How to tune in a new satellite to Oyster 85 with internet?

[Alistair33]

I’m m trying to tunein Intelsat 907 to the above system can anyone point me to a step by step guide, the manual is sadly lacking in this ?

 

[sallylillian]

I’m m trying to tunein Intelsat 907 to the above system can anyone point me to a step by step guide, the manual is sadly lacking in this ?

907 was not originally on the internet dish software although Oyster told me it was on the sat list in an update on the TV only version. I have just updated my software but have not checked. You are showing 907 was that in the sat list? Or did you create it?

 

[Alistair33]

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907 was not originally on the internet dish software although Oyster told me it was on the sat list in an update on the TV only version. I have just updated my software but have not checked. You are showing 907 was that in the sat list? Or did you create it?

created it

 

[Alistair33]

Current software ....... not sure if it’s uptodate?

 

[sallylillian]

OK just checked on my update and no 907 in the list. I had a long debate with Oyster about this and was going to get a CI unit to plug into the box (it has a slot) but once Oyster recognised the implications they ceased communication on the subject. It would have avoided the need for an Icecrypt box. It was a year ago I got into it but decided not to bother in the end. I cannot give you a Janet and John guide I am afraid, as I did not get that far. You maybe need to call your namesake edit sorry he is Anthony, on Monday. But I will be interested in the outcome.

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[Alistair33]

Thanks for the help.......a wet day in Benidorm has lead me to run out of options,I perhaps foolishly thought that a”steerable “ system could be pointed to pick up any satellite in the sky that it could see ( obviously it would t be able to decad encrypted channels but it could see that ) and that you had the settings for, but it appears that it comes “hard”coded with a list and that’s all folks

 

[Jim]

Hopefully @Anthony OysterTech or @Satandpcguy will see this and help

 

[sallylillian]

If you go here http
://www.satandpcguy.com/intelsat-bbc-satback/
You can get into it. If I remember correctly I was told to just convert a satalite that was already in the list that I would not use, once you can lock on the next is getting an Icecrypt and working the conectivity. I have somewhere the detail of the CI card supplier that accepts Biss codes and avoid the box. But in Beni there WILL be a man who can do this for you I am sure.

 

[tonyandcarol]

Ithink you have to have auto skew on the system to pick up 907

 

[100brian]

Ithink you have to have auto skew on the system to pick up 907

You can turn the lnb manually. if 907 is not on your list tune the dish to hispasat 30w once locked on then manually turn the dish to 907 couple of clicks to 27.5w

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[Anthony OysterTech]

Good morning,

The problem with using Intelsat 907 with an Oyster Internet system is that there are no free to air channels available and therefore it is not compatible with this system.
Intelsat 907 decryption is not available (as far as I am aware) on any Cam modules that are available for use with the Oyster HDCI Receiver and, as there are no free to air services broadcasting from the satellite using linear polarisations, there is no valid reason to have Intelsat 907 programmed into this unit.
If you wish to obtain the services from this satellite using any of the Oyster Digital variants (Receiver inclusive) then I'm afraid that the only way to do this is by using the manual tune feature. I would recommend using Hispasat at 30w as the default search satellite which will point the system and the LNB skew to the right area of the sky and then use the manual search feature to move the dish to 27.5w. From there you would need to swap the LNB feed from the Oyster to whichever standalone receiver you are using to receive the feeds.

With regards to the Vision series yes, we have Intelsat 907 programmed into our Vision III systems as these are receiver independent systems and are designed to be used with standalone receivers which may be able to decode encrypted services. As we have many business customers as well as retail we need to be able to offer systems that give the solutions requested so where as many Satellites programmed into Vision III may not be accessible for FTA programming, they are able to lock to these satellites if requested and if the end user has the required equipment needed to view these services.

If there are any questions please feel free to ask on here, via PM or contact me on 01858575928.

 

[dpsuk999]

Hi Anthony,

I have the Vision 2 controller with the attached control panel. Is it possible to input the Intelsat 907 details and store them so I can choose that as a satellite as I do with Astra 2 etc?

Thanks Dave.

 

[Anthony OysterTech]

Good afternoon Dave,

Unfortunately the Vision II systems cannot automatically lock to Intelsat 907 because they only have a DVB-S tuner inside which cannot see the DVB-S2 transmission so we have not upgraded the unit to include it. Also, you cannot add any Satellites into the systems memory as this feature does not exist on any Oyster Vision system.

The only way you could use a Vision II on Intelsat 907 would be to manually tune in the system.
There is no Auto Skew on a Vision II so first you would have to change the angle of the LNB.
Looking at the dish with the LNB coming towards you you'll notice that the cable/s coming out of the LNB are at about 7pm (on a clockface). This is a relatively standard angle for use on Astra 2 in the UK. Turn the LNB in the bracket so that the cable/s come out at around 5pm and that will be set more for Intelsat.
Next, on the control unit for the Oyster you will need to change the search satellite to Hispasat. Turn system on, press tick to stop the dish (main menu), press tick (settings), Scroll right once (Sat Settings), press tick (Search Satellite), Press tick and then scroll left/right until Hispasat is displayed then press the tick to store.
Please note that this will change the default search to Hispasat so you would have to follow the same procedure again to return the default to Astra 2 if and when required.
Press the on/off button until main menu is displayed and then scroll left/right to automatic search. Press tick and the system will scan for Hispasat which it should display on the screen.
Once locked the display will read "satellite mode".

Note: You will need a receiver or signal meter capable of reading DVB-S2 transmissions at this point because non HD receivers signal test menu screens will not see the Intelsat 907 signal.

You will need to scroll left/right until manual search is displayed and then press tick to display left/right (azimuth/rotation). Move the dish the desired amount (if you need to alter the elevation then when left/right is displayed press the left arrow and the tick together to display up/down) and watch the signal meter or signal test screen for signal to appear on the desired satellite and then once you are happy with the signal press tick to store.
The Oyster will remember this position until the vehicle is moved however if you put the dish down and then open again it will return to the stored position but as it cannot see any relevant signal it will want to perform a new search which you will have to override by pressing the tick when it tries to start.

If you experience any further problems then I'd recommend giving me a call.

 

[dpsuk999]

Hi @Anthony OysterTech

That’s great, many thanks for the detailed instructions. I have an Avtex TV with inbuilt sat receiver which sound be ok to use to do the tuning.

Regards Dave.

 

[Anthony OysterTech]

Unfortunately no. The Avtex TV's can't handle the higher Symbol rate on the frequency broadcasting from Intelsat so you won't be able to see any signal. You can add the Satellite into the avtext but just not the frequency cause as soon as you try to save it the TV will freeze.

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[dpsuk999]

Icecrypt box?

 

[Anthony OysterTech]

They are able to handle the higher symbol rate yes.

 

[irnbru]

@bigtree has his tuned in via ice crypt and Oyster. I'm sure he will be along now I've tagged him.

 

[dpsuk999]

Thanks @Anthony OysterTech, guess that will be on my Christmas list

 

[bigtree]

We have been watching Cooncil telly down on the Algarve via an icecrypt box,as has been said tune to Hispasat then move it a couple of degrees to pick up Intelsat. With my system I then swap to av on the handset and that's it,the only problem is when you either switch off or put the box to sleep when you put it back on it retunes to hispasat.

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[OldAgeTravellers]

To make life easier, if you wish to use the Icecrypt system just add a second LNB to the right of the first ( as you look at the dish) with the skew set for the western satellite. If you are handy it is very easy to do. Then add a DiSEqC switch so as to automatically share the common cable. Then if you select an Intelsat channel it will switch to the right LNB select Astra 2 and it selects the left LNB. You just have to do it before you search with the Oyster then you just follow @Anthony OysterTech excelent instructions. For moving to the Intelsat satellite. My dish has three Lnb's because I have Satellite Internet as well. Sorry I cannot show a photo as I am on a ship in Norway a long way from my MoHo. Please be fair though neither @Anthony OysterTech nor @eddievanbitz can advise on specific Icecrypt questions for obvious reasons it is purely a hobbyist solution most of the answers to which are freely available on the Internet. If you want a picture I can upload one on a weeks time.
Steve

 

[dpsuk999]

Yes please

 

[OldAgeTravellers]

Yes please

Hi @dpsuk999,
Sorry I completely forgot to post these pictures.
In the first one if you look carefully you can see a small grey box which is the DiSEqC
Switch. The left LNB the yellow one is for Intelsat with opposite skew, the right one is for Astra 28. The centre one is for Satellite Internet. The arrangement and spacing is set up so when the right hand LNB (when viewed from dish) is locked onto Astra 2 for UK to then the centre one is pointing at Astra3 for Internet.
When Intelsat is wanted then The Icecript is set to say BBC1 on Intelsat which switches the DiSEqC switch to use the Yellow LNB, the Oyster is set to point to Hypsat then when Hypsat is found the Oyster is set to manual and with a tuning bar onscreen just three presses left and one or two up finds Intelsat.
It sounds complicated but very easy after doing it a few times.
Remember this is all hobbyist stuff and something a dealer cannot help you with for obvious reasons.
The Icecrypt receiver is available in Maplins or on Amazon or eBay. The firmware and instructions for installing it is freely available on the Internet just make sure you get the correct firmware for your Icecrypt, best to download it first so you know that you have it. There are people in Southern Spain and the Algarve, Portugal who can supply the system and sometimes install it for a price. Some are members here who will identify themselves to you possibly if you wish.
Best of luck with it, it is great fun perfecting setups like this if you are that way inclined.
Steve

 

[dpsuk999]

Hi @OldAgeTravellers
Many thanks for the post. I can’t see a small grey box, I can only see the large grey box which is the sat LNB I assume. Back end of Nov I bought an Icecrypt box and managed install the custom firmware which gave me access to be able to input the BISS code and then tuned my Oyster system to Hispasat, manually rotated my LNB to 25 past and then fine tuned it by left clicking 3 times and got a near perfect signal for Intelsat907, fired up Icecrypt and got all the channels from Intelsat907

Id like to automate as much of it as possible and I don’t really understand DiSEqC and how it works yet but when I was viewing the channels on Intelsat907 and then chose an Astra2 channel on the Icecrypt box the dish rotated back to Astra2 but I didn’t really understand how and why

 

[OldAgeTravellers]

Hi @dpsuk999
If you enlarge the first picture then below the arm where the "P" clip is you can just see a grey box which is the DiSEqC switch, hardly bigger than the arm.
I use the Icecrypt to tune both satellites so the DiSEqC switch is programmed in the Icecrypt settings for each satellite.
It sounds as if your Icecrypt already has DiSEqC set up which is telling The Oyster to move. You will have to do a bit of reading up on DiSEqC switches. You may have to disable the function in the Oyster. @Satandpcguy, May be along soon he may know more. I got to the point of getting it working and didn't fiddle any more but it may be useful to have the dish automatically turn back to Astra2 if I get some time I will dig out the Oyster Manual and have a read. You will always have to manually tune from Hypsat to Intelsat though because the VisionII cannot locate it because of the high symbol rates on Intelsat. I believe VisionIII can though.
Steve

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[OldAgeTravellers]

Hi @dpsuk999
This is the kind of DiSEqC switch cheaper ones are available if you search this is the first one that came up:

After a quick read of the Oyster manual, if you set up DiSEqC in the Icecrypt to 1 for Astra2 and 2 for Intelsat then if you set Astra2 in the Oyster as position 1 and Hypersat as position 2 then activate DiSEqC in the Oyster then when you change satellites in the Icecrypt then the dish should move but you will need to then manually tune from Hypesat to Intelsat. Moving to manual may inhibit the automatic movement though, I will set it up on mine and see when I get a bit of time.
I notice that you have the older Vision2 with the White controll box, I have the later one with the brown and grey box on the wall. So it may be different for you.
Best of luck.
Steve

 

[dpsuk999]

Hi @dpsuk999
If you enlarge the first picture then below the arm where the "P" clip is you can just see a grey box which is the DiSEqC switch, hardly bigger than the arm.
I use the Icecrypt to tune both satellites so the DiSEqC switch is programmed in the Icecrypt settings for each satellite.
It sounds as if your Icecrypt already has DiSEqC set up which is telling The Oyster to move. You will have to do a bit of reading up on DiSEqC switches. You may have to disable the function in the Oyster. @Satandpcguy, May be along soon he may know more. I got to the point of getting it working and didn't fiddle any more but it may be useful to have the dish automatically turn back to Astra2 if I get some time I will dig out the Oyster Manual and have a read. You will always have to manually tune from Hypsat to Intelsat though because the VisionII cannot locate it because of the high symbol rates on Intelsat. I believe VisionIII can though.
Steve

Hi @OldAgeTravellers ah yes I now see a grey box, at the end of the arm on the underneath

I’ve spent this evening reading up so feel a little more knowledgeable so will have a little play tomorrow I think and see what damage I can do haha

 

[dpsuk999]

Hi @dpsuk999
This is the kind of DiSEqC switch cheaper ones are available if you search this is the first one that came up:

After a quick read of the Oyster manual, if you set up DiSEqC in the Icecrypt to 1 for Astra2 and 2 for Intelsat then if you set Astra2 in the Oyster as position 1 and Hypersat as position 2 then activate DiSEqC in the Oyster then when you change satellites in the Icecrypt then the dish should move but you will need to then manually tune from Hypesat to Intelsat. Moving to manual may inhibit the automatic movement though, I will set it up on mine and see when I get a bit of time.
I notice that you have the older Vision2 with the White controll box, I have the later one with the brown and grey box on the wall. So it may be different for you.
Best of luck.
Steve

Hi @OldAgeTravellers thanks for the link, think I’ll have a play about then order the switch

Many thanks Dave.

 

[Alistair33]

Did I you get it sorted?

 

[dpsuk999]

Hi,

Been doing a lot of research etc and know a lot more now. @OldAgeTravellers is your Intelsat907 LNB at a particular angle to the others or can I simply buy a multi LNB bracket and fit it? I know the skew has to be 5oclock rather than 7oclock.

I’ve ordered the diseqc switch so will order a LNB bracket also and then try and set it up

Cheers Dave.

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