FTL + Quarantine on return

[olsgreen]

So we live in our motorhome and have been touring France for the last few months (partner is French). We have been planning to return to the UK during the start of October to tour Scotland and for a variety of other fairly important administrative reasons, we will probably leave again in Dec / Jan.

We're planning to spend a few weeks in the black forest to 'quarantine' before we run for the shuttle. If Germany falls off of the list (which is looking increasingly likely), we'll have to quarantine in the UK in our van. This brings the obvious issues of needing a fixed address & services (water & waste), not sure going to a campsite is the right way forward, don't want to ask relatives as the ones that have space should really be shielded, bit of a moral conundrum really. It's not like we've been going around licking door handles, we've been deliberately avoiding tourist hotspots / cities and sticking to the quiet country aires while maintaining S/D, so fingers crossed we should be clean.

Any other full timers quarantined in their van on a site?

 

[tonyidle]

Don't really understand the problem. Being on a site and leaving it only for essentials IS being quarantined. Isn't it?

 

[Two on Tour]

If your confined to your van, then what's it matter that the relatives that have the space are shielding as you will not be coming into contact with them.
If they have an outside tap and a sewer drain cover you can lift then you can be interdependent of them.

 

[olsgreen]

Don't really understand the problem. Being on a site and leaving it only for essentials IS being quarantined. Isn't it?

Yup, we're over thinking it. I suppose they ARE exceptional circumstances, so we can still go shopping and just put the sites address down on the paperwork.

If your confined to your van, then what's it matter that the relatives that have the space are shielding as you will not be coming into contact with them.
If they have an outside tap and a sewer drain cover you can lift then you can be interdependent of them.

Thought of that, not readily accessible due to placement.

 

[nicholsong]

Give them GPS co-ordinates for up a Welsh mountain and show them fridge/freezer with 14 days food and garage with 4 cases if wine.

I doubt they will be near those co-ords.

Does the tracing system cross National boundaries within UK?

Geoff

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[Clipgate]

Entering the UK

UK border control - passport checks, visas for entering, customs, transiting and layovers.

www.gov.uk

This gives the rules and forms of compliance, I believe third party agents are tracking the returning passengers

 

[olsgreen]

This gives the rules and forms of compliance, I believe third party agents are tracking the returning passengers

I've heard similar, not sure I believe it. They are relying on people being honest with the declaration of the country they've been holidaying in, why would they bother tracking people or validating their location on return? But then again, I suppose the governments actions aren't always the most logical!

 

[TheBig1]

they CAN confirm where you have been over the last few weeks using the software downloaded to every phone a few months back without user consent

 

[pandas]

Yup, we're over thinking it. I suppose they ARE exceptional circumstances, so we can still go shopping and just put the sites address down on the paperwork.



Thought of that, not readily accessible due to placement.

I don't think you can go shopping even for essentials. You can do one shop on the way home once you arrive in the UK then you should ask a neighbour, family or home delivery service. You should not be shopping or going out for medication only in an emergency. Just passing on the relevant info.

 

[olsgreen]

they CAN confirm where you have been over the last few weeks using the software downloaded to every phone a few months back without user consent

TheBig1 That's simply NOT true. You would have to also download a CV tracking app and 'allow' it to report.

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[Northernraider]

TheBig1 That's simply NOT true. You would have to also download a CV tracking app and 'allow' it to report.

Yep and you can disable that

I did as soon as I discovered it back in april/May

 

[Raul]

We have quarantined once, when we returned end of June. They certainly know where you are somehow, I have been contacted the next day. We had no reason to brake the rules and 14 days are gone very quick when you keep busy.

 

[Scotch mist]

We have quarantined once, when we returned end of June. They certainly know where you are somehow, I have been contacted the next day. We had no reason to brake the rules and 14 days are gone very quick when you keep busy.

how did they contact you ? , i take it was by phone ? (As others have reported) , did they specifically state where you were when they Phoned or Did they visit you ?

 

[pandas]

how did they contact you ? , i take it was by phone ? (As others have reported) , did they specifically state where you were when they Phoned or Did they visit you ?

you sound slightly anxious

 

[PeteH]

You have to be seen to be being "reasonable". If you have no fixed abode in the UK anyway. I would be surprised if the authorities are going to turn you away at the border?. (they don`t for "other" (and illegal) visitors!!). Find a site who will take you and make your one stop on the way in, after that you should be able to get a local or major store to deliver?. Are you a member of either of the clubs? approach them and ask?.

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[Scotch mist]

you sound slightly anxious

As usual you are reading too much into things

 

[big map]

I don't think you can go shopping even for essentials. You can do one shop on the way home once you arrive in the UK then you should ask a neighbour, family or home delivery service. You should not be shopping or going out for medication only in an emergency. Just passing on the relevant info.

Please can you advise where it states “You can do one shop on the way home once you arrive in the UK” ?

 

[Raul]

how did they contact you ? , i take it was by phone ? (As others have reported) , did they specifically state where you were when they Phoned or Did they visit you ?

Yes by phone. Another tip, if you got nobody to do the shopping for you, when you place a order on line, mention you are quarantined; some make you a priority if you are in quarantine. What we did, is shopped and fuelled in Germany before we left for the border. We filled the fridge and the freezer and did not compromise anyone.

 

[Shrimp]

According to Gov. you are NOT allowed to even go shopping if you are under quarantine, you are supposed to stay in your ‘house’ and garden, not allowed shopping nor walking the dog!

 

[Raul]

True, but, IF you got nobody to help you with supplies, you need to eat. If medicine is needed you call 111 and you’ll get help. All is down to your forward planning and is not that bad at all. We knew we will quarantine and made appropriate preparations, stress free.

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[pandas]

Please can you advise where it states “You can do one shop on the way home once you arrive in the UK” ?

I will see if I can remember, think it was the Times giving advice to those rushing back from France but didn't make it (which I know doesn't make it true) but I am sure it will be on the Gov web site. Let me know if you find it before me as I am just off for a bit of exercise.

 

[The Wino]

As no-one is now shielding knowing relatives who are vulnerable and wanting to avoid giving them the virus ought to make anyone really keen to isolate properly to avoid giving it to anyone else who is vulnerable. I'm sure most people must know someone who could accept an internet shopping delivery and leave it outside to be collected heading to a place to quarantine.

 

[pandas]

Please can you advise where it states “You can do one shop on the way home once you arrive in the UK” ?

Had a brief look on the Gov web site and cannot see any mention of it, I will try later as I did see it somewhere. The Gov details do spell out quite specifically what you cannot and can do (only by extreme circumstances) so maybe you can't so a good call?

[Withdrawn] Travel to England from another country – COVID-19 rules

Check if there are any COVID-19 rules in place for travel to England from abroad.

www.gov.uk

 

[Rosemary1]

Yup, we're over thinking it. I suppose they ARE exceptional circumstances, so we can still go shopping and just put the sites address down on the paperwork.



Thought of that, not readily accessible due to placement.

I believe you can’t shop at all - to protect other shoppers.

Could you stock up food and essentials in Germany. Book onto a fully served site and then either get a friend or relative to drop further supplies as need or book a home delivery explaining you are isolating?

As someone has said 14 days will go quickly

 

[Landy Andy]

Not allowed out to shop, and other details from Gov.com

How to self-isolate in your accommodation
You should self-isolate in one place for the full 14 days, where you can have food and other necessities delivered, and stay away from others. You must self-isolate at the address you provided on the public health passenger locator form.

This can include:

• your own home
• staying with friends or family
• a hotel or other temporary accommodation

You should not have visitors, including friends and family, unless they are providing:

• emergency assistance
• care or assistance, including personal care
• medical assistance
• veterinary services
• certain critical public services

You cannot go out to work or school or visit public areas. You should not go shopping. If you require help buying groceries, other shopping or picking up medication, you should ask friends or relatives or order a delivery.

In England, you must only exercise within your home or garden. You cannot leave your home to walk your dog. You will need to ask friends or relatives to help you with this.

NHS Volunteer Responders are also available if you need help collecting shopping, medication or would like a telephone ‘check-in and chat’. Call 0808 196 3646 (8am to 8pm) to arrange volunteer support. You can arrange one-off support, or schedule more regular help whilst you are self-isolating.

In England, you can only leave your accommodation in limited circumstances. These include where:

• you need urgent medical assistance (or where your doctor has advised you to get medical assistance)
• you need access to basic necessities like food and medicines, but only in exceptional circumstances such as where you cannot arrange for these to be delivered
• you need to access critical public services such as social services and victim support services, but only in exceptional circumstances
• you need to go to the funeral of a family member of someone you live with
• you need to visit a dying or critically ill family member or someone you live with
• you need to fulfil a legal obligation such as participate in legal proceedings
• there’s an emergency

You are not allowed to change the place where you are self-isolating except in very limited circumstances, including where:

• a legal obligation requires you to change address, such as where you are a child whose parents live separately, and you need to move between homes as part of a shared custody agreement
• it is necessary for you to stay overnight at accommodation before travelling to the place where you will be self-isolating for the remainder of the 14 days
• there’s an emergency

If this happens, you should provide full details of each address where you will self-isolate on the public health passenger locator form. If, in exceptional circumstances, you cannot remain where you are staying, you must update the form as soon as possible.

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[EuroTrotters]

they CAN confirm where you have been over the last few weeks using the software downloaded to every phone a few months back without user consent

what if you turn your phone off or remove the sim ?

 

[olsgreen]

I believe you can’t shop at all - to protect other shoppers.

Not allowed out to shop, and other details from Gov.com

Correct, unless you can't get the supplies delivered for some reason.

Could you stock up food and essentials in Germany. Book onto a fully served site and then either get a friend or relative to drop further supplies as need or book a home delivery explaining you are isolating?

That's the possible plan, however we won't need to quarantine on return from Germany as they are not on the naughty list.

 

[EuroTrotters]

We have quarantined once, when we returned end of June. They certainly know where you are somehow, I have been contacted the next day. We had no reason to brake the rules and 14 days are gone very quick when you keep busy.

The problem as I see it.

Many folk on here are retired.

but some have jobs, businesses or Other occupations we have to return to .

So yes, great for some. If all you have to do is: tidy the garden, clear the garage out, knitting or a jigsaw puzzle .

for me, if it was the latter. I would just stay away .

 

[pandas]

The problem as I see it.

Many folk on here are retired.

but some have jobs, businesses or Other occupations we have to return to .

So yes, great for some. If all you have to do is: tidy the garden, clear the garage out, knitting or a jigsaw puzzle .

for me, if it was the latter. I would just stay away .

Hopefully all those in business, need to go to work or their children need to start school at the beginning of term would have been keen to make sure they are aware as possible within this very dynamic and fluid period to avoid being caught out.

Blimey is that what one does in retirement, must give it a try as I need a new cardi!

 

[EuroTrotters]

Hopefully all those in business, need to go to work or their children need to start school at the beginning of term would have been keen to make sure they are aware as possible within this very dynamic and fluid period to avoid being caught out.

Blimey is that what one does in retirement, must give it a try as I need a new cardi!

But many of those people were led to believe it was okay to travel to say, France.

Then told they had hours to get home.

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