Full timers and prospective Trigano Group purchasers be aware

[PaulOH]

Will investigate this - my van was imported by the previous owner as a 'residential vehicle' and remains registered as such.
Downside is that it needs the Spainish MoT every 6 months, upside is that I have not been charged a new environmental tax based on the carbon emissions of the van.
Other advantages/disadvantages have not yet been investigated - tho a pending divorce might mean it provides me with a huge advantage - a (thin, aluminium) roof over my head!!!

 

[Wabs]

That's extremely polite?

Yep, I’d rather them say ‘ this is a bag of s€€t, if you want better , buy a house,,

 

[Mr porky]

To be honest using our van for 10 months of the year (2 months in bricks and mortar for work) has put more strain on the little things like a shower door seal or a cupboard catch but generally I think a motorhome like any vehicle fairs better with regular use.
Although we are quite respectful of our home and it's built very solidly unlike our previous motorhome which after 2 years was definitely not fairing well with regards to wear and tear (lovely that it was)

 

[Jamesh]

Perhaps there ought to be a MHF survey of MH build quality. Something that is objective and dependable.

With 40k members discounting a few self builders! That's a decent cohort of vans.

There must be an engineer who can design the survey and a statistian who can number crunch???

 

[Northernraider]

Perhaps there ought to be a MHF survey of MH build quality. Something that is objective and dependable.

With 40k members discounting a few self builders! That's a decent cohort of vans.

There must be an engineer who can design the survey and a statistian who can number crunch???

I think youll find out of that 40k members only a couple of thousand are actually active or participate in threads/discussions

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[Emmit]

Ever heard of;
The Unfair Contract and Unfair Terms Act 1977?

Worth a read?

 

[Ivory55]

Perhaps there ought to be a MHF survey of MH build quality. Something that is objective and dependable.

With 40k members discounting a few self builders! That's a decent cohort of vans.

There must be an engineer who can design the survey and a statistian who can number crunch???

But in true motorhome world they would want everything but pay for half of it. Am sure things could be made more durable, but who would pay the price required on here.

 

[Parrot Face]

more than you realise! I spoke to Bailey some years ago and they quoted that their warranty only covered average holiday use of a few weeks per year. Living in one full time or touring for months on end was outside the scope of the written warranty. In the small print of course

Met a guy in Spain with a Bailey caravan that he said was falling apart in front of his eyes. Dealer told him that his 6 weeks away voided the warranty as they were only designed for a couple of weeks a year. He took them to court and got a new one. How many of us have therefore voided our warranty by doing two long trips a year abroad. Such a nice family deserve better. Good luck to them and there lovely kids.

 

[The Wino]

Part of me says they ought to stand up to being used full time the other part says don't be silly they're basically a mix of a van and a touring caravan built from lightweight materials to leave some usable payload.

 

[Emmit]

That's EVERY!!! Warden employed by the two Clubs? stuffed then.

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[MisterB]

The issue isn't with the furniture, hinges, panels etc, it's the floor that is causing the issue.
So effectively the manufacturers are saying 'after x weeks use it is expected that the floor will begin to fail' - so whether 'x weeks' is achieved in one year or five years, we expect it to fail !!!
Not exactly a great way of attracting potential customers and I am pretty sure will impact on future sales of new vans to those who access this forum, irrespective of whether the issue is resolved to the customers satisfaction.

 

[IRHP]

The issue with the floor seems to be a bigger common problem. Surely a recall would be issued but then again not safety related so stuff all the owners.

 

[Jim]

This and similar clauses have been in contracts for years.

However, it was always up to the makers to prove you were full time and how could they do that? Warning people to keep their fulltiming identity off of the forum used to be commonplace. This is just a get-out clause they can use, I don't think it has survived a courtroom. and I've only seen it used once before.

But times change. If you document your lifestyle from selling your home to going full time for the world to see and you miss that clause in your contract then you make it easy for them.

I've not watched all the video. I find it physically impossible to watch content like this, it's hard to describe, but I'll try.

Imagine, just as you click, skip advert, someone much stronger than you sticks a plastic bag over your head and seals it tight around your neck, That's how I feel. After a few seconds of watching, I have this overwhelming fear that my life is being wasted and I close the browser window gasping for air!

But lots of people love this stuff. In just a day or so, their video has had 10,000 views on YouTube, 8,000 from Motorhomefun. Over the next couple of weeks, that will double, so the result will be that lots more will know and look out for this clause. And Full-timers won't be buying vans that have it or at least keeping quiet about their full-timing intentions.

 

[funflair]

But in true motorhome world they would want everything but pay for half of it. Am sure things could be made more durable, but who would pay the price required on here.

Hopefully we have but only time will tell.

 

[haganap]

The only thing that ever amazes us more experienced motorhomers is that anyone actually believes such things as Warranty's exist on motorhomes. Even when they do, in many cases you are left for months and months whilst said dealer tries to fit you in. I would never recommend our lifestyle to anyone without a good DIY bit of sense or at least a friend who does/can.

I've not watched all the video. I find it physically impossible to watch content like this, it's hard to describe, but I'll try.

Imagine, just as you click, skip advert, someone much stronger than you sticks a plastic bag over your head and seals it tight around your neck, That's how I feel. After a few seconds of watching, I have this overwhelming fear that my life is being wasted and I close the browser window gasping for air!

wow, I actually thought it was only me? I just hate these things.

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[funflair]

The only thing that ever amazes us more experienced motorhomers is that anyone actually believes such things as Warranty's exist on motorhomes. Even when they do, in many cases you are left for months and months whilst said dealer tries to fit you in. I would never recommend our lifestyle to anyone without a good DIY bit of sense or at least a friend who does/can.



wow, I actually thought it was only me? I just hate these things.

Must be quite a few of us in reality, I ask a simple question on Google and all these videos come up but I usually ignore them as life is too short, NO give me a simple answer, only a couple of days ago I wanted to know why why our handheld Dyson Vac was surging? simple answer was "clean the filter" but why did I need to watch a video to be told that, I say watch I mean skip through till I think there might be a sensible bit.

 

[Northernraider]

Its the way things are now

Insurance does the same thing
Legally required to have it but then the insurers don't want you to actually use it, all the mileage limitations etc

And we all allowed it to happen over the years.

 

[Madmurdy]

I spotted a 2015 roller team van simler to the rucks and the side of the van was all buckled looks like the side had delamination from the insulation looked very poor build quality I'm glad I bought a German a class hymer iv been full time in it now 5 years with no problems apart from the truma boiler packing up and the parts are discontinued so a new boiler it is but it's done more than a lifetime of work I suppose being 15 years old but if I lived in a house it would still cost about the same

 

[Fragle]

This and similar clauses have been in contracts for years.

However, it was always up to the makers to prove you were full time and how could they do that? Warning people to keep their fulltiming identity off of the forum used to be commonplace. This is just a get-out clause they can use, I don't think it has survived a courtroom. and I've only seen it used once before.

But times change. If you document your lifestyle from selling your home to going full time for the world to see and you miss that clause in your contract then you make it easy for them.

I've not watched all the video. I find it physically impossible to watch content like this, it's hard to describe, but I'll try.

Imagine, just as you click, skip advert, someone much stronger than you sticks a plastic bag over your head and seals it tight around your neck, That's how I feel. After a few seconds of watching, I have this overwhelming fear that my life is being wasted and I close the browser window gasping for air!

But lots of people love this stuff. In just a day or so, their video has had 10,000 views on YouTube, 8,000 from Motorhomefun. Over the next couple of weeks, that will double, so the result will be that lots more will know and look out for this clause. And Full-timers won't be buying vans that have it or at least keeping quiet about their full-timing intentions.

you are right Jim.

It's probably one of the reasons we have given up working last year. If you have enough to survive. You watch these and it does make you feel you are wasting your life. But if you can then why not. I wouldn't put my life all over the internet though.

We only get one chance. Or so I'm led to believe

 

[Fragle]

I have looked at our Adria and can't find any wording the same as the Trigano group. But it looks like Adria give 10 main points and the rest of the small print is with the dealer. You read this when you collect the van apparently (if shown).

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[The Wino]

This and similar clauses have been in contracts for years.

However, it was always up to the makers to prove you were full time and how could they do that? Warning people to keep their fulltiming identity off of the forum used to be commonplace. This is just a get-out clause they can use, I don't think it has survived a courtroom. and I've only seen it used once before.

But times change. If you document your lifestyle from selling your home to going full time for the world to see and you miss that clause in your contract then you make it easy for them.

I've not watched all the video. I find it physically impossible to watch content like this, it's hard to describe, but I'll try.

Imagine, just as you click, skip advert, someone much stronger than you sticks a plastic bag over your head and seals it tight around your neck, That's how I feel. After a few seconds of watching, I have this overwhelming fear that my life is being wasted and I close the browser window gasping for air!

But lots of people love this stuff. In just a day or so, their video has had 10,000 views on YouTube, 8,000 from Motorhomefun. Over the next couple of weeks, that will double, so the result will be that lots more will know and look out for this clause. And Full-timers won't be buying vans that have it or at least keeping quiet about their full-timing intentions.

I think a lot of those views will be like mine a quick skip through and back out. It would be interesting how many watch the whole thing.

 

[Lenny HB]

Must be quite a few of us in reality, I ask a simple question on Google and all these videos come up but I usually ignore them as life is too short, NO give me a simple answer, only a couple of days ago I wanted to know why why our handheld Dyson Vac was surging? simple answer was "clean the filter" but why did I need to watch a video to be told that, I say watch I mean skip through till I think there might be a sensible bit.

Drives me nuts too, ask a simple question about a phone and you get dozens of Indian videos that are practically unintelligible when one sentence could give you the answer.

 

[Lenny HB]

I've not watched all the video. I find it physically impossible to watch content like this, it's hard to describe, but I'll try.

I always skip through them never managed to watch one all the way through.

I don't like travel blogs either most appear to be pages of words that takes too much effort to wade though to find the info.

My travel threads on Fun are partly for my own record, must be doing something right as I appear to have a big following. I try to limit the words and put photos up that are hopefully interesting, people can always ask or use Google if they want more info.
Also it's nice to have a bit of banter back & forth although it does get out of hand sometimes.

 

[Fragle]

I think a lot of those views will be like mine a quick skip through and back out. It would be interesting how many watch the whole thing.

If like us we follow them to highlight the placees we would like to go and the issues you may have as they are motorhome specific problems.

They are also invariably better programs than the BBC etc

 

[Parrot Face]

These same dealers probably have stock on there forecourts that are examined and viewed by hundreds of prospective buyers and send some to shows and exhibitions and again are tramped through by many. Isn't that equivalent to the usage that family have give there van.

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[nabsim]

I always thought the amount of time you could use a motorhome or caravan had always been limited to a few weeks each year or you risked voiding the warranty. I have never owned a new one though so it was always what others told me. I did watch the earlier video where they said the floor had started delaminating (and other plumbing problems) and was surprised the dealer was doing work under warranty.

I hope they do manage to force the issue and get warranty reinstated but suspect it will need someone with very deep pockets to win a test case.

 

[Basildog]

This and similar clauses have been in contracts for years.

However, it was always up to the makers to prove you were full time and how could they do that? Warning people to keep their fulltiming identity off of the forum used to be commonplace. This is just a get-out clause they can use, I don't think it has survived a courtroom. and I've only seen it used once before.

But times change. If you document your lifestyle from selling your home to going full time for the world to see and you miss that clause in your contract then you make it easy for them.

I've not watched all the video. I find it physically impossible to watch content like this, it's hard to describe, but I'll try.

Imagine, just as you click, skip advert, someone much stronger than you sticks a plastic bag over your head and seals it tight around your neck, That's how I feel. After a few seconds of watching, I have this overwhelming fear that my life is being wasted and I close the browser window gasping for air!

But lots of people love this stuff. In just a day or so, their video has had 10,000 views on YouTube, 8,000 from Motorhomefun. Over the next couple of weeks, that will double, so the result will be that lots more will know and look out for this clause. And Full-timers won't be buying vans that have it or at least keeping quiet about their full-timing intentions.

I don’t think I have ever managed to get past the 30 second mark on a YouTube video
I lose the will to live and suddenly any sharp objects need to be hidden

 

[PaulOH]

Perhaps there ought to be a MHF survey of MH build quality. Something that is objective and dependable.

With 40k members discounting a few self builders! That's a decent cohort of vans.

There must be an engineer who can design the survey and a statistian who can number crunch???

I really like this idea - seeing some of the stuff online related to repairs and what manufacturers put into their vans in the first place, I think it would be a very useful way to pick up trends related to particular makes and help prospective secondhand (pre-loved??) buyers pick out particular things to look out for beyond the regular checks.

I don't think too many of us would crib over a broken kitchen door catch, siliconing that needed redoing or upholstery that wasn't very hardwearing, but I certainly would be most annoyed if the floor began to sag expensively or the suspension began collapsing because it wasn't designed to last!

These rigs are not Ford Fiestas and we need to future proof - I'm convinced that people do not pay the prices they charge for a new MH in the expectation that by the time it's 15 years old it is really only fit to scrap!

 

[mitzimad]

Must be quite a few of us in reality, I ask a simple question on Google and all these videos come up but I usually ignore them as life is too short, NO give me a simple answer, only a couple of days ago I wanted to know why why our handheld Dyson Vac was surging? simple answer was "clean the filter" but why did I need to watch a video to be told that, I say watch I mean skip through till I think there might be a sensible bit.

i totally agree with that martin. Why do we need everything on video even so called news pages where the headline links to a video with 2 minutes of adverts included? Actually i think I've answered the question there advertising has more impact in a video