be a slightly lower status/spec level than one or two of the Morelo vans at Doncaster.

I do appreciate the point mentioned previously that Premium bought its vans on a €1.10 exchange rate but I'm certain that the TW stock would have been ordered on a very similiar basis too.

Many thanks,

Andrew

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[jongood]

I don't know if you ve been in a newer type flair Andrew? Lovely motorhomes but the achilles heel is the kitchen, they are tiny in all but one model, they havent had the lovely kitchen Martins had for a long time now.

If you re going to TW, why not have a look at this, 2 junctions down the M6

https://www.goeuropean.co.uk/used/motorhomes/carthago/liner-1/l65-le n

Not everyones cup of tea but a lot of motorhome for a 3rd of the price.

Jon

 

[sallylillian]

N+B have a different policy on foreign exchange. They set a rate, normally advantageous, and that is the rate that TW get for the year. I do not know the anniversary date for reset.
As to comparison I have had both. The N+B is amazing value for money and an excellent van that is a good buy. However you can just feel a better design and build in the Morelo Palace of equivalent size to the Flair. That said if I was looking at a Daily chassied van it would be a difficult call at 9.2 metres.
TW can and will be your severest test however.
Michael

 

[jongood]

Tbf Michael, southdowns have plenty of detractors.

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[sallylillian]

Tbf Michael, southdowns have plenty of detractors.

I know I am one but with an incomplete experience as try as I may I never could get a quote.?

 

[funflair]

Team,

Nicky and I are hoping to make the 400-mile trip to Travelworld on Wed or Thu to check out the N&B range and I'm after a few pre-trip pointers before we arrive please. I'm trying to establish an apples-for-apples comparison between the various UK-based vans for sale. (BTW, We'll be visiting Portsmouth in the first week of April to check out the Concorde dealer).

Note-1: TW has at least three MY19 Flairs on its forecourt to inspect (920LF @ £222K; 920EK @ £216K and 830LE @ £200K).

Note-2: Premium has the three MY20 vans - the Palace 93MB @ £302K; Loft 79L @ £257K and Home 82LS @ £221K.

......so may I ask why the windscreen costs are so different. Is it simply to do with manufacturing years (Flairs = MY19 v Morelos = MY20), hence the reduction in price, or is it that the Flairs, or the specific models of Flair displayed at TW are considered to be a slightly lower status/spec level than one or two of the Morelo vans at Doncaster.

I do appreciate the point mentioned previously that Premium bought its vans on a €1.10 exchange rate but I'm certain that the TW stock would have been ordered on a very similiar basis too.

Many thanks,

Andrew

Hi Andrew

I don't think Premium have bought at that rate as a note on the Palace advert says, Sold in Euro, GBP for illustration at 1.10 conversion so really they are doing themselves no favours as far as perception is concerned so at todays rubbish rate of 1.16 its only £283k for the Palace and at 1.25 sometimes in the future its only £263k, I say "only" because it's £20k to £40k in your pocket

The loft would be £241k at todays 1.16, so OK they are both still dearer than the Flair 920's but they are 2019 models so will already be discounted to some degree and the MORELO are showing at full price, add to that the Flair will cost a little less to put together as they use the original IVECO dashboard just moved up and forward.

I have just done a quick configuration with the N+B price list and a Flair came out at £233,500 quite easily, I don't know exactly how TW buy their van but in previous years they have had a fixed exchange rate from Hymer so they can work on a fixed £ price

It will be interesting though for you to make the comparison between C M and N+B it will deffo be worth a coffee to hear your findings

Martin

 

[funflair]

N+B have a different policy on foreign exchange. They set a rate, normally advantageous, and that is the rate that TW get for the year. I do not know the anniversary date for reset.
As to comparison I have had both. The N+B is amazing value for money and an excellent van that is a good buy. However you can just feel a better design and build in the Morelo Palace of equivalent size to the Flair. That said if I was looking at a Daily chassied van it would be a difficult call at 9.2 metres.
TW can and will be your severest test however.
Michael

Agree with that Michael and you can tell I have been on 40 minutes compiling my reply on the same subject, I think the rate is set at Dusseldorf in 8 years of N+B ownership the only time we went to TW was to drink their wine at an open weekend or to have a nose around.

As Jon says above the kitchen was a big one for us and I think the Palace looks more modern and spacious inside.

Martin

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[CazPaul]

I don't know if you ve been in a newer type flair Andrew? Lovely motorhomes but the achilles heel is the kitchen, they are tiny in all but one model, they havent had the lovely kitchen Martins had for a long time now.

If you re going to TW, why not have a look at this, 2 junctions down the M6

https://www.goeuropean.co.uk/used/motorhomes/carthago/liner-1/l65-le n

Not everyones cup of tea but a lot of motorhome for a 3rd of the price.

Jon

Lovely Jon and fully loaded too with accessories
Also camper UK had a nice used Carthago S plus for sale a while back, manual though. I think it was 99 grand.

 

[Blue Knight]

I don't know if you ve been in a newer type flair Andrew? Lovely motorhomes but the achilles heel is the kitchen, they are tiny in all but one model, they havent had the lovely kitchen Martins.....

Thanks Jon but I've not been in a Flair so it's all new to me.

Your link was very useful but I'm going to keep the the checks to Morelo, Concorde, RS, N&B (Flair + Arto) plus a sneaky visit to Frankia Platin, or else my head will continue to spin if I have any more to look at

 

[Blue Knight]

N+B have a different policy on foreign exchange. They set a rate, normally advantageous, and that is the rate that TW get for the year. I do not know the anniversary date for reset.
As to comparison I have had both. The N+B is amazing value for money and an excellent van that is a good buy. However you can just feel a better design and build in the Morelo Palace of equivalent size to the Flair. That said if I was looking at a Daily chassied van it would be a difficult call at 9.2 metres.
TW can and will be your severest test however.
Michael

You're a really useful guy to have around Michael as you can compare first hand which is fantatsic for me and the other newbies.

I've had a few conversations with folk, including the odd dozen email and reviews here and there and it seems that TW is a right arrogant bunch of wotsits to deal with.

Personally speaking I won't give 2-quid to a coffee vendor if I don't think they deserve my money so dealing with TW could be a real push for me.

Your info is always much appreciated.

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[Blue Knight]

Hi Andrew

I don't think Premium have bought at that rate as a note on the Palace advert says, Sold in Euro, GBP for illustration at 1.10 conversion so really they are doing themselves no favours as far as perception is concerned so at todays rubbish rate of 1.16 its only £283k for the Palace and at 1.25 sometimes in the future its only £263k, I say "only" because it's £20k to £40k in your pocket

The loft would be £241k at todays 1.16, so OK they are both still dearer than the Flair 920's but they are 2019 models so will already be discounted to some degree and the MORELO are showing at full price, add to that the Flair will cost a little less to put together as they use the original IVECO dashboard just moved up and forward.

I have just done a quick configuration with the N+B price list and a Flair came out at £233,500 quite easily, I don't know exactly how TW buy their van but in previous years they have had a fixed exchange rate from Hymer so they can work on a fixed £ price

It will be interesting though for you to make the comparison between C M and N+B it will deffo be worth a coffee to hear your findings

Martin

A great post as usual Martin and a coffee will be most definitely on the cards.

The exchange rate has certainly taken a fall and on the Palace alone it works out to be a 5-figures loss in 4-days.

Premium will have a margin to reduce its final invoice but even so that's still a chunk of money away from the the N&B cost, albeit as you mentioned there is the MY difference to consider too.

In your opinion (and Michael too sallylillian) would you consider the in-stock Loft 79 to be more or less on the same par as the N&B 920LF/EK in terms of value and spec?

Thanks again Martin,

Andrew

 

[Blue Knight]

P.S. There's also a 2018 RHD Morelo Home 82LS at TW for sale @ £170K so someone has obviously had a change of heart.

 

[sallylillian]

Andrew I never did any comparisons of those models as I was only looking for a slide out solution, Martin is your man as he did and is probably composing a thesis as I write.?

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[jongood]

You're a really useful guy to have around Michael as you can compare first hand which is fantatsic for me and the other newbies.

I've had a few conversations with folk, including the odd dozen email and reviews here and there and it seems that TW is a right arrogant bunch of wotsits to deal with.

Personally speaking I won't give 2-quid to a coffee vendor if I don't think they deserve my money so dealing with TW could be a real push for me.

Your info is always much appreciated.

I woudnt be too hard on TW Andrew. Ross is a nice guy and he's invested a lot of money and rightly proud at Stafford, if you re not getting the responses you want I suggest you ask for him.

 

[sallylillian]

I woudnt be too hard on TW Andrew. Ross is a nice guy, if you re not getting the responses you want I suggest you ask for him.

Good luck with that.

 

[nicholsong]

Gentlemen please keep this discussion going as there is a lot of well-informed information sharing here, which i value as when I get my Polish licence with its requirement for only a C1 medical every 5 years I am more likely to be in the market.

Geoff

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[jongood]

Good luck with that.

Have you fallen out Michael? He gave me a tour of the new premises last time I was there

 

[funflair]

Andrew I never did any comparisons of those models as I was only looking for a slide out solution, Martin is your man as he did and is probably composing a thesis as I write.?

Sorry to disappoint Michael but I had to replace the seals on a tap in the kitchen at home and have lunch, back at it now but the sun is shining so I might have to take another 45minute break.

Martin

 

[funflair]

A great post as usual Martin and a coffee will be most definitely on the cards.

The exchange rate has certainly taken a fall and on the Palace alone it works out to be a 5-figures loss in 4-days.

Premium will have a margin to reduce its final invoice but even so that's still a chunk of money away from the the N&B cost, albeit as you mentioned there is the MY difference to consider too.

In your opinion (and Michael too sallylillian) would you consider the in-stock Loft 79 to be more or less on the same par as the N&B 920LF/EK in terms of value and spec?

Thanks again Martin,

Andrew

Hi Andrew

Although on the face of it they might be similar in detail they are completely different vans, if you are spending £200k+ you are not going to skimp for another £20k or so so I wouldn't get too hung up on relative value or not. The Loft 79 is the F version so French bed which gives a nice bathroom a good kitchen and decent roomy lounge available in twin sofas or bar version all this comes in just over 8 metres so if that matters you have to like the other bits, like the garage space taken away at the end of the bed and the fact that the F bed is a bit like a bed in a box room, If size doesn't matter the Flair 920 is a cracking van but again there are compromises like for us the kitchen is too small and the van is too big at over 9 metres.

I think you need to decide what size would work for you and then decide what is important kitchen, bathroom, bedroom, garage as for sure something has to give and only you can say what that is.

And just to throw another spanner in the works, here is a lovely VARIO-mobil at 8.25m

Martin

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[jongood]

Hi Andrew

Although on the face of it they might be similar in detail they are completely different vans, if you are spending £200k+ you are not going to skimp for another £20k or so so I wouldn't get too hung up on relative value or not. The Loft 79 is the F version so French bed which gives a nice bathroom a good kitchen and decent roomy lounge available in twin sofas or bar version all this comes in just over 8 metres so if that matters you have to like the other bits, like the garage space taken away at the end of the bed and the fact that the F bed is a bit like a bed in a box room, If size doesn't matter the Flair 920 is a cracking van but again there are compromises like for us the kitchen is too small and the van is too big at over 9 metres.

I think you need to decide what size would work for you and then decide what is important kitchen, bathroom, bedroom, garage as for sure something has to give and only you can say what that is.

And just to throw another spanner in the works, here is a lovely VARIO-mobil at 8.25m

Martin

Which one are you looking at Martin? These are all 500K

 

[funflair]

Which one are you looking at Martin? These are all 500K

Star 800 Jon, it’s 5k under, on a Merc as well.

Martin

 

[CazPaul]

We've moved into the half million price bracket now, I'm going to ask for more overtime lol

Seriously though, I'd i had the brass the Vario would be my choice, after going around the factory

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[supervario]

Cheap as chips at 500k get one bought Jon

 

[Littlewheels]

You're a really useful guy to have around Michael as you can compare first hand which is fantatsic for me and the other newbies.

I've had a few conversations with folk, including the odd dozen email and reviews here and there and it seems that TW is a right arrogant bunch of wotsits to deal with.

Personally speaking I won't give 2-quid to a coffee vendor if I don't think they deserve my money so dealing with TW could be a real push for me.

Your info is always much appreciated.

Have you fallen out Michael? He gave me a tour of the new premises last time I was there

Again personally speaking I have issues with TW a bad experience with my Flair some years ago and a year or so ago with a purchase.

They do have course have the Dealerships for N+B and Hymer etc all well respected,however, the buying experience is nothing more than you get in a Car Dealership along with all the Bullchit in the negotiations, I’ll speak to my manager etc etc etc.

People that buy Motorhomes become quite passionate about them ( some name them for @@@@ sake) and just read the love of our passion on this forum.

I don’t want a Car buying experience thank you, I had to resist being extremely annoyed with the salesman but stuck with it because they had a MH I wanted.

 

[gus-lopez]

We've moved into the half million price bracket now,

First one I saw was 1,3 million euros

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[funflair]

First one I saw was 1,3 million euros

Times are hard now

Martin

 

[Blue Knight]

Hi Andrew

Although on the face of it they might be similar in detail they are completely different vans, if you are spending £200k+ you are not going to skimp for another £20k or so so I wouldn't get too hung up on relative value or not. The Loft 79 is the F version so French bed which gives a nice bathroom a good kitchen and decent roomy lounge available in twin sofas or bar version all this comes in just over 8 metres so if that matters you have to like the other bits, like the garage space taken away at the end of the bed and the fact that the F bed is a bit like a bed in a box room, If size doesn't matter the Flair 920 is a cracking van but again there are compromises like for us the kitchen is too small and the van is too big at over 9 metres.

I think you need to decide what size would work for you and then decide what is important kitchen, bathroom, bedroom, garage as for sure something has to give and only you can say what that is.

And just to throw another spanner in the works, here is a lovely VARIO-mobil at 8.25m

Martin

Hi Martin, some tip-top info but I checked the Vario 800 out on mobile.de and the first one advertised at €550K. I would definitely need a swimming pool for that money too

That said, I could always go halves with Paul CazPaul and then we can keep it up here in Durham.

In all honesty I'm now beginning to formulate a good idea of van size, functional spec, type of usage, etc, that we would want the van to fulfil but, checking the N&B vans and the Morelos on the same day next week will be a very useful exercise.

Nicky and I are looking to pop down on Tuesday if the weather holds out.

Will report back,

All the best,

Andrew

 

[Blue Knight]

Again personally speaking I have issues with TW a bad experience with my Flair some years ago and a year or so ago with a purchase.

They do have course have the Dealerships for N+B and Hymer etc all well respected,however, the buying experience is nothing more than you get in a Car Dealership along with all the Bullchit in the negotiations, I’ll speak to my manager etc etc etc.

People that buy Motorhomes become quite passionate about them ( some name them for @@@@ sake) and just read the love of our passion on this forum.

I don’t want a Car buying experience thank you, I had to resist being extremely annoyed with the salesman but stuck with it because they had a MH I wanted.

Thanks Littlewheels, I've now heard that a few times so the addition of your very honest comments and experiences just reaffirm my initial thoughts of TW. If nothing else I'll now visit TW just for the experience.

As you say though, if they have the van you want then bite your tongue accordingly but, that being said, I'll now need to practice the technique in the mirror before dealing with their sales team.

I'll start the conversation with the sales guy by asking which one of the Flairs he owns That should break the ice!

Thanks again, very useful indeed,

Andrew

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