Flashed by a speed camera at 62mph

Neil S

Neil S

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Got flashed by a forward facing camera in France near Troyes on the A5 was only doing 62 mph so not over the speed limit for a 3.5 ton motorhome
Would the camera have thought I was a commercial vehicle
 
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Lenny HB said:
3.5T has nothing to do with speed limits in the UK.
If your unladen weight is over 3050 kg you are restricted to the lower limits.
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Unladen weight is 2780 kg according to Pilote

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Lenny HB said:
3.5T has nothing to do with speed limits in the UK.
If your unladen weight is over 3050 kg you are restricted to the lower limits.
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But he’s in France Lenny.
Troyes, somewhere east of Paris.
If under 3500kg the autoroute speed limit is 130kph surely.

Don’t worry Neil S, the camera thought you were a truck which has a 90kph limit.
I’ve been flashed loads of times on autoroutes and never heard anything.

Richard
 
I think the same as the others nothing to worry about.......but the lower limit in France is if loaded over 3500 gross not 3050 unladen as in the uk. There is a vanishingly small chance there are weight sensors on the road and you were over 3500 laden
 
EX51SSS said:
I think the DVLA are more accurate than Pilote
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I would seriously DOUBT the DVLA could get anything right. The makers Plate is the deciding factor.

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PeteH said:
I would seriously DOUBT the DVLA could get anything right. The makers Plate is the deciding factor.
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Yes but as I say in France I think the plate makes no difference its the max permitted weight being less than 3500 that determines the legal limit which I think makes more sense.

Think about it there must be some m/h less than 3050 unladen which in the UK could be up-plated what limit applies then on dual carriageways?. I don't know if its 70 as they are less than 3050 unladen or 60 as the vehicle class has now changed to PHG.

If there are 2 coachbuilts both on the same base how can it be safer to have more stuff carried in a lighter (possibly weaker) body that weighs 2800kg unladen than less stuff in one that wieghs 3100kg unladen assuming they are both 3500 all up?

Then again who says the law has to make sense!
 
Clarky said:
But he’s in France Lenny.
Troyes, somewhere east of Paris.
If under 3500kg the autoroute speed limit is 130kph surely.

Don’t worry Neil S, the camera thought you were a truck which has a 90kph limit.
I’ve been flashed loads of times on autoroutes and never heard anything.

Richard
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The Ex-Gasman said:
In France
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Blimey and I've just spent a fortune at SpecSavers, saw A5 brain thought UK. :D

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PeteH said:
I would seriously DOUBT the DVLA could get anything right. The makers Plate is the deciding factor.
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Yes but the manufacturer won't pay your defence
Obviously you've had a problem with the DVLA whereas I've never had a problem with them. They've always been spot on with me. I know lots have had problems but in my case, I haven't. I may in years to come and especially if I have health issues but certainly in my dealings, they've been totally efficient.
 
If you have a Critair sticker the French already know the 3500 kg MTPLM on your V5.

I was flashed too. No brown envelope so far.
 
The Wino said:
I think the same as the others nothing to worry about.......but the lower limit in France is if loaded over 3500 gross not 3050 unladen as in the uk. There is a vanishingly small chance there are weight sensors on the road and you were over 3500 laden
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Speed limits in France,and throughout the rest of Europe, are based on the MAM of a vehicle not the actual weight so it makes no difference to the speed limit if the vehicle is 'loaded over' 3.5t.

Weight sensors would make no difference to this but would of course bring in the possibility of a prosecution for overloading.

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SpeedyDux said:
If you have a Critair sticker the French already know the 3500 kg MTPLM on your V5.

I was flashed too. No brown envelope so far.
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Mine took 6 months to arrive,,BUSBY..
 
EX51SSS said:
Yes but the manufacturer won't pay your defence
Obviously you've had a problem with the DVLA whereas I've never had a problem with them. They've always been spot on with me. I know lots have had problems but in my case, I haven't. I may in years to come and especially if I have health issues but certainly in my dealings, they've been totally efficient.
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Sadly Unlike your goodself. my dealings with the "Cardiff home for the bewildered", has always been long drawn out and frustrating, eg. recent Update of existing C1 entitlement (Mandatory, and IMV AGEIST) for the second time, takes them 5 MONTHS to get right!. Not that I cared anyway, I just exploited the Rule 88 or whatever, and drove regardless in the FULL knowledge I was completely FIT!. And that is not the first time this Department of procrastination has behaved as if the English Language is alien to them!. As for the manufacturer paying for my defence, why should they?? (need to). Law says under 3040kg = 70mph. over is 60 MPH the plate says (in my case) 3500kg. So I stick to 60 or below on UK roads where permitted. What is not to understand?.
 
The Wino said:
Yes but as I say in France I think the plate makes no difference its the max permitted weight being less than 3500 that determines the legal limit which I think makes more sense.

Think about it there must be some m/h less than 3050 unladen which in the UK could be up-plated what limit applies then on dual carriageways?. I don't know if its 70 as they are less than 3050 unladen or 60 as the vehicle class has now changed to PHG.

If there are 2 coachbuilts both on the same base how can it be safer to have more stuff carried in a lighter (possibly weaker) body that weighs 2800kg unladen than less stuff in one that wieghs 3100kg unladen assuming they are both 3500 all up?

Then again who says the law has to make sense!
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This is the sort of thing that frustrates (I think) most people. Lack of clarity, It is well past time that a separate category should exist for "Motorhomes". And in my view should be a total mass of (say) 4Tonne. capable of being driven on B1/B1-E licence. If you check the makers sites, most motorhomes are on Chassis and (often) running gear that is "downrated", Therefore the existing production facilities could be changed almost overnight.

I have been told, that part of the reason ( accross the EU) is solely to accommodate the FRENCH domestic laws?.
 
PeteH said:
This is the sort of thing that frustrates (I think) most people. Lack of clarity, It is well past time that a separate category should exist for "Motorhomes". And in my view should be a total mass of (say) 4Tonne. capable of being driven on B1/B1-E licence. If you check the makers sites, most motorhomes are on Chassis and (often) running gear that is "downrated", Therefore the existing production facilities could be changed almost overnight.

I have been told, that part of the reason ( accross the EU) is solely to accommodate the FRENCH domestic laws?.
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I can see from a motorhome owners point of view thats a nice idea but the existing limit seems to me perfectly logical but inconvenient if you are a motorhomer!. Imagine the press the first time there was an accident involving a 70+ year old driving a just under 4t motorhome killing someone when they were known to have a medical condition preventing them from driving the same vehicle if not a motorhome why would any politician risk that publicity?

As for it being French domestic law preventing it do you have any evidence? Sounds odd to me the country many see as being way more motorhome friendly than ours being anti ! I bet its like the "they are targetng uk drivers for speeding " threads a bit of daily fail type propoganda
 
What worries me about the OP, a Pilote owner with a similar vehicle to me, is why they were only driving at 62 mph ?

Motorways in France cost a great deal and should only be used when wanting to get from A to B in a hurry.

So why the slow speed ?

Motorhomes can go up to 130 km/h (80 mph) or 110 km/h (68 mph) if raining on Motorways and if you want to dawdle along you might as well use D roads and save quite a bit of cash while admiring towns, villages and the French countryside.

As to the speeding flash – we get flashed almost every time we go over there but because we keep within the many speed limits we've not been fined despite driving in France for many years.

By the way, not a lot of people know this - but Troyes is 'twinned' with Chesterfield (Derbyshire) and both are well worth a visit (Advert over !).

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The Wino said:
I can see from a motorhome owners point of view thats a nice idea but the existing limit seems to me perfectly logical but inconvenient if you are a motorhomer!. Imagine the press the first time there was an accident involving a 70+ year old driving a just under 4t motorhome killing someone when they were known to have a medical condition preventing them from driving the same vehicle if not a motorhome why would any politician risk that publicity?

As for it being French domestic law preventing it do you have any evidence? Sounds odd to me the country many see as being way more motorhome friendly than ours being anti ! I bet its like the "they are targetng uk drivers for speeding " threads a bit of daily fail type propoganda
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It was explained to me thus:- For some reason French taxation allegedly increases exponentially over a certain weight limit?. Wether or not this is actually true I have no Knowledge.

Why Should there be a "Cut Off" at 70?. After all in the eyes of the current Government, for pension/retirement purposes 70 is the "new" 65. All are therefore still competent to WORK but not to continue to drive anything Heavier than 3.5t. IF that is not AGEIST?. There are those who are unfit medically to drive ANY vehicle in far younger age groups. Any level playing field would require that EVERYONE took a medical (at their expense, as I have to ONLY because of age, not unfitness) every (say) 5 years regardless of age!. You have only to observe the huge numbers of clinically obese YOUNG, to realise that many are already walking (sitting) heart attacks and just as capable, possibly more so, of decimating a crowd having had a coronary at the wheel of a large vehicle.
 
PeteH said:
It was explained to me thus:- For some reason French taxation allegedly increases exponentially over a certain weight limit?. Wether or not this is actually true I have no Knowledge.

Why Should there be a "Cut Off" at 70?. After all in the eyes of the current Government, for pension/retirement purposes 70 is the "new" 65. All are therefore still competent to WORK but not to continue to drive anything Heavier than 3.5t. IF that is not AGEIST?. There are those who are unfit medically to drive ANY vehicle in far younger age groups. Any level playing field would require that EVERYONE took a medical (at their expense, as I have to ONLY because of age, not unfitness) every (say) 5 years regardless of age!. You have only to observe the huge numbers of clinically obese YOUNG, to realise that many are already walking (sitting) heart attacks and just as capable, possibly more so, of decimating a crowd having had a coronary at the wheel of a large vehicle.
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I wouldn't have a problem with that. I'm fact, I've been having a full medical and eyesight test every 5 years from 45 and now yearly over 65. That is a full medical and eyesight test. I totally agree that ANY driver of ANY vehicle should have a medical every 5 years irrespective of age and if found to be unfit or incapable of driving then their licence suspended or revoked.
 
EX51SSS said:
I wouldn't have a problem with that. I'm fact, I've been having a full medical and eyesight test every 5 years from 45 and now yearly over 65. That is a full medical and eyesight test. I totally agree that ANY driver of ANY vehicle should have a medical every 5 years irrespective of age and if found to be unfit or incapable of driving then their licence suspended or revoked.
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As did I. But that was for an LGV where I could potentially be behind the wheel of 50tonne. There is SO little difference between a 3.5t B1 Qualifying Motorhome and a 3.8t Motorhome, that IMV the Need for an arbitrary cut off at 70 is pure AGEISM.
 
PeteH said:
As did I. But that was for an LGV where I could potentially be behind the wheel of 50tonne. There is SO little difference between a 3.5t B1 Qualifying Motorhome and a 3.8t Motorhome, that IMV the Need for an arbitrary cut off at 70 is pure AGEISM.
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Correct and a car can kill and maim driven by unfit or bad drivers
 
PeteH said:
Sadly Unlike your goodself. my dealings with the "Cardiff home for the bewildered", has always been long drawn out and frustrating, eg. recent Update of existing C1 entitlement (Mandatory, and IMV AGEIST) for the second time, takes them 5 MONTHS to get right!. Not that I cared anyway, I just exploited the Rule 88 or whatever, and drove regardless in the FULL knowledge I was completely FIT!.
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It’s possible that the reason for the delay is that the DVLA is in Swansea. ?

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PeteH said:
As did I. But that was for an LGV where I could potentially be behind the wheel of 50tonne. There is SO little difference between a 3.5t B1 Qualifying Motorhome and a 3.8t Motorhome, that IMV the Need for an arbitrary cut off at 70 is pure AGEISM.
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But you could argue it is equally ageism to restrict youngsters to 3.5t when they pass a driving test when us oldies get the extra groups added free up to the age of 70 so the older generation gain loads of years and never have to do an extra test!

It matters little anyway whats in it for a politician to alter the rules?
 
EX51SSS said:
I wouldn't have a problem with that. I'm fact, I've been having a full medical and eyesight test every 5 years from 45 and now yearly over 65. That is a full medical and eyesight test. I totally agree that ANY driver of ANY vehicle should have a medical every 5 years irrespective of age and if found to be unfit or incapable of driving then their licence suspended or revoked.
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The medical requirement regardless off age makes perfect sense to me every 5 years is not onerous but i think there should also be retesting, if they were to make a compulsory refresher course every 5 or even 10 years that would get some of the truly appalling drivers off the road.

The other benefit is that they could teach them how to join and leave a major road properly as that seems to be a glaring omission in the current arrangements.
 
jongood said:
The medical requirement regardless off age makes perfect sense to me every 5 years is not onerous but i think there should also be retesting, if they were to make a compulsory refresher course every 5 or even 10 years that would get some of the truly appalling drivers off the road.

The other benefit is that they could teach them how to join and leave a major road properly as that seems to be a glaring omission in the current arrangements.
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Unfortunately it's not only the use of motorway slip roads as that gap can be filled by accessing major arterial Ross, dual carriageways etc and how would people from East England or Wales or the South West go on where there are no motorways?
No, unfortunately, its attitude and no consideration added that they think they are the best drivers around and older should be off the road.
 
PeteH
My own horror story with the DVLA was on renewing my licence, aged 70.

I stressed, in an enclosed letter, that I needed to retain my motorcycle entitlement as I had heard that some people had had it removed without their knowledge.

A week later I received a letter saying that they couldn’t renew my licence at all as I hadn’t enclosed my existing one.

Fortunately I had photographed my envelope, application and licence etc prior to sending it. I had also posted everything recorded delivery and photocopied my old licence before sending it.

When I rang them and told them the above they didn’t even ask me to send them the proof. They simply issued the new licence.

Cardiff or Swansea, their service is below par.

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