Hydraulic levellers (1 Viewer)

[Two on Tour]

Well, I don't appreciate being called a liar. Maybe you are just inept at levelling. or, maybe it's the definition of 'properly' level. For me being level enough not to particularly notice is good enough.

Methinks you try to hard to justify yourself. If you want it, can afford it then go for it. Enjoy. Me, I enjoy not having it.

You need to improve your levelling skills. 30 seconds is my average.

Well that was a lie.

 

[Boaty]

Anyone who says they can get a van level on uneven ground in a matter of minutes is either not getting it properly level, or lying

"Bollocks!"
Been there, done that.
We did over 10k miles last year, travelling here and there. Very few campsites. Assess the park beforehand, know what you're doing and never an issue.
Never been a clock- watcher but always within minutes. 60 in the hour .
God created time, and plenty of it .

 

[Two on Tour]

Maybe you are just inept at levelling

Well that's nice and friendly.

 

[Boaty]

The only way you can justify auto-levelling is through the saving in stress, time and convenience. It's almost impossible to do it in terms of cost. But if like me you used to spend several attempts at getting it level front and side, plus the heated discussions with your partner in the process then it's well worth it. Anyone who says they can get a van level on uneven ground in a matter of minutes is either not getting it properly level, or lying.
There are other benefits - wheel changing for example. But also we got caught on a campsite in Spain where the front wheels started digging a hole in the soft sand instead of driving forward. We used the levellers to lift the front wheels, fill the holes created manuaaly and put down some skid mats over the sand. Then dropping the wheels and driving off successfully.

Oops or not .
Might have misinterpreted . Never got my van level on ramps. Wind, rain, nighttime, midges, your left, no my right and a tad of marital miscommunication.
E&P for me .

 

[jdk62]

I sent an email to SAP yesterday asking how to recalibrate my 8 year old E&P levelling system.

A lovely lady rang me within 10 mins to check the system I had and van details, she said one of the technicians would ring me within 30 mins to talk me through it. Sure enough, 15 mins later Ivan rang me and talked me through the process. System now recalibrated and auto levelling correctly.

What a great response and customer service from SAP.

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[Beltie]

I sent an email to SAP yesterday asking how to recalibrate my 8 year old E&P levelling system.

A lovely lady rang me within 10 mins to check the system I had and van details, she said one of the technicians would ring me within 30 mins to talk me through it. Sure enough, 15 mins later Ivan rang me and talked me through the process. System now recalibrated and auto levelling correctly.

What a great response and customer service from SAP.

That's very typical of their service levels. I've rung Mick on his mobile on a couple of occasions for advice. On the first occasion he was visiting someone in hospital, on the second he was in the middle of a family meal. On both occasions I apologised and offered to ring at a better time. However, he insisted on talking to me and answering my queries.
First class outfit.

 

[Spawn_e_git]

Had Mave system on Burstner 5.5t Tag for last 3 years and it has been great.
It's a little sensitive to battery voltage in as such is will alarm if used a lot at one time.
Fitted as levelling with ramps is impossible on the rear tag setup.

Expensive but worth it 100%

 

[mike@solutionsdevel]

By the time you knock off the weight of the jack and levelling ramps that you no long need to carry, then you will be adding about 37kg to your payload with the E&P system.

thats interesting i honestly thought it would be a lot more.

 

[Boaty]

thats interesting i honestly thought it would be a lot more.

Depends.
A&E fitted my E&P in my 2022 Ducato Campervan. I'm bottom end 3.5t.
Net weight gain approx 20/25kg.
The instal was tailored for the van. Trouble free since and good reason to endorse .

 

[colyboy]

How B****** much!!

£6000 on average price and people moan about paying £20 - £50 for a night in a camp site!

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[MichaelT]

How B****** much!!

£6000 on average price and people moan about paying £20 - £50 for a night in a camp site!

Yes but it ensures you get nice and level and stable on all those free sloping car parks

 

[Hettie's Crew]

Any opinions on whether they are worth the outlay or should we just continue to use the ramp levellers

Another good reason for Hydraulic levellers is the preservation of the clutch, just seen a post about their clutch going at a relatively low mileage and I often think when I see vans been driven up ramps that the clutch has a hard time, compared to normal driving.

 

[L' Hobo]

I think you need a trip to Specsavers, it's like a mountain.

Only in places....

 

[L' Hobo]

Another good reason for Hydraulic levellers is the preservation of the clutch, just seen a post about their clutch going at a relatively low mileage and I often think when I see vans been driven up ramps that the clutch has a hard time, compared to normal driving.

Totally agree but I still wonder how some of us managed for the last 50yrs without these new fangled things like hydraulic leveling?

To me, after 40+yrs of using a VW campervan, an inside toilet & shower is a luxury!

Isn't roughing it a bit all part of the experience or does everyone just want a mobile version of what they have at home?

 

[Lenny HB]

Only in places....

If you don't mind parking in the gateway, OK once you have climbed the mountian.

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[L' Hobo]

If you don't mind parking in the gateway, OK once you have climbed the mountian.

I think it's wonderful how they have landscaped it to everyone's taste!

 

[Littlewheels]

does everyone just want a mobile version of what they have at home?

Absolutely.

 

[125BEER]

We had M Level system fitted to our Auto Trail F60 in early March by S&G (nr Woburn) for £5,350.
We tend to tour so move on everyday or so meaning the convenience is important.
Have now dumped the jack etc and ramps (which were a pain to store)
M Level is UK based and uses UK suppliers.

VanBitz fit M Level

Cheers

 

[Lenny HB]

Isn't roughing it a bit all part of the experience or does everyone just want a mobile version of what they have at home?

No, I would rather have the van level.

 

[L' Hobo]

No, I would rather have the van level.

If you stayed on more campsites, it would be level more often.

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[Lenny HB]

If you stayed on more campsites, it would be level more often.

It's always level with my Full air Suspension.

Edit:
From what I have seen nice car parks are a lot more level than campsites.

 

[SewFloralRose]

Dear fellow Motorhomers
We are just in the process of buying our 2nd Motorhome. We have had a 2005 Autocruise Stargazer for 7 years, we pick up.our 2019 Autotrail Imala 615 with side dinette, 4 seat belts, sleeps 2. We have for the last 7 years used Milenco levellers and also had back leg steadies to help with any bounce if on a site more than a couple of nights. But thinking of splashing out on hydraulic levellers. Any opinions on whether they are worth the outlay or should we just continue to use the ramp levellers and have back steadies fixed to our new (to us) Motorhome?

UPDATE....After lots of research etc, we have now booked LNB in Bristol to fit a HPC Hydraulic levelling system. Very helpful, courtesy car available etc. We saw our friends same system last weekend on a campsite and it convinced us that they are definitely worth it we believe. Also for stabilisation whilst on a storage site, taking pressure off the tyres. We are looking forward to getting it done.

 

[Ditcha]

UPDATE....After lots of research etc, we have now booked LNB in Bristol to fit a HPC Hydraulic levelling system. Very helpful, courtesy car available etc. We saw our friends same system last weekend on a campsite and it convinced us that they are definitely worth it we believe. Also for stabilisation whilst on a storage site, taking pressure off the tyres. We are looking forward to getting it done.

Good choice HPC are much better than E&P

 

[Beltie]

Good choice HPC are much better than E&P

Other views are available!

For what it's worth, my view is that these are probably the best two systems on the market with very little to choose between them. Both are well proven and both have installers with an equally well proven track record.

 

[Ditcha]

Other views are available!

For what it's worth, my view is that these are probably the best two systems on the market with very little to choose between them. Both are well proven and both have installers with an equally well proven track record.

Yeah had both systems currently have HPC so gotta be better

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[Speve]

Other views are available!

For what it's worth, my view is that these are probably the best two systems on the market with very little to choose between them. Both are well proven and both have installers with an equally well proven track record.

I agree with your comment I think that it’s very difficult to say which are best everyone has a different opinion personally had AL-KO HY4 fitted last year they are available from E&P as it’s owned by Alko and looking at them you would not notice the difference until you see they are four independent rams with their own reservoir and hoses so no central oil tank to house which in my case solved the problem of finding a locker or having a box under the skirt as they don’t need one.
As you say everyone has their opinion for differing reasons

 

[Roby2008]

I agree with your comment I think that it’s very difficult to say which are best everyone has a different opinion personally had AL-KO HY4 fitted last year they are available from E&P as it’s owned by Alko and looking at them you would not notice the difference until you see they are four independent rams with their own reservoir and hoses so no central oil tank to house which in my case solved the problem of finding a locker or having a box under the skirt as they don’t need one.
As you say everyone has their opinion for differing reasons

Me too, had the AL-KO in Feb, the only thing taking any space in the van is the remote tucked under the dash.....

 

[Two on Tour]

Me too, had the AL-KO in Feb, the only thing taking any space in the van is the remote tucked under the dash.....

Me too, we had E&P fitted several years ago and no locker space lost as all our pump gear and reservoir is mounted under our van against the rear chassis rail.

 

[Jewellbags]

I have to say that in 4 years of travelling I haven’t found myself in a situation where I thought I wish I had them but that may come of course . We do have semi air suspension fitted and find that useful for minor levelling up and has reduced the need to use ramps .

But if I was royally loaded I might get the legs installed .

 

[125BEER]

Has anyone had M LEVEL fitted?

Cheers

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