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I seen that on facebook a few months ago ...i believe campra have been contacting that council.
 
With the vast numbers bought recently and the behaviour of some van owners in general with regards to parking etc the reputation of owners is at an all time low This feeling is only just beginning to be shown by Councils throughout the Country By next Spring an awful lot more will have got there defences in place, and understandably so It is a terribly sad state of affairs but it is what it is, no quick fix
 
dickydo said:
no quick fix
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There are laws already to control the behaviour of the "few" who abuse the system. What IS lacking is the will to ENFORCE. Local (and national) Bureaucracy has but two answers. Either Ban/put up barriers or make extortionate charges for all.

It will continue until the Authorities get the "cojones". And start to target those blatantly taking the proverbial.

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PeteH said:
There are laws already to control the behaviour of the "few" who abuse the system. What IS lacking is the will to ENFORCE. Local (and national) Bureaucracy has but two answers. Either Ban/put up barriers or make extortionate charges for all.

It will continue until the Authorities get the "cojones". And start to target those blatantly taking the proverbial.
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From the article referenced by the OP the complaints seem to be about MHs parking in Car Parks where there are currently no restrictions.

If Joe Public cannot do that we are all lost - car drivers included.

Geoff
 
Just smiffy said:
It would be just as cheep to put in a payment system for over night then to fit barriers.... some people just don’t like campers...🙁
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No one likes campers getting a freebie. From article:
"It’s obviously a problem and it’s something we’ve got to keep an eye on because it’s a cheap overnight stay for them.”
 
The issue surely is perceived camping as opposed to overnight resting. If I want to camp I would look for a campsite. However when I want a overnight rest stop? That becomes a different issue as current UK law sees it, I can park, but not sleep in my parked vehicle. Sorry about the popcorn chaps. But this has been done to death, both here an on many other websites, faceache etc.

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PeteH said:
The issue surely is perceived camping as opposed to overnight resting. If I want to camp I would look for a campsite. However when I want a overnight rest stop? That becomes a different issue as current UK law sees it, I can park, but not sleep in my parked vehicle. Sorry about the popcorn chaps. But this has been done to death, both here an on many other websites, faceache etc.
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I do not think that is the issue here at all. The compainants are objecting to them parking in places where the police and council have both said there are no restrictions.

Geoff
 
nicholsong said:
I do not think that is the issue here at all. The compainants are objecting to them parking in places where the police and council have both said there are no restrictions.

Geoff
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Its simply curtain twitchers who hate the thought of anyone getting something for free
 
Had you considered none of us have a "right" to park in a street.
Obstruction is the way enforcement can view it.
We have a fundamental difference in law between in particular France, our is wedded to liability of the provider, this discourages authorities, in France it's your decision that counts, it's your liability.
I live not far from the Channel Tunnel, in Folkestone the council has banned overnight stops near the seafront. Complaints from residences it seems, local view point used by MH overnight near me is under fire on health grounds, use the common in an inappropriate manner, or so I am informed.
I have seen parking wardens out at 23:00 to ticket vehicles recently, very new occurrence.
Regretfully a tide yet to be pushed back
 
old-mo said:
It will be a shame if this spot goes the same as a lot of others are going...:frowny:

Tis a beautiful place to stay...

Why don`t these councils earn a few quid and charge a small fee for over nighting..?

www.northumberlandgazette.co.uk

Concerns have been raised about camper vans parking overnight in a Northumberland village

Concerns have been raised about the number of camper vans spending the night in a Northumberland coastal village.
www.northumberlandgazette.co.uk www.northumberlandgazette.co.uk
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It is a lovely village so why they don’t exploit the situation and charge a nightly fee I don’t know.. confine the campers to a specific area and the problem is solved
 
Northernraider said:
Its simply curtain twitchers who hate the thought of anyone getting something for free
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Human nature, of course people will be put out if one group is getting something for free and another isn’t. Look at the furlough, look at the division that’s caused. If you don’t think that it’s because you have loads of money or are the one getting it free. Not rocket science.

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The article does not mention any misdemeanours just the fact motorhomes are there and overnighting .
In a seafront situation numbers of large white vehicles don’t look very pretty and often block the outlook for residents, not a problem with the odd one but several especially when camping will annoy locals.
I live on a seafront where all parking is free and only ever get the odd one or two motorhomes parked up so never a problem but if many were there that would rankle a few locals I don’t doubt so I understand the resistance when this happens.
New restrictions signs have recently been added here limiting parking to 24 hours with no camping.
 
Ivory55 said:
Human nature, of course people will be put out if one group is getting something for free and another isn’t. Look at the furlough, look at the division that’s caused. If you don’t think that it’s because you have loads of money or are the one getting it free. Not rocket science.
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Not always about getting something free, in an area where locals possibly pay an excess in rates due to the location a number of white vans blocking scenic views might well be a fair reason to get on the phone.
 
I'm looking for a reduction in my council tax, we have all the parking for the doctors the pharmacy and the primary school down our little close. :unsure: :mad: Spoils my view on my neighbours collection of cars! :rofl:
 
PeteH said:
I'm looking for a reduction in my council tax, we have all the parking for the doctors the pharmacy and the primary school down our little close. :unsure: :mad: Spoils my view on my neighbours collection of cars! :rofl:
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You may jest, things like that happen or residential parking only.
 
Ivory55 said:
You may jest, things like that happen or residential parking only.
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I arnt joking about the parkers. They start to turn up at 07-30, Doctors staff they are there all day, the pharmacy, they start about 8am, again all day parking. Then come 09-45ish all the "Wags" roll up in their 4WD`s, Beemers, Mercs Et-al and pull one child out of the road side of the vehicle whilst all the traffic bombs past, walks 100ys to school entrance. then back turns round, almost always using my drive as turning head. Repeat programme at 3 -30. In the interim, (pre lockdown anyway) All the doctors Patient`s park as close to the corner (even ON the corner) so they don`t have to walk.

This is 5 days a week. It was relative heaven during lockdown!! next to no cars at all!.

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We have parking on the sea front. Four motorhomes have been here for weeks, but may be residents, however parking with two wheels on the pavement to level smacks of camping.
 
We have been to Alnmouth many times. It is one of our favourite places to take the dog and walk in the beach.
We have never stayed overnight because my understanding was that it wasn’t allowed and I am sure there is a sign - even if it isMy a legitimate sign.
I can understand the locals not wanting a sea of vans - the solution is either strict no overnighting or make 3 to 5 places chargeable so they see benefit from it.
Say 50% occupancy in 5 places at £10 would give them £9k in the coffers. They could make the car park a bit flatter and encourage people to eat in the town which has a couple of nice places to eat.
 
You have a major problem enforcing the *No overnight camping by law* A motorhome is or should be a road worthy vehicle that is insured, has paid the road tax and if necessary has a current MOT, everyone with me? A car/motorbike/lorry /van has the same legal requirements to be parked on a public highway, to which the public have access on payment or otherwise. A caravan or trailer tent does not meet these requirements and therefore cannot be left unattended on a highway as it /they are technically uninsured/untaxed. The biggest problem concerns the *overnight* Define *overnight* sunset to sunrise plus half an hour, ? Park up at 11pm leave at 5am ? Not overnight if the sun was not in the sky when parking up or in the sky when leaving as its within the hours of darkness, * I was tired, as per UK Govt direction , I stopped for a sleep and left asap when I felt better and in such a condition to be in charge of a motor vehicle on the highway! * If everyone buggered off am instead of stopping for days on end then no problem, a ticket issued for overnighting would not have a cat in hells chance of being enforced as your defence would be , it was dark, we were tired, we left as soon as and you have no idea when we left, it was still dark so NOT overnight! Camping is putting up a tent or living in a towed not a motorhome!
 
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PeteH said:
I arnt joking about the parkers. They start to turn up at 07-30, Doctors staff they are there all day, the pharmacy, they start about 8am, againall day parking. Then come 09-45ish all the "Wags" roll up in their 4WD`s, Bemmers, Mercs Et-al and pull one child out of the road side of the vehicle whilst all the traffic bombs past, walks 100ys to school entrance. then back turns round, almost always using my drive as turning head. Repeat programme at 3 -30. In the interim, (pre lockdown anyway) All the doctors Patient`s park as close to the corner (even ON the corner) so they don`t have to walk.

This is 5 days a week. It was heaven during lockdown!! next to no cars at all!.
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They have long had double yellow lines all round the roads near lynn hospital because of such reasons.
 
AC/DC said:
You have a major problem enforcing the *No overnight camping by law* A motorhome is or should be a road worthy vehicle that is insured, has paid the road tax and if necessary has a current MOT, everyone with me? A car/motorbike/lorry /van has the same legal requirements to be parked on a public highway, to which the public have access on payment or otherwise. A caravan or trailer tent does not meet these requirements and therefore cannot be left unattended on a highway as it /they are technically uninsured/untaxed. The biggest problem concerns the *overnight* Define *overnight* sunrise sunset, ? Park up at 11pm leave at 5am ? not overnight id the sun was not in the sky when parking up or in the sky when leaving as itis within the hours of darkness, * I was tired, as per UK Govt direction , I stopped for a sleep and left asap when I felt better and in such a condition to be in charge of a motor vehicle on the highway! If everyone buggered off am instead of stopping for days on end then no problem, a ticket issued for overnighting would not have a cat in hells chance of being enforced as your defence would be , it was dark, we were tired, we left as soon as and you have no idea when we le, it was still dark so NOT overnight! Camping is putting up a tent or living in a towed not a motorhome!
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There is no stopping on Hunstanton cliff top after 10pm . At the fire work display the traffic wardens stood waiting for 10pm and then started ticketing all that was parked on the cliff for the display so I cannot see ticketing being a problem.

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Ivory55 said:
There is no stopping on Hunstanton cliff top after 10pm . At the fire work display the traffic wardens stood waiting for 10pm and then started ticketing all that was parked on the cliff for the display so I cannot see ticketing being a problem.
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What a ridiculous, purposely orchestrated, jobsworth undertaking. Give me a break!
 
That's no stopping different to no overnighting, ask why every car parked did not get a ticket as someone might have been sleeping inside? Cant see cant prove
 
AC/DC said:
Camping is putting up a tent or living in a towed not a motorhome!
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My Understanding of this, is that in parts of Spain and Portugal. They define "camping" as having the awning out or putting chairs etc; outside the `van? even putting it on levelling blocks/ramps. And can levy fines on those so doing?.

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